Lord Haseo

Speaking of sad…

TV’s Frink said:

Han and Leia were great in TFA. I wonder how many people who were upset about their portrayal in TFA have kids, and if they understand how the things that your kids do (or have happen to them) can change you.

Exactly. Couples have been broken up with considerably less strain on the relationship.

I’m withholding judgement on Luke until I know exactly why he went into hiding.

I think everyone agrees the reasons are sound it’s just the possibility that he may be just sulking on Ahch-To that has a lot of people worried.

And LH, I knew you were talking about Yoda, but you easily could have been talking about Vader as well and you wouldn’t have been wrong.

You don’t even need to watch the OT to know that.

Ryan-SWI said:

Lord Haseo said:

I would say that diminishing one of the series’ greatest characters is worse than any type of fan service.

I assume you mean Darth Vader? That’s your opinion, not a fact.

I was talking about Yoda.

If you want to talk about diminishing a great character I’d love to know why Han Solo lost all his character progression from IV - VI, just so he could do it in a third of the time in VII for “new audiences.”

Never knew one’s occupation dictated behavior. Is there a version in which Han doesn’t help Finn and Rey when they mention Luke? If not I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Or maybe Luke, running away from his friends and family because he dun goofed. Gee that sounds like Luke.

Yes because Han didn’t mention Luke going to the first Jedi Temple.

Also Jango Fett is blatant fan service and created a disconnect with the OT that lead to Boba’s original voice being replaced.

Jango Fett is not the reason the voice actor was changed, Lucas going completely nuts at the editing station is why that happened.

Oh, I wasn’t aware that he dubbed the actors voices in post production. Prowse can revel in the fact he wasn’t the only one to receive such treatment.

Giving a character backstory is not blatant fan service in a saga of six films that link to each other.

It wasn’t necessary for Jango to be in the film as it could have been some other Bounty Hunter and Boba has a huge fanbase. Seems pretty open and shut to me.

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I honestly couldn’t care less what you think of any of the Star Wars films. I just want to know what the point of threads like this are if the mindset is that you share the opinion of others or get out.
Again, what is the point of posting the same list over and over again?

Because we have new films coming out and Disney is 2/2 from the field so far.

Ryan-SWI said:

Lord Haseo said:

That’s the same as me putting down fans of AOTC by saying:

“OMG Yoda with a LIGHTSABER and…LIGHTSABERS!!1!1!!”

Which like your previous statement has never been stated by anyone. Ever.

Well, no.

Blatant fan service over making the film stand on its own was never a problem with the prequels. There’s plenty you can think wrong of them, but that’s not one of them. There was fan service in the prequels, but the entire plot and everything that happened in the span of two hours did not try to make fanboys wet their pants because they recognise a reference to a film they’ve seen.

TFA on the other hand is often accused of being an OT greatest hits piece instead of its own film, because the entire plot and all the visuals of the film are literally lifted from a 40 year old movie.

I would say that diminishing one of the series’ greatest characters is worse than any type of fan service. Also Jango Fett is blatant fan service and created a disconnect with the OT that lead to Boba’s original voice being replaced.

That’s the same as me putting down fans of AOTC by saying:

“OMG Yoda with a LIGHTSABER and…LIGHTSABERS!!1!1!!”

Which like your previous statement has never been stated by anyone. Ever.

I haven’t seen anyone mention this but Josh Gad is a goddamn hero. I wonder if Daisy is as strong willed when she knows thw world isn’t gawking at her.

Ryan-SWI said:

Lord Haseo said:

Wrong. The only person who acts that way around here is Impscum. Please provide evidence of me, Frink, Dominic etc. saying our opinions are factual or anything like that.

It isn’t whether you say they are or not, it’s how you act towards any member who doesn’t like the same things you do.
And don’t hide behind the “I was just asking a question” nonsense, a passive aggressive remark like that is made any time anyone dares put one of the apparent “bad” films above one of the apparent “good” ones, and if they take the bait a three page argument ensues of about 3-4 people ragging on another over a movie.

Like I said if anything if anything I would have have said the movie is terrible, laughed at some of the stranger points he made (IRL most likely) and said “you’re entitled to your opinion” to end the conversation. I might have just said “Oh” to whatever he said but I never got the chance. But please continue with your tirade as this has obviously been weighing on you. I’m sure you have some soul shattering observation or some venomous diatribe to spew at me and I’m more than willing to read them if you promise to make them interesting.

I think TFA is garbage but I don’t have a meltdown anytime someone dares to say they like it, and challenge everyone who does. Some people like different things. Most people learned that in what, preschool

Who here is doing that? No one here is even getting mad at someone’s attitude toward TFA. The only time we’ve ever gotten mad at someone for expressing negative views about TFA is when Impscum and Mala are spamming. Factoring that in makes you look mad sensitive.

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imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan-SWI said:

• User does not post the “correct” list the hivemind deems acceptable to type

I personally never said you shouldn’t the PT in your list. I just don’t understand why anyone would have it anywhere but at the bottom of the list.

