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#329849
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Stepping forward to take a spanking, I apologize for not getting the necessary adr done.  Everyone I thought I could count on has put me off so I put you off.  I continue to believe I can do it and soon.  I will get it to whoever needs it.

 

Trooperman, you are someone I really admire for the way you handled this entire project.  I am certain you are going to get everything you want out of college and beyond.  STAY IN TOUCH!

 

Compliments to PaulisDead2221 for stepping forward this way. 

Long Live Trooperman!

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#328382
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Unholy Edition (Released)
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Empire didn't contradict Star Wars?  What fan edit are you watching?

 

The opening crawl establishes by way of an omniscient narrator that destroying the Death Star will restore freedom to the Galaxy... except Empire proves that was a lie. 

 

Luke's father was a great Jedi and cunning warrior who was betrayed and murdered by Obi Wan's apprentice Darth Vader... except Empire proves that Obi Wan is a liar and Luke's father is Darth Vader.

 

Thus begins the path down which even the sub-title "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker" is proven to be a lie since Star Wars was really only Episode IV in the fall and rise Anakin Skywalker.

 

There is nothing about Empire that is "unavoidable" from what came in Star Wars.  In order to be true to what was in Star Wars, most of Empire would be impossible.  Only by retroactively undoing things and making Obi Wan into a liar is Empire possible. 

And even as great as Empire is, it doesn't END-- but that's another issue.

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#327780
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Unholy Edition (Released)
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Reading my posts, I hope I was civil.  I think it's good to hear more about where you're coming from to better understand your review, Negative1. Thanks.

I am definitely of the opinion that the first movies (Star Wars and ROTLA) got it right. Period.  And anything that comes along later and contradicts it is sub-par work.  Even as much as I enjoy Empire Strikes Back, I can't give it my whole heart because it fundamentally contradicts Star Wars (plus it doesn't even end).  So I am an eager fan-edit devotee when someone comes along with my bias.

 

The unholy edition of TLC is definitely for fans of ROTLA who want more of that flavor.

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#327733
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Unholy Edition (Released)
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You and I look at film completely differently.  You see deep structural differences as inconsequential and superficial surface similarities as totally over-riding.  But one of the buy-ins to the Indy series is that it's James Bond with an archaeologist.  So he's going to go after religious artifacts the way Bond goes after world-threatening mcguffins.  That's where Lucas and Spielberg started, but it's a non-starter for you.  Did you really think Infodroid was going to change that? 

The changes you like in TOD are why that movie didn't feel like Indy at all to me.  Replacing the Nazis with Thugees (or whatever) was fine, but nobody makes better bad-guys than Nazis.  But the real problem is at the deep structural level-- TOD has a man who was a skeptic about magic in ROTLA taking an earlier adventure where he uses magic like a superpower to save the day?  The professor from ROTLA is nowhere to be found.  Instead we have a womanizing, tuxedo wearing tough-guy who seriously says he "spares" people's lives.  There are no Indy elements in TOD except the hat and the whip. 

TLC is far from perfect, but at least the character resembles the guy from ROTLA.  Instead of jettisoning the character, it expands upon him by doing the father story. 

You seem to want the guy who discovers the actual ark of the covenant and sees it work to then forget about it and pursue non-religious artifacts?  Is that a likely development?  Would you?  TLC is a natural follow up to the story of the Ark. 

Crystal Skulls and Shankara stones, on the other hand, contradict the very clearly Old-Testament universe that ROTLA is set in.

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#327706
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Unholy Edition (Released)
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Not a big James Bond fan, I take it.

 

You left out that they were both shot on film and released by Paramount.  By your list, the only way a sequel wouldn't be too much like ROTLA is if Indiana didn't go after artifiacts and fights badguys who try to take them from him and meet beautiful girls in exotic locations.  You actually thought Indy fighting fez wearing grail protectors on speedboats was a rehash of Indy fighting the Nazi hired thugs in Marion's bar? 

 

The fact is ROTLA is the story of a skeptic learning to face real magic while TLC is the story of a man healing his long hurtful rift with his father.  Yeah, they both have nazis, fights, artifacts and pretty girls, but so does Schindler's List.  For TLC to have so many Indy trademarks worked into a completely different story is an accomplishment, not a cop-out.  Sorry you don't see it that way.

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#327644
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Unholy Edition (Released)
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Yeah, it's totally a clone of the first movie-- funny how I never noticed before, what with the intro of Indy's childhood and domineering father, and then the duplicitous love-interest girl archeologist who works for the nazis, the way Indy never doubts the grail is real or magic-- it's a virtual shot-for-shot remake.

