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Lord Haseo

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#792641
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What if TFA is awful?
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sunglassesatnite said:

I think TFA WILL be awful.  I’m not hoping for it to be awful, but I think it will be.

Although J.J. Abrams has achieved mainstream success,  I have never truly gotten “on board” with his style of filmmaking.  And it’s not that his movies are completely “awful” any sense.  It’s just that  every time I’ve left out of the theater after seeing one of his movies I have a gnawing, hungry, not-quite-satisfied feeling—similar to the feeling one has after eating at McDonald’s.  Not terrible, but not quite satisfying.  In other words, totally un-OOT-like.

This is a vague feeling and it is hard to explain, but there are micro-moments in Abrams’s various  films where I get sucked straight out of the movie, out of the fantasy--and into a realm where “this doesn’t quite make sense.” Or, “that seems odd why that character would do [or say] that.” 

There are several of these “micro-moments” from J.J.’s films that I could get into (but won’t).  There is, though, one in the latest behind-the-scenes TFA footage (presumably from San Diego, but I’m not certain about that) which, at least for me, demonstrates what I am talking about.  For a few seconds, a guy appearing  to be Oscar Isaacs is being hustled down a very Death Star-looking starship passageway by a Stormtrooper.

 I will get accused of being overly anal about this, but something  about the composition of that shot and the body language of the characters was just wrong.  It immediately made me think of similar shots in the OOT where our captive heroes are being made to walk places they don’t necessarily want to go (think of Han Solo at the Carbonite chamber, or the surrendered starship troopers at the beginning of A New Hope).  Not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but in the TFA footage it just looked “off.”  For one thing, in J.J.’s footage the Stormtrooper has his gun on Oscar Isaacs with one hand, while attempting to briskly shuffle him down the passageway with the other; presumably to take him to some kind of “detention block.”  The thing is, why does the Stormtrooper have his gun on Isaacs when they are presumably on the Stormtrooper’s own ship to begin with?   Why the hell is the Stormtrooper in such a hurry when, again, they are on the Stormtrooper’s own ship?  Why aren’t there two Stormtroopers handling Isaacs?  Why am I being so completely anal about two seconds of footage, the completed version of which I haven’t yet seen?

The reason is because it just looks “wrong.”  It doesn’t look like Star Wars (or at least the only Star Wars that exists to me—namely the OOT).  In the OOT, a shot like this would have had two Stormtroopers walking behind our hero, weapons at port arms, with a pace and body language that suggested power and control…thereby infusing the scene with a sense of gravity and foreboding.  This scene, by contrast, just doesn’t come off well.  It just looks like a Stormtrooper hustling some dude down a hallway, and doesn’t really communicate anything beyond that.  Worse, it kind of makes the Stormtrooper look like--in the words of late-great TV series the Wire—“a graspy little bitch” who can’t handle his business somehow. 

Am I making  my prediction of TFA’s lack of quality based on this one scene?  Hardly.  I am merely attempting to give an example of how J.J. Abrams’s style, for me, doesn’t completely work.  

What of story, what of character development, what of pacing, music, tone and all that other important movie shit? Seems like you're reaching...

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#792627
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What if TFA is awful?
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John Doom said:

DominicCobb said:

You do not have to stay true to the source. There's no rule that says that. There are plenty of films that have succeeded by not staying true to the source.

 That's true: Tim Burton's Batman movies come to mind, in a way.

Not really. Batman doesn't kill in the comics and Joe Chill killed Bruce's parents not The Joker.

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#792403
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What if TFA is awful?
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Fang Zei said:

He said he knows several people working on the vfx for TFA at ILM and that they've told him it's not, in their opinion, going to be a particularly good movie.

I don't doubt he was told this, but he only discussed it in the vaguest of terms. Perhaps he was told more by his friends and didn't want to get them in trouble.

He could be talking out of his ass but on the other hand it's possible he was actually told this. It's unknowable so I'm taking that with a mountain of salt. I'm not going to let hearsay effect my outlook on a film....I haven't even seen yet. 

Also what Swazzy said was spot on. Also subjectivity is a big thing now a days. 

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#792399
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What if TFA is awful?
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John Doom said:

DominicCobb said:

Mike said it in the Undressing Underground podcast he did. I respect the hell out of him and all, but he seems to hate everything that's not the original film by default. So I'm taking his inside info with a grain of salt.

Well, I understand your opinion on Mr. Verta's take on the new movies, but there's no reason to doubt of what he said about his insiders: he just told us what he heard by himself.

P.S.: should it be "heard by himself" or "heard himself"? Tricky grammar :\

 What specifically did he say though? 

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#792353
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What can Disney do to improve the nuEU?
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Sevb32 said:

Isn't "good" writing subjective? Apparently someone thought he was good. Someone with an opinion just as valid as yours even if it's opposite.

Universal consensus trumps the loud yelling of the few. We're living in the age of contrarian but I think unpopular opinions should have a limit. I'm not going to take someone seriously if they say that Batman and Robin is a better film than TDK. 

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#792351
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What can Disney do to improve the nuEU?
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Tobar said:

Lord Haseo said:

Tobar said:

Hire good writers.