This is as stupid as not understanding why someone might like strawberry ice cream over chocolate ice cream. It is simply a matter of taste.

I don’t understand because I’m not that person. People’s taste buds and perceptions are sometime’s alien to others. One person’s sensible rationale could be seen as nonsense to another. There is too much complexity in people to see where everyone is coming from.

Ryan-SWI said:

• User does not post the “correct” list the hivemind deems acceptable to type

I personally never said you shouldn’t the PT in your list. I just don’t understand why anyone would have it anywhere but at the bottom of the list.

• User gets mocked for not posting the “correct” list

I didn’t even get the chance because I was preemptively attacked because I was trying to ascertain as to why he/she put AOTC over Rogue One

• User gets mocked for not posting the “correct” list by people who think TFA is the best thing since sliced bread

I think Stranger Things is the best thing since sliced bread. Try to keep up.

• Other users circlejerk in their obvious hilarity as they are clearly the only ones who know what makes a good film

Wrong. The only person who acts that way around here is Impscum. Please provide evidence of me, Frink, Dominic etc. saying our opinions are factual or anything like that.

The rest is not even worth going into

skywalkerfan101 said:

Hah! I bet I’m the only one in this thread who picked Return Of The Jedi over The Empire Strikes Back. Am I sorry for it? Absolutely not!

Goddamn right you shouldn’t. Just because I don’t understand why you feel that way doesn’t mean you shouldn’t hold this position or that it should even affect you.

Ryan-SWI said:

• User comes onto a thread for creating their own personal, subjective list
• User does not post the “correct” list the hivemind deems acceptable to type
• User gets mocked for not posting the “correct” list
• User gets mocked for not posting the “correct” list by people who think TFA is the best thing since sliced bread
• Other users circlejerk in their obvious hilarity as they are clearly the only ones who know what makes a good film
• Other users don’t see the irony of what they’re doing

And the cycle goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on…

HINT: Deluding and ignoring flaws of the new films just because “OMG Stormtroopers and the Millennium Falcon!!1!1!!” while ragging on people for having the “wrong”, “bad taste” or “ill-informed” opinions is the most hypocritical thing this site has been doing since the end of 2015. Who cares if he thinks AOTC is better, not every person who has a different opinion needs to be shat on because, shock horror, you probably have ‘unpopular’ opinions too.

Pretty much all of this is wrong but if you want to be mad at my bewilderment then by all means.

The tubes coming out of the Star Destroyer remind me of The Matrix for some reason.

You’re right. With VIII on the horizon there are more important things to talk about than me finding someone’s opinion confusing and humorous.

Also “times” is plural. Just because you didn’t do it this times doesn’t negate all of the times you’ve taken shots ay me for liking TFA.

You’ve done A2 tons of times so you can get the fuck out of my face with that hypocritical bullshit.

imperialscum said:

You did not mock the film. You mocked his liking.

Which is because of the quality of the film and not his tastes in general. Regardless of how he would have responded I would have called the film terrible and scoffed at the thought that AOTC could possibly be on par with Rogue One.

Also if this is a personal insult then you have insulted me dozens of times for liking TFA so practice what you preach.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

I can defend TFA

Defending bad film does not make it any less bad. You are just defending your liking of bad things, which is unnecessary since no one was attacking it.

So by that logic building a solid argument for or against any film is meaningless because the quality of the film is completely separate.

The ability to argue is insignificant next to the power of the truth.

Seems like the truth should be easier to vocalize.

In fact you were the one attacking the guy for liking AOTC.

There was no attacking; I was merely being inquisitive.

I don’t think so. It was clearly a mockery:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Lord Haseo said:

May I ask why you have AOTC so high and Rogue One so low?

It could be because they like AOTC more. Just a guess though.

That’s what I’m afraid of…

Against the movie sure but to him personally no. Plus other than you and Mala who I personally insult? Virtually no one as I only attack other people’s arguments.

Also this:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Lord Haseo said:

May I ask why you have AOTC so high and Rogue One so low?

It could be because they like AOTC more. Just a guess though.

That’s what I’m afraid of…

Nothing wrong with liking something bad. It is no different from you liking TFA despite that fact it is bad.

Isn’t attacking the film?

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

I can defend TFA

Defending bad film does not make it any less bad. You are just defending your liking of bad things, which is unnecessary since no one was attacking it.

So by that logic building a solid argument for or against any film is meaningless because the quality of the film is completely separate.

You would have to do all this if you could just form a solid argument. Just saying “rehash” isn’t good enough.

In fact you were the one attacking the guy for liking AOTC.

There was no attacking; I was merely being inquisitive.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Lord Haseo said:

May I ask why you have AOTC so high and Rogue One so low?

It could be because they like AOTC more. Just a guess though.

That’s what I’m afraid of…

Nothing wrong with liking something bad. It is no different from you liking TFA despite that fact it is bad.

