Lord Haseo

Harrold Andraste said:

I don't know what that has to do with what I was talking about.

but their relevance is already over by the time the Exile even meets them

The galaxy was never in danger from her by the time KotOR 2 happens.

The way you phrased it made it seems like Kreia didn't do anything after she met The Exile. Also you said Kreia wasn't a threat to the galaxy when Kotor II happened even though that's when she was putting her plan into motion.

Harrold Andraste said:

The galaxy was never in danger from her by the time KotOR 2 happens. 

The three villains are retroactively meaningful, but their relevance is already over by the time the Exile even meets them. 

None of this is true...at least concerning Kreia it isn't. She mentors The Exile and helps him/her reestablish his/her connection with The Force. Without that none of the events in the game would have happened. Not only that she manipulated quite a few people into helping the exile. Without that The Exile would have certainly failed. Whether you destroy the remaining Jedi or save them they still die which only helps her cause. Lastly, knowing she didn't kill The Exile in the rebuilt Jedi enclave she knew he/she would come after her which would put him in the path of Atris, Nihilus and Sion. Kreia is like The Joker in The Dark Knight. She made moves and got the plot moving and was ultimately the center of everything. 

LexX said:

imperialscum said:

I would go for KOTOR1 easily. The story and characters feel more "Star Wars" like.

I prefer the setting and planets in KOTOR1 as well. They are much more visually beautiful and this a huge factor for me.

KOTOR2 has too many ridiculous concepts to my taste (ridiculously powerful villain, immortal villain, etc.).

I would however have much more trouble to pick a favourite between KOTOR1 and original SWTOR story-related content.

 I concur completely. The villain in KOTOR is to me the best since Vader, while in KOTOR II they villains are ridicilous. Also the sequel was so rushed that the ending came out of nowhere when I played it while the first one just became more and more epic and interesting until then end.

I didn't like Malak so much. I mean yeah he was pretty good at Dun Möch but the fact that he fired upon Revan's ship instead of taking the mantel of Dark Lord from him by way of combat made him a coward in my eyes. Also his motivation was generic. Malak wanted to take over the Galaxy while Kreia wanted to destroy The Force because of the dominion it had over all life. But I will say that Malak was a far better villain than Nihilus or Sion.

Frank your Majesty said:

Jar-Jar is behind it all. He's the Sith lord, Palpatine is just his puppet.

Are you implying Jar Jar might be Darth Plagueis? If so that would be one hell of a play. 

Kotor II with the TSLCRM 

Better gameplay

Slightly better graphics

Better OVERALL Story

And a great plot twist doesn't equate to a better story. Morality was used more efficiently and things didn't seem as Black and White as it did in the first game. Also Kreia had good character motivation while Malak's wasn't anything beyond lust for power. 

TV's Frink said:

While we're at it, let's put force ghost Jar-Jar in the movie.

 Jar-Jar isn't Force Sensitive. Nice try though. 

SilverWook said:

In spite of all the changes, the credits haven't been updated since 1997.

You'd think the ILM fellows responsible for pasting a Dug into Jabba's palace, or Wicket's demonic eyes would want some acknowledgement. ;)

I've never been so glad to have been wrong before. Still shouldn't have replaced him with Hayden though. Though I will admit the rape face is kind of poetic considering all of the terrible changes George made. 

SilverWook said:

When was Shaw's credit ever removed? He's still there when the mask comes off, even though his eyebrows aren't.

Even Clive Revill's name remains on ESB, and he's totally gone .

Could have sworn I heard that in the HelloGreedo ROTJ changes video. I could be wrong though seeing as how I haven't seen that video in years. Also I've never seen the SE or the BluRay versions of the OT. The clips I've seen of the changes were sufficient enough to scare me off. That being said I could still be wrong.

ray_afraid said:

I disagree, except for the ewoks.
I'm not trying to convince you or get you to join my side, just saying why I don't like it. And that's mostly because I hate the idea that Anikins ghost is Hayden and not Sebastian.

