Lord Haseo

Disregard

DuracellEnergizer said:

I just now realized that’s a photo of Felicity Jones. Damn, she’s unrecognizable* with her hair down and wet.

*Not to mention sultry.

Not to me. I saw this photo randomly with her name being nowhere close to the photo and I instantly recognized her. Her lips give it away.

Sophie Turner

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

Another great point. The most important impact he had on the film is the transferring of information to the audience that Jyn was abandoned by him because people we’re starting to piece together who she really was. Other than that and the “Save The Rebellion…Save the dream” line he is completely useless just like Lor San Tekka in TFA.

Except Saw is made out to be a very important character in the film. Tekka is just an old ally with the map who sets thing in action at the start - no need to be anything more.

They both could have been much much more. I expected much more out of them. That’s the point of the comparison.

You can say in Lor San Tekka’s case it’s due to Max Von Sydow being in the film but still…

Another great point. The most important impact he had on the film is the transferring of information to the audience that Jyn was abandoned by him because people we’re starting to piece together who she really was. Other than that and the “Save The Rebellion…Save the dream” line he is completely useless just like Lor San Tekka in TFA.

suspiciouscoffee said:

I won’t rank R1 against the saga films, because it’s basically an EU story; not because of the canon/legends, but because of the purpose the story serves. It’s a very good EU story, I think, but ranking it against the saga would be like ranking the Zahn Thrawn Trilogy against the OT.

I think you can do that. I think of them as just think of them as stories and it makes them easier to compare.

If I had to include everything most of the OT and TFA would not be in the Top 5.

Ronster said:

Lord Haseo said:

ben_danger said:

I felt the characters were sufficiently developed for their various purposes within the movie. We spend as much time with them as we do LUKE/LEIA/HAN in ANH.

What exactly do we learn about Chirrut Îmwe, Baze and Bodhi Rook other than the templates for their characters? Not much…Can’t say the same for Luke, Han, Leia, Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren.

Why do people insist on asking questions like this?

What do you learn about Luke Skywalker?

Are you serious? Luke Skywalker is a farm boy who hates his existence mostly due to the fact that a lot of his friends have gone on to join the Rebellion. He wants a better life but of course is tied to the moisture farm which indicates that Luke is fiercely loyal. I mean I can keep on going but do I really need to?

Not much but you go on a journey with him that is about it and he has 3 films as the main character. If you were expecting a historical epic about someone you will not find it in Star Wars films.

You must not be watching the same films I do.

ben_danger said:

Lord Haseo said:

ben_danger said:

I felt the characters were sufficiently developed for their various purposes within the movie. We spend as much time with them as we do LUKE/LEIA/HAN in ANH.

What exactly do we learn about Chirrut Îmwe, Baze and Bodhi Rook other than the templates for their characters? Not much…Can’t say the same for Luke, Han, Leia, Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren.

What do we learn about Chewbacca and R2D2 in ANH? We don’t need to have some sort of comprehensive emotional arc for each character necessarily.

If Chewie and R2 were “normal” characters your comparison would be solid but there is a language barrier that stops characters like that from being developed properly. A better comparison would be Lando but even he in ESB has more going on under the hood than both Baze and Chirrut.

Bodhi is constantly terrified - but then does something brave and feels fulfilled - almost like a watered down Han I guess (selfish - selfless).

More like a watered down Finn. Han is motivated by pure selfishness while Finn and Bodhi are motivated by fear.

ben_danger said:

I felt the characters were sufficiently developed for their various purposes within the movie. We spend as much time with them as we do LUKE/LEIA/HAN in ANH.

What exactly do we learn about Chirrut Îmwe, Baze and Bodhi Rook other than the templates for their characters? Not much…Can’t say the same for Luke, Han, Leia, Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren.

DominicCobb said:

Character development =/= backstory.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think they needed to develop every single character. I just wish at least a few were more focused. It’s tricky when you have so many characters with so many different elements. The Krennic/Erso friend/foe dynamic hinted at but that never goes anywhere. The Saw Gerrera/terrorist aspect of the Rebellion of which is clearly there but otherwise completely unexplored. Jyn’s on-again, off-again rebellion and risking everything for the greater good (and how that relates to Galen) which is there but basically brushed over. The Cassian conflict which is very solid but doesn’t have any sort of meaningful resolution in regards to the moral dilemma of a violent Rebellion. Bodhi Rook and his connection to Galen/why he defected. Chirrut and Baze and anything about their religion/trust in the Force beyond what we can assume based on prior knowledge of the concept. These are all interesting things but far too unexplored. Some scenario in which many arcs are tied together with some thematic coherence would have been best route.

I do too think the film could have been longer. Team based war films often reach near 2 and a half hours and this had the leeway to do so as a standalone.

Exactly. Character wise this film is indicative of the PT in that the characters and their interactions could have been so much better if a couple of things had been different. Though I like that Rogue One sets up other films to have characters do morally ambiguous things as that’s something the films have been needing for a long time. I just hope the rest of the ST can do it better.

luckydube56 said:
As for killing off Han, I guess you could say it was a risk. Every risk has a downside and they got the downside of it due to execution. K2SOs death is much more meaningful.