The only bad thing I “like” is 21 Savage and my inability to defend him indicates why he’s bad. I can defend TFA for the most part though things like Starkiller Base and Leia not hugging Chewie are things no one can defend.

Ryan-SWI said:

Lord Haseo said:

May I ask why you have AOTC so high and Rogue One so low?

It could be because they like AOTC more. Just a guess though.

That’s what I’m afraid of…

John Wick Chapter 2: 8/10

Slightly stronger than the first this movie is another fun ride that finds a way to up the anti in terms of the action scenes. If you have nothing to do some time in the near future there are far worse ways you can spend your time.

Mithrandir said:

Lord Haseo said:
What? lol

Haha, my english betraying me. I meant that you got that part diametrically wrong. I was saying that Luke didn’t choose to go on his journey. And that Rey, by basically being involved willingly, set up the tone of the rest of the movie as an adventure tale.

Lord Haseo said:
Why do all heroes need to choose to go on their journey?

is pretty much my response to that though something I’d like to add is that at the end she could have gone back to Jakku if she really wanted to but she chose to go to Ahch-To.

Mithrandir said:
Well, Cassian has a personality as well. He’s an intelligence officer, his job is to have no-man’s personality. He only reveals his emotions when he knows his fate is sealed.

And that’s why I called him a standout character in a group filled with underwritten ones. It’s a shame that we can only talk about Cassian in depth. You can’t do that with any of the other characters which is why the characters fail me so much in Rogue One. I have to know who these characters are before I can invest my emotions into them. We knew plenty about Luke, Han, Leia and that in conjunction with their chemistry makes them fun and interesting characters. We didn’t even get any chemistry from the Rogue One crew. Finn and Rey along with the Finn/Poe bromance shared the same spirit of comradery that was present in the OT but was strangely absent in Rogue One. I would have been perfectly content had Rogue One done one of these things right but how these characters are written doesn’t grab me like the OT and TFA’s characters do. And having sub-par characters in a Star Wars movie is wayyy worse than any amount of rehashing in my opinion.

Why do all heroes need to choose to go on their journey?

You got this exactly around.

What? lol

Mithrandir said:

Lord Haseo said:
Cassian was interesting and we got to know about his backstory and how he views the Rebellions more questionable actions but I felt there could have been more to him or that his moral ambiguity was made a larger focal point. If we compare him to Rey however he seems underdeveloped in comparison as we know certain things about Rey’s backstory, we have seen a myriad of emotional states from her, we have seen actions that show us what type of person she is […]

We may not agree on character development

We’ve seen Rey intensively cry, laugh, be amused by her abilities, be afraid, run away…all in one movie. You call this character development, I just think it’s an emotional rollercoaster where she reacts generically the way she’s supposed to. And just by the sheer quantity of emotional responses she gives, all I can think of is in an unstable character that doesn’t know or understand anything (but then magically knows how to do everything).

She has more to her than that. She has aspirations outside of the main plot, she has demons, she has a well defined moral compass though I would say Cassian’s is definitely more defined. Rey even has small litlle personality traits like being modest by shrugging off her saving Finn as mere luck

She’s not even forced by the circumstances to leave Jakku, not at least in the same way Luke was by the death of his uncles.

Why do all heroes need to choose to go on their journey?

Cassian, instead, we don’t see him change much in Rogue One (except when he doesn’t shoot Galen Erso, and then joins Jyn to get to Eadu), but just one thing explains all you say it isn’t explained (where he comes from, what are his expectations, what kind of person he is and his emotional state) which is the brief, tense, open, non exhaustive scene inside the ship after the death or Jyn’s dad.

Why is it infinitely better than anything in TFA? Because it’s all based in Diego Luna’s acting, and in a dialogue in which it is more important what is implied and not said: Cassian lost his family in a war situation, war and loss is all he knows, and he is willing to die for a cause basically because he is left with nothing to live for.

Yes, I have completed the meaning of the scene and resignified the character with my interpretation, but that’s the whole point of a well (or at least, better) written movie and true character development , not just having the movie start with a character not liking chocolate and end it with it liking it. That’s just a cheap interpretation of Joseph Campbell’s cheap interpretation of (mainly) medieval cycles.

In the end, Cassian might be a little monolithic but reminds me of Javert in Les Miserables, where only in one point and just in one point, he confesses he comes from the drains of society as well, and suddenly all his actions and feelings including his overly rigid moral compass are explained.

And yes, it’s a reveal moment, only that not so overly emphasized and underlined; just human scale, totally relatable. It explains the guy and his motivations from a human point of view.

Was more actually needed?

Dominic covered this.

What? Peeped doesn’t mean “looked at”?

EDIT:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peep this

hmmm…

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

I think we can all agree Starkiller Base is the worst thing to come out of these films.

No, the worst thing that came out of these films were the people that use every thread to complain about them.

That would be true if I had real life implications in mind. I try to keep the two separate as it makes the films easier to evaluate.