 I'm on your side now. Akton gave a killer argument for why it's a bad idea. 

And I think Disney will fix the SE and Bluray issues and give us the OUT when they get the rights from Fox. I don't see why they wouldn't knowing how much money it would make them. Also if they don't replace Hayden with Sebastian for whatever reason I hope they at least put his name in the Credits again. Now that shit was just disrespectful. 

Unless you can reach your hand through my monitor I would say that's out of your control. ;)

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

Akton said:

Swazzy said:

the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

Friends, try for a moment to envision the inevitable scene that will take place (if this rumor is true) involving a spectral Hayden Christensen speaking to (or about) Adam Driver, saying something along the lines of "don't go down that path I traveled all those years ago." Are you recoiling in horror? Good. That is the correct response.

I don't really see how this scene could be a bad thing. If the writing is good enough any bad idea can be made good. 

 Well, my hope is that they will try to make good ideas great instead of trying to make bad ideas good...

It's not really a bad idea to begin with. If Luke were to tell Kylo Ren about the dangers of the Darkside you people would have no problem with it. But because one strand from the prequels would be in the ST then suddenly the idea is shit. Let me ask...who would know most about how toxic the Darkside is? Anakin of course seeing as how he was engulfed in it for decades. I don't see any reasoning for that being a bad idea other than "its bad because prequels"

 It's bad because special edition.
And because prequels.
And because bad actor.
And, most of all, because lame.

The guy above you gave a much better argument. Also Ewoks were lame...Chewbacca being a giant dog-man was lame too. And I dare say that some of the dialogue in the OT was lame. Most egregious was "Into the garbage chute flyboy." Star Wars has always had some lame elements. 

Akton said:

Lord Haseo said:

It's not really a bad idea to begin with. If Luke were to tell Kylo Ren about the dangers of the Darkside you people would have no problem with it. But because one strand from the prequels would be in the ST then suddenly the idea is shit. Let me ask...who would know most about how toxic the Darkside is? Anakin of course seeing as how he was engulfed in it for decades. I don't see any reasoning for that being a bad idea other than "its bad because prequels"

 

Obi-Wan's ghost, apart from being an exposition delivery vehicle, was there to provide some bare minimum of guidance for Luke on his path to becoming a Jedi. Luke's final glance at the ghosts of his three "fathers" at the end of ROTJ is only meaningful if it is just that - a final glance - which the film strongly implies it is by showing Luke finally turning his back to them and rejoining the world of the living.

Luke emerged from the OT as a fully-formed Jedi. Having the Force Ghosts linger on into the ST would not only diminish his role as the elder mentor figure for the new characters, it would also diminish the very concept of death (at least for Jedi) in the saga. What meaning does Obi-Wan's sacrificial death have (or Anakin's for that matter) if they can just continue to appear in the films and interact with living characters, differing from their former living selves only in that they are a bit bluer and more translucent?

Anakin's story - his arc - is finished, I'd have thought that that was one thing PT haters and lovers could agree on. It falls to Luke to impart wisdom and warnings to the youngsters now - and, as hero of the OT (and the PT too if you consider that he is his father's redeemer), nobody has earned that duty more than him. To have him sit passively off to the side while the ghost of his young-looking father lectures the new villain about the evils of villainy would be all manner of lameness and shite, and we can only be grateful that it is so exceedingly unlikely to occur under the watchful eye of the ST's creative team. 

Well when you explain it like that it doesn't seem like such a good idea. Plus if they ever switch Sebastian back in ROTJ in another re-release it won't cause a continuity issue. But that's only if Anakin doesn't come back as a Force Spirit in the ST. 

Since, that's off the table there is another way that Hayden can make somewhat of an appearance. Perhaps Kylo Ren like Quinlan Vos has the power of Psychometry. He touches Vader's burnt mask and it shows Vader right after his defeat by Obi-Wan as he is distraught and engulfed by rage. This would show him the price Vader payed for aligning with the Darkside. 