If you scroll up there are notable examples that there are good writers due to certain novels getting universal praise. So the whole "make it better" response doesn't necessarily equate to the entirety of the nuEU

 Don't hire crap writers.

Now that I can accept because who ever wrote Heir To The Jedi and Aftermath needs to be fired immediately. They need to have James Luceno do some more novels and as someone else pointed out there needs to be less novels. 2...maybe 3 a year. 

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#792348
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What if TFA is awful?
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Darth Id said:

Lord Haseo said:

hairy_hen said:

At this point I want the blasted movie to just come out already, so I can know the exact quantity of rat scrotum that it inhales, rather than having to wonder about the amount.

You're implying that the movie is going to suck by default which is unknowable at this juncture. 

 It can be reasonably inferred.

In fact, any inference to the contrary would be an extraordinary implausibility.

There's really nothing more than two teaser trailers to go on. Knowing how good TPM and the Prometheus trailers were it's evident that trailers aren't any type of indication as to the quality of the movie.  

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#792294
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What if TFA is awful?
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CatBus said:

Lord Haseo said:

Considering the prequels are what they are I'm sure JJ will have made the film at least watchable without having to be inebriated. I'd say worse case scenario it will be a 7/10 film. Also if the movie end up being great you'll regret not being there on that historic opening night. 

If I had as much confidence in JJ's abilities as you seem to, I might be more excited.  But frankly, on the anticipation scale, TFA doesn't rank as high as the possibility of another Lilo and Stitch direct-to-video sequel.  Hey, they could both be good, right?  Also they might not.  My happiness does not hinge on getting either of those questions answered.  Ever, really.

I don't regret not seeing Star Wars on opening night--I don't see how I could possibly regret not seeing TFA on opening night.

I think we're just on opposite ends of the caring spectrum.

I might not have the most confidence in JJ but the fact that Kasdan co-wrote this movie qualms my doubts concerning the film. Also JJ being a fan of the series means he probably gave this his all and more. 

If the film is as good as any of the OT films I think you will regret it. Especially if you hear something from a review (or anyone else) that you wouldn't want to know. 

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#792271
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What if TFA is awful?
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CatBus said:

Lord Haseo said:

Why not just see it for yourself and form your own opinion? There are a few movies I enjoyed in which my trusted reviewers didn't or just didn't like as much as I did. 

That was the logic behind my watching the prequels, and see how well that turned out.  Sure, reviewers can be wrong, even ones you like.  But they're also often right, and failing to watch a good movie isn't exactly the worst thing in the world you can do--it's not like I'll otherwise spend those two hours jabbing forks into my eyes or something.  I haven't watched the entire BFI or AFI top 100 films yet, maybe I'll try one of those.  Forgo one good thing for another good thing, it's a wash.

On the other hand, I often regret my choice to give the prequels a fair shake, instead of jabbing forks in my eyes.  Fair shakes are overrated.

Considering the prequels are what they are I'm sure JJ will have made the film at least watchable without having to be inebriated. I'd say worse case scenario it will be a 7/10 film. Also if the movie end up being great you'll regret not being there on that historic opening night. 

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#792267
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What if TFA is awful?
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CatBus said:

joefavs said:

I get that we've all been burned before, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect this to be one of my four favorite Star Wars movies.

Talk about lowering expectations...

I think it's pretty much impossible for it to be worse than the prequels--so worst-case scenario, it'll make you retch, but a lot less than you're used to during a new Star Wars film.  But that's not the same thing as saying it won't be awful.

And does it matter?  I plan on waiting for the reviews on this.  If the reviews (the ones I trust) are bad, I really won't feel the slightest remorse in skipping it (I feel quite a bit of remorse for not skipping the prequels due to the poor reviews).  If watching fan preservations continues to be the only way to actually enjoy the Star Wars universe, that's not really so bad.  I don't need new films.

Why not just see it for yourself and form your own opinion? There are a few movies I enjoyed in which my trusted reviewers didn't or just didn't like as much as I did. 

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#792247
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What if TFA is awful?
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LuckyGungan2001 said:

What if TFA manages to make the Prequels, Transformers, and even Battlefield Earth look like master pieces? What if the story is like horrible fanfiction? What if the acting is worse than what we would expect from 2nd graders? What if John Williams decides to put in dubstep instead of his regular awesomeness, y'know, for teh kidz? What if the special effects have less dimension than a Monty Python cartoon? What if every good scene we've had in the trailers aren't actually in the film? What if it is edited in that fast paced vomit inducing shaky cam / jump cut way? What if it makes every SW fan in the world commit suicide? So many what ifs...

 If it's anything less than stellar fans will destroy it. 

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#792151
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What can Disney do to improve the nuEU?
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Abandon the stupid concept of "canon" once and for all and let the writers write whatever stories they may in whatever continuity they wish (be it a previously established continuity or their own personal continuity).

If it's noted that these stories were to take place in an alternate universe or is a legend I could dig it. If not the shit is going to be a mess just like the EU was. I've always wanted to see an alternate universe in which Luke joins Vader at the end of ESB. 