We don’t know what the fate of Kylo Ren will be. You’re being premature.

Even then Cassian had more going for him in terms of “depth”. I can appreciate that a little more.

mapet318 said:
TESB
ANH
RO
TFA
RotJ
RotS
TPM
AotC

Switch TFA and RO and that is literally my order.

I’m glad to see this movie isn’t as divisive as TFA was. I mean when was the last time Star Wars fans agreed on something that didn’t involve a film sucking?

EDIT:

TV’s Frink said:

Every time I see someone complain about how safe TFA was, and then I think of all the shit Disney got for a female lead, a black co-lead, and a Hispanic co-co-lead, when I think of the film killing off Han, when I think of the way the film tore up the ending of Jedi and tore up Han and Leia’s relationship (both in good, realistic ways), the way that Luke didn’t appear until the last scene…I have to laugh my ass off at that person.

Also let’s not forget that they purposefully made Kylo Ren a villain in training. That clearly didn’t make everyone happy.

meep

Bobo Jameson said:

Tyrphanax said:

Much as I vehemently disagree with Mala’s often-repeated opinion on the post-Disney Star Wars films, I honestly don’t think he’s a troll asshole (he’s just wrong =P ). I just think he doesn’t like the movies. A shame, but definitely his right to do so.

It’s a shame you’ll probably be banned soon because you seem to be generally an okay guy, Bobo.

Well you have to admit that giving Rogue One a 0 out of 10 is just a little ridiculous. He goes on to say that Hacksaw Ridge is better. Two different movies, one is about fun with a little social commentary in it like how the good guys aren’t always saints without any blood on their hands and the other is a serious movie about a real-life war. His comparison of the two movies is laughable.

No, this is more or less the same behavior he has exhibited throughout the duration of his time posting here. He has small pockets of times in which he posts and is tolerable but these don’t last too long.

Tyrphanax said:

Lord Haseo said:

MalàStrana said:
I wonder what you will really think of it in a few years when the hype is down, when you’re older…

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. STAR WARS
3. The Force Awakens
4. Rogue One
5. Return of The Jedi
6. Revenge of The Sith
7. The Phantom Menace
8. Attack of The Clones

I can’t believe I live in a world in which there are enough good Star Wars films that I can have ROTJ be 5TH on my list. That’s pretty mind blowing.

Swap ROTS with TPM and (maybe) SW with ESB and that’s my ranking and reaction exactly.

I saw a snippet of the whole “No, it’s because I’m so in love with you” scene and I’m starting to regret putting ROTS > TPM

darthrush said:
When it comes to comparing The Force Awakens and Rogue One, it comes down to the characters. Rogue One has superior action and a more original story but Force Awakens has such endearing characters. Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren are just amazing characters who I fell in love with and learned a surprisingly amount about (Rey and Finn, specifically). In Rogue One, I found Cassian and K2SO to be the only characters who could even compete with what Force Awakens gave me. I know a lot of people disliked Cassian, but I really appreciated his arc. Overall, I am VERY satisfied with what Disney has done so far. I will be there opening night for episode 8 with much excitement 😃

Nicely said man! I think they should have cut out Magic Stick Man and the other two lesser characters and just focused on Cassian, Jyn and K2S0. Not only would their dynamic be stronger it would also give these characters more time to be fleshed out. We could have walked away with a Jyn and Cassian that are as layered as Rey and Kylo. This is a sad turn of events because I want to like Rogue One a lot more than I do but I mostly watch Star Wars for the characters and that isn’t on point there is a threshold of enjoyment I can’t cross.

I thought Baze and Churrit were really compelling characters because of the implication of what they were. I think the grey areas of the Force are some of the most interesting aspects of the universe, so seeing guys who were basically non-Jedi Force-users was really cool.

I agree to a certain extent but I found them to be extremely one note and I found myself weary of them after only a short while. This could have been fixed however by giving them more distinguishable personality traits, motivations, inner strife etc. and we didn’t get that with these characters like we did with Jyn and Cassian.

But again, it was a Black Hawk Down and not a Saving Private Ryan type film, so character development wasn’t really the point of the exercise (as I said before, the main saga is about characters and how they effect the galaxy, whereas Rogue One is about the galaxy and how it affects the characters).

Just because it takes inspiration from these movies doesn’t mean it has to succumb to their weaknesses.

What they did do a fantastic job of was expanding the galaxy without shrinking it or doing anything over the top or stupid or badly. Everything they added felt like it had always been there, and that’s the true triumph of Rogue One as a cinematic addition to the Star Wars Galaxy in my mind.

I agree wholeheartedly. Best of all for me is that it renders the PT completely useless.

Vader

MalàStrana said:
I wonder what you will really think of it in a few years when the hype is down, when you’re older…

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. STAR WARS
3. The Force Awakens
4. Rogue One
5. Return of The Jedi
6. Revenge of The Sith
7. The Phantom Menace
8. Attack of The Clones

I can’t believe I live in a world in which there are enough good Star Wars films that I can have ROTJ be 5TH on my list. That’s pretty mind blowing.