Frank your Majesty said:

Lord Haseo said:

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

Akton said:

Swazzy said:

the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

Friends, try for a moment to envision the inevitable scene that will take place (if this rumor is true) involving a spectral Hayden Christensen speaking to (or about) Adam Driver, saying something along the lines of "don't go down that path I traveled all those years ago." Are you recoiling in horror? Good. That is the correct response.

I don't really see how this scene could be a bad thing. If the writing is good enough any bad idea can be made good. 

 Well, my hope is that they will try to make good ideas great instead of trying to make bad ideas good...

It's not really a bad idea to begin with. If Luke were to tell Kylo Ren about the dangers of the Darkside you people would have no problem with it. But because one strand from the prequels would be in the ST then suddenly the idea is shit. Let me ask...who would know most about how toxic the Darkside is? Anakin of course seeing as how he was engulfed in it for decades. I don't see any reasoning for that being a bad idea other than "its bad because prequels"

 It's a terrible idea that force ghosts are around for such a long time. When Yoda died, Luke was the last of the jedi, having eternal force ghosts would just take away from his importance as a Jedi master.

Obi-Wan showed up every now and again to give Luke little tidbits. Having Anakin talk to Kylo Ren for a brief amount of time would be the same thing. Plus, Obi-Wan showed up as a Force Ghost years after he died so I don't really see your gripe. 

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

Akton said:

Swazzy said:

the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

Friends, try for a moment to envision the inevitable scene that will take place (if this rumor is true) involving a spectral Hayden Christensen speaking to (or about) Adam Driver, saying something along the lines of "don't go down that path I traveled all those years ago." Are you recoiling in horror? Good. That is the correct response.

I don't really see how this scene could be a bad thing. If the writing is good enough any bad idea can be made good. 

 Well, my hope is that they will try to make good ideas great instead of trying to make bad ideas good...

It's not really a bad idea to begin with. If Luke were to tell Kylo Ren about the dangers of the Darkside you people would have no problem with it. But because one strand from the prequels would be in the ST then suddenly the idea is shit. Let me ask...who would know most about how toxic the Darkside is? Anakin of course seeing as how he was engulfed in it for decades. I don't see any reasoning for that being a bad idea other than "its bad because prequels"

Akton said:

Lord Haseo said:

I wouldn't mind seeing Hayden in the ST. All he would need is the right acting coach to get him in the good frame of mind for his scenes and secondly he needs good dialogue. People seem to forget only amazing actors give vastly greater performances than the actual writing allows. I mean even Samuel L. Jackson wasn't good in the PT and he's an overall great actor.

 

I've seen Shattered Glass, the film purported to be the ne plus ultra of his thespian skills,and I can honestly say I don't think he ever rose above the level of mere competence and serviceability; about as good as your average Lou Diamond Phillips performance. Nothing approaching Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction, that's for damn sure. 

Since so many people loathe his performance in AOTC and ROTS wouldn't you think he would try his damndest to redeem himself? Giving Hayden one or maybe even two scenes wouldn't bring about the end of the universe

Akton said:

Swazzy said:

the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

Friends, try for a moment to envision the inevitable scene that will take place (if this rumor is true) involving a spectral Hayden Christensen speaking to (or about) Adam Driver, saying something along the lines of "don't go down that path I traveled all those years ago." Are you recoiling in horror? Good. That is the correct response.

I don't really see how this scene could be a bad thing. If the writing is good enough any bad idea can be made good. 

joefavs said:

What about this idea that keeps coming up about using the Force to read an object's past? 

It's a force ability called Psychometry which Quinlan Vos is most famous for using. Though I've not heard this rumor it would make one hell of a segway.

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

DominicCobb said:

 Typically that means letting the creative minds do what they want. 

I don't know about all that. If I'm remembering correctly the new Fantastic 4 was a much different movie before the powers in charge interfered with it. 

 I said "typically" on purpose. 

Anyway, I wouldn't mind Hayden returning to the role, but only in the capacity of a spin-off film. A clone wars film would be really neat, but I doubt they'll want to return to that well. If Hayden shows up in an episode there's going to need to be a very good reason.