 

What movie did you watch, Negative1?  Aside from the presence of Nazis, there isn't one thing in Last Crusade that's the same as Raiders.  That's why I didn't like it (until Infodroid dialed down the dumb by several factors with this edit).

Of course you're free to not like the edit, but I don't know how you could have read Infodroid's description of his changes and expected something totally different.  I wish your criticisms at least made sense.

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#327193
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Unholy Edition (Released)
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I LOVE this edit.  This is a case of a movie that suits this kind of treatment.  The original is okay to pretty good.  It pales compared to the original, but it has the saving grace of an interesting new character played by Sean Connery. 

But now it follows in Raiders' footsteps so much better.  Without so many half-assed jokes and self-referencing nudges, the story actually works.  The small changes are my favorites-- eliminating the "Dad hates rats" line for example.  Now it seems like smart screenwriting when we get to Connery and see that he hates rats-- it's a little joke now as it should have been.

 

Indy remains cool throughout.  He's almost as cold and determined as he was in the original.  It's just so damn much better. 

 

Great work.

The only quibble I have is that I don't understand why the college students are busting down Indy's door for office hours.  Is he a celebrity now?  That never made sense to me and it sure contradicts the low enthusiasm his students show in Raiders. 

But without the River Phoenix opening, this didn't bother me as much.  Great choices everywhere. It was really cool to see the credits over that opening fight-- it was not the same mood as Raiders, but it really seems to suit this movie.  Again, thanks and good job.

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#324179
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Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom: The InfoDroid Edit (Released)
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Yes, I'm back to give you props! Nice to say hello again!

What can you tell us about your Crusade plans?

 

I have to admit that over time, Crusade has fallen far behind the other sequels in my opinion files. Except for the opening, it feels even less like Raiders than ToD did (especially the new InfoDroid ToD!).

 

Celebrity professor Jones; impersonating Scottsmen... I don't know. What can be done? Cut all that stuff out, I guess. Are you giving any hints? I am eager to see what you do considering the magic you done so far.

 

Keep up the great work!

 

P.S. THANK YOU to Sluggo for the disc.  I feel I owe you one.  Did you read that Darabont script yet?

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#323986
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Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom: The InfoDroid Edit (Released)
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Infodroid!

LOVE this edit.  The opening is brilliant and feels like the sequel I had always hoped it would be (as a boy, that is).

 

Got thrown by the flashback at first, but considering what you're working with...

 

I really wish we could do without the whole airplane sequence where the pilots can't think of any way to kill Indy except to parachute out. Then Indy escapes with the brilliant plan of using an inflatable raft.  "I BELIEVE that sh*t -- because he braced himself!"

 

But all your other cuts are so spot on.  The last bugger for me is that this is a prequel to Raiders, yet Indy uses magic words to free the rocks; he sees how the magic rock restores the village-- so he knows supernatural stuff happens-- so why is he so totally skeptical in Raiders? 

 

Nothing you could do, naturally-- so you made the movie as good as I can imagine it getting.  Cutting the "heart-ripper" scenes was a surprisingly good idea in my mind.  But the opening was your coup-de-gras.  GREAT WORK!

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#282720
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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Yes, because Padme was in labor for just that long. No wonder she lost the will to live.

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Yes, because Padme went into labor the moment Palpatine found Anakin.

Like I said, I don't recall what established the time. As I recall there's a wipe to the locatoins where Anakin and Padme are taken. Then we see each of them laid out on tables. Then some more cutting and things change-- including Padme going from definitely NOT in labor to being in labor.

I can only say that for me, the problems with the PT lay in much deeper things than this. I enjoyed ROTS because it actually told a story-- however much it fails to connect with the OT. That boat sailed for me when ROTJ came out and sucked.
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#282711
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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The whole idea for George Lucas' sci-fi fantasy was a "used" future where people drove space ships like we drive cars. That's what Star Wars was the first day it opened and has been every day since. Driving to Alderaan was no more difficult than driving to the store (except for the Star Destroyers trying to blast Han to pieces).

If a rag-tag bunch of rebels can have medical ships equipped with spare hands, then what do you suppose the Emperor of the Republic might have available to him? Did you think Anakin was healed aboard Palpatine's transport?

If you want it to take months for Vader to be healed, that's fine. It's not established as the way things would happen. In fact, I don't recall what is shown to establish how long the restoration of Anakin's body took. Maybe it did take months.