Swap ROTS with TPM and (maybe) SW with ESB and that’s my ranking and reaction exactly.

I saw a snippet of the whole “No, it’s because I’m so in love with you” scene and I’m starting to regret putting ROTS > TPM

darthrush said:
When it comes to comparing The Force Awakens and Rogue One, it comes down to the characters. Rogue One has superior action and a more original story but Force Awakens has such endearing characters. Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren are just amazing characters who I fell in love with and learned a surprisingly amount about (Rey and Finn, specifically). In Rogue One, I found Cassian and K2SO to be the only characters who could even compete with what Force Awakens gave me. I know a lot of people disliked Cassian, but I really appreciated his arc. Overall, I am VERY satisfied with what Disney has done so far. I will be there opening night for episode 8 with much excitement 😃

Nicely said man! I think they should have cut out Magic Stick Man and the other two lesser characters and just focused on Cassian, Jyn and K2S0. Not only would their dynamic be stronger it would also give these characters more time to be fleshed out. We could have walked away with a Jyn and Cassian that are as layered as Rey and Kylo. This is a sad turn of events because I want to like Rogue One a lot more than I do but I mostly watch Star Wars for the characters and that isn’t on point there is a threshold of enjoyment I can’t cross.

I like the “Rebellions are built on hope” line. I just wish it wasn’t repeated but it makes sense that it was considering Jyn was trying to inspire people.

Red stabby things and I’m not talking about dog penises

Bobo Jameson said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

And, btw, I know EVERYONE is loving the Vader scene (as did I) but I’ll be the guy to throw a huge monkey wrench in the Vader-orgy going on:
With one force pull, he grabbed 5-6 blasters. Couldn’t he have done the exact same thing with the plans that the soldier was holding? One force pull and he’s got them. Done.

Continue…

You posted this crap on the Blu-ray.com forum. You just love to stir up shit don’t ya?

That’s all I have to say about that.

There are other things in Rogue One I would like to praise:

• I like the fact that there is text telling you what the planets are. Since this is a spin off we need stuff like this to differentiate it from the Saga films.

• They NAILED the look of this film

• I found myself kind of emotionally invested in the storyline with Jyn and her father in my second viewing. The hologram scene is amazing in my opinion.

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

Good:

• Top notch cinematography

• The plot and small things like the Cassian killing Galen thing

• Force abilties are only used in one scene

• Ties in perfectly with STAR WARS

• Fun and energetic (especially the 3rd act)

• Mostly amazing CGI

• Funnier than expected

• Vader was used sparringly and effectively (though this comes at a price)

• New and interesting ship and Trooper designs

• Felt like a war movie/grittier side of the Galactic Civil War

• Director Krennic was an interesting villain and got a very just death

Bad:

• 1st act was kind of disjointed

• Most of the Rogue One crew lack real depth

• CGI Leia and Tarkin

• Vader should have had Tarkin’s role

• Soundtrack is uninspired and hardly has any noteworthy moments

• The effects of the reshoots is very apparent as there are a few lines that were in the trailer but were not in the film. The most important one being Krennic calling the Death’s Star’s power immeasurable.

Well, this really is only a problem if you’re the kind of fan that follows a production from beginning to end, watching all the trailer, etc. like us. And I hardly see how this would effect the actual final film. Once RO stops being a new film, the re-shoots will only be an interesting piece of trivia.

I pretty much agree with all your other points though. I just though re-shoots was an odd thing to include on a pros and cons list.

Well it’s a pros and cons list; it’s supposed to have subjective things on it. I’m quite sure there are fans who watched the trailers and like the changes made to the film but I’m just not one of them.

Slaughtering the innocent,
Massacring the weak
Intimidate their fearful minds
Corrupt their structurered world
Afflict with terror, their lives suppressed
Consuming all their hopes
Expurgate their thoughts, oppressing all,
Nauseate with fright
Hollowed shells of living corpses
Pay homage to their art
Frail and weak, despondent souls,
Are prematurely dead…

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. STAR WARS
3. The Force Awakens
4. Rogue One
5. Return of The Jedi
6. Revenge of The Sith
7. The Phantom Menace
8. Attack of The Clones

I can’t believe I live in a world in which there are enough good Star Wars films that I can have ROTJ be 5TH on my list. That’s pretty mind blowing.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Lord Haseo said:

And just like that I’m sad. Thanks for that.

TFA wasn’t perfect but neither is RO. I’d argue the problems with RO are more glaring than TFA. And some, like this, you have to think about a little more.

That type of thinking can enable me to poke a million hopes in the OT as it suffers from that type of writing too. Even if those films didn’t have shit like that in them you’re overthinking it. It’s a chaotic encounter in a narrow, dark hallway. Vader was probably fixated on blast deflection and just trying to kill everyone instead of devoting useful mental resources to think about one Rebel.

And just like that I’m sad. Thanks for that.