He could teach Finn things about The Force especially things regarding The Dark Side. Mark Hamill is in Episode VIII and if he dies in TFA it would be cool to see the two teach Finn together as Force Ghosts.  

DominicCobb said:

 Typically that means letting the creative minds do what they want. 

I don't know about all that. If I'm remembering correctly the new Fantastic 4 was a much different movie before the powers in charge interfered with it. 

DominicCobb said:

The writer/director of Episode VIII has called the SE a cartoon for one.

That's all fine and dandy and even though he represents what most of us think it doesn't mean he won't have to adhere to what's canon. If the higher ups say something is happening it will most likely be done. Protesting could work but it will most likely be a futile effort. 

DominicCobb said:

Hayden will not be in the ST. I am 100% sure of this. If I'm wrong I will gladly eat my shorts.

 I'd like to see you try...merely for scientific reasons of course :D

Also what makes you skeptical? Him appearing as a force ghost in ROTJ is canon unfortunately. And even though they're trying to stray from the PT by not mentioning Midichlorians I'm sure there would be some way to use Ani in this trilogy. Now if the ST was taking place 100 or so years post ROTJ the probability of him showing up would be nil. 

I wouldn't mind seeing Hayden in the ST. All he would need is the right acting coach to get him in the good frame of mind for his scenes and secondly he needs good dialogue. People seem to forget only amazing actors give vastly greater performances than the actual writing allows. I mean even Samuel L. Jackson wasn't good in the PT and he's an overall great actor.

As it pertains to Ewan I wouldn't want to see him in the ST for the sake of continuity. But an Obi-Wan spin off film with him at the helm seems far better in theory than a Han Solo movie. 

I quite enjoyed Star Wars #7. Didn't care much for the action but seeing Obi-Wan in dismay over the sudden change of not being a Jedi was kind of compelling. I'm glad we'll be dabbling into Obi-Wan's 19 years as a hermit from time to time. 

jedimasterobiwan said:

Lord Haseo said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

sonofjones said:

I gotta agree, I don't think it matters what it is. Whether some garbage, Luke's hand, some gadget or whatever, I think it's there just to highlight the dangerous situation Luke's in as he hangs for dear life above a bottomless abyss of clouds, which marks this as his lowest point in the entire saga. 

 Wouldn't that be when he underestimated  the powers of the emperor. Yoda warned him after all. Also the whole beginning of jedi was all leia's fault she didn't let han pay off his debt to jabba man how selfish was she.

No...Luke had his hand cut off and had just been told that his father was Darth Vader. That in conjuncture with Han being in Carbonite marks this as the lowest point in the saga. Not only that the  film just ends....no resolution no spark of happiness like in the ending STAR WARS and Return of The Jedi...nothing but bleakness with the tinniest speck of hope. 

Makes you want to watch ROTJ immediately afterward though. 

 True but the point i was making was the fact that luke the hero didn't even beat the emperor. The redeemed anakin skywalker did. So him getting beat by the emperor might better almost a lower point if you get what i mean.

 Luke was the dumb ass who threw his fucking lightsaber away just to make a point. It's not as though Sidious beat him in combat.

jedimasterobiwan said:

sonofjones said:

I gotta agree, I don't think it matters what it is. Whether some garbage, Luke's hand, some gadget or whatever, I think it's there just to highlight the dangerous situation Luke's in as he hangs for dear life above a bottomless abyss of clouds, which marks this as his lowest point in the entire saga. 

 Wouldn't that be when he underestimated  the powers of the emperor. Yoda warned him after all. Also the whole beginning of jedi was all leia's fault she didn't let han pay off his debt to jabba man how selfish was she.

No...Luke had his hand cut off and had just been told that his father was Darth Vader. That in conjuncture with Han being in Carbonite marks this as the lowest point in the saga. Not only that the  film just ends....no resolution no spark of happiness like in the ending STAR WARS and Return of The Jedi...nothing but bleakness with the tinniest speck of hope. 

Makes you want to watch ROTJ immediately afterward though.