If everything made sense in the OT, then perhaps you can tell me what Luke's plan was for getting Han out of Jabba's palace. "Okay, first Lando goes in and becomes one of Jabba's guards-- but DON'T kill him! Then I'll send the droids in as gifts. Next have Leia take Chewie in as a prisoner (I know Jabba won't kill him, I think). Then have Leia get caught. That's when I'll show up-- let myself get caught and taken to the Sarlaac pit where finally R2 (who will be a waiter by then) can spring into action and send me my light-saber!" "Brilliant!"
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#282674
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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The birth of Vader felt like a rushed CG fest to me. It is like Palps had an instant Vader maker lying around for just such an occasion. Throw in the half dead, charred body of a fallen comrade and presto! Out pops your very own Sith Lord! I just didn't like how he spends a few minutes on the table as a bunch of droids throw artificial appendages on him, and slip a leather suit right onto his freshly burnt and still melty skin. Then he stands up and everything is fine. I would have imagined months of rebuilding with some of the republics finest physicians.


Ha! This made me laugh. Yeah, it is kinda implausible, and the scene is probably meant to represent the passage of a LOT of time. Unfortunately, George got to the last half of Episode III and suddenly realized he still had to set up a whole bunch of stuff for the OT.

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I've got problems with how Episode III leads into the OT-- but "implausible medicine" isn't one of them. The Sith Lord isn't the prosthetic suit-- it's the man inside. Where did you get the "months of rebuilding" idea? Jedi Med School? Luke got a new hand like they had one waiting on the shelf for him. The way it's established in the movies-- their medicine either fixes people in a few minutes --or can't work at all. These guys fly from one star to the next as easily as we drive to the market. The one constant in Star Wars is that their technology is way beyond ours.

So, yeah-- it would be as easy as slapping some legs and arms on the body, making sure it can breathe, and then waking the poor bastard up. It could've been done nicer, but Palpatine is sadistic. "You killed your wife, dude." "No-o-o-o!"
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#282626
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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If Trooperman has his way, the whole "Master Annie" issue with 3P0 will be moot-- because Anakin won't have ever met 3P0 before.

But that's a tough one to pull off-- so if he has to keep the whole "Anakin built 3P0" backstory from Phantom Menace, it would be a good idea to change "Anni" to "Anakin."

...And to reduce a lot of the mugging and weirdness from that reunion scene. Anakin should be walking across Tatooine like a gunfighter with revenge on his mind-- but he comes off pretty slack in AOTC.

Anyone got ideas for nailing that scene?
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#265712
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Infodroid: In any case, it was dumb, and TM is right for cutting it out completely.

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I totally agree, and to me the humor of "in that case, be extra careful [because he is a she]" feels like the kind of topical humor that was in the OT ("One thing's for sure, we're all gonna be a lot thinner!") and is almost totally missing in the PT.

I think the new performance in the Cantina is a total success. I'm impressed that you feel up for this, TM-- seeing how late in the game this is. Your dedication is just another reason this edit is going to have such a prized position on my shelf. I was prepared to "adjust" myself to whatever level of blending-in you were able to get with the dubbed voices. This new performance is going to help a lot.

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#264956
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Trooperman has always made it clear he wants to hear all opinions and criticisms. I always keep in mind that he's doing a mountain of work and that it's a massive task to make a dubbed voice fit in with a production mix -- AND a very discouraging task as well. So it might do some good to always mix honey in with the vinegar so to speak.

Trooperman's limited resources have kept him from getting an actor to do all his dubbing-- but he has been using his own voice for Anakin. He says it's naturally that deep-- not "put on."

I wonder, Laserman, have you ever found techniques that help you "deal" with voice acting that you are "forced" to use? In other words, Trooperman is using the voice you heard and object to-- but do you have advice for making that track blend in with the others? (I'm not a mixer, so I may be using terms all wrong-- but I hope you get what I'm asking).
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#264231
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Info Wanted: Is anyone doing a "Virtual" Lost Cut?
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Sluggo has elements for creating the original crawl and Trooperman has found what may have been the original temp music.

I love the sound of this project-- eliminating effects is an interesting twist.

I think "aging" all the footage might not be necessary-- because work-print tends to be damaged in portions-- not all the way through. So the original "lost cut" would have had scenes that were dirty and scratched as well as scenes that were clean and new.

It would take some research to figure out what dogfight material to use for the space battles. Is there any resource for seeing what was used?
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#263301
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Idea: The 1976 crawl
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Thank you Throwaway! Very kind-- and happy New Year to you, and Sluggo too!

This is a great idea-- I didn't know these elements existed. I wish I could be the guy to do it, but it's just too big for me. I'll see if I can dig someone up.

This would be the perfect way to open a "rough-cut" fan edit --which is another great idea.