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#792141
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What can Disney do to improve the nuEU?
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hairy_hen said:

They could make it not suck.  That would be a general direction to aspire towards.

Except wait, no, they can't do that.  Never mind.

Other than "cuz nostalgia" can you explain why the entirety of the nuEU sucks? What about the aforementioned Dark Disciple, Weapon of A Jedi and Lost Stars? These among a couple of other books I  listed are getting rave reviews 

Weapon of A Jedi:

Amazon- 4 &1/2 out of 5 stars based on 55 reviews 

Goodreads- 3.76 out of 5 stars based on 305 reviews

Audible- 4.50 out of 5 stars based on 136 reviews

Lost Stars: 

Amazon- 5 out of 5 stars based on 174 reviews

Goodreads 4.40 out of 5 stars based on 516 reviews.

Audible 4.70 out of 5 stars based on 456 reviews

Dark Disciple: 

Amazon- 4 and 1/2 stars baded on 218 reviews 

Goodreads- 3.99 out of 5 based on 1580 reviews  (which is pretty good considering that the highest rated book on Goodreads is a 4.22 out of 5)

Audible- 4.60 out of 5 stars based on 1163 reviews

So lets not act like the entirety of the nuEU is bad. Shit, even books like Lords of The Sith and Tarkin (while not the best books) are better than MOST of the stuff in the EU. 

Sources and shit:

Weapon of A Jedi -

Amazon:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1484724968/ref=s9_psimh_gw_p14_d1_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0NGWDVVVDVHDZPF1M324&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25067044-the-weapon-of-a-jedi

http://www.audible.com/pd/Teens/Star-Wars-The-Weapon-of-the-Jedi-Audiobook/B011PVW9PG/ref=a_hp_c3_1_1_i_pd_recs_1?ie=UTF8&pf_rd_r=1CRVMZGKJ1CEDMS8VHCC&pf_rd_m=A2ZO8JX97D5MN9&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=5000&pf_rd_p=2074596142&pf_rd_s=center-3

Lost Stars -

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1484724984/ref=s9_psimh_gw_p14_d1_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0NGWDVVVDVHDZPF1M324&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25067046-lost-stars

http://www.audible.com/pd/Sci-Fi-Fantasy/Star-Wars-Lost-Stars-Audiobook/B011PVVZL0/ref=a_search_c4_1_1_srTtl?qid=1444082290&sr=1-1

Dark Disciple - 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345511530/ref=s9_psimh_gw_p14_d1_i11?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0NGWDVVVDVHDZPF1M324&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23277298-dark-disciple

http://www.audible.com/pd/Sci-Fi-Fantasy/Dark-Disciple-Star-Wars-Audiobook/B00ZAURNZA/ref=a_search_c4_1_1_srTtl?qid=1444082371&sr=1-1

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#792096
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What can Disney do to improve the nuEU?
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I quite liked Dark Disciple, Lords of The Sith, Tarkin and Weapon of A Jedi but a lot of people are still displeased with the new canon. So what specifically can Disney do to improve the image it has with people who loved the EU? 

For starters I think they should canonize Kotor I & II, canonize the Darth Bane we know (not that fucking abomination in TCW) and make the Plagueis novel canon as well. 

All one would have to do to make the Darth Bane Trilogy canon is to remove the Vaapad reference and have Zannah kill him on Moraband

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#790910
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Knights of the Old Republic 1 vs 2. Which do you like more?
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Harrold Andraste said:

The 'what if' is important insofar that we realize the "plot", what little there is, would be the exact same had you replaced Kreia with a generic bit character. And that the plot did nothing to actually serve Kreia's supposed plan. 

Replacing Kreia with someone else would only work if that character did the exact same things Kreia did and was after the same goal as she was. The plot doesn't move without her. Also like I said Kreia brought the deaths of the remaining Jedi, Atris, Nihilus and Sion. I'm not sure why you're downplaying her significance when she IS the center of everything. 

As it pertains to her plan I guess she gets The Exile to kill all of powerful Force Sensitives. Then maybe she convinces the exile of her plan and if The Exile refuses she subdues him/her and puts him/her in stasis. Then Kreia hunts down all of the lesser Force Wielders, kills them and then offs herself which kills The Exile in the process due to their Force bond. This wouldn't do much in the long run but her plan was at least something different than the whole "rule the galaxy" shit we've been accustomed to. I mean how many times have we been subjected to that same motivation? That's part of the reason why I couldn't dig Malak. I was expecting something different with him seeing as how the game took places thousands of years before the OT.

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#790859
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Knights of the Old Republic 1 vs 2. Which do you like more?
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Harrold Andraste said:

Kreia helps the Exile reestablish their connection to the Force and led her to fight Sion and Nihilus. So what? Vrook, Handle Bar Mustache, and the Iziz Jedi could train her, too.

But that's not the way it happened. What ended up happening was that Kreia help The Exile reestablish her connection with The Force. We're not talking about what ifs and what could have beens here. Also part of the reason they exiled Meetra was for the same reason Kreia took interest in her. Because The Exile was a wound in The Force. Not only that they saw The Exile as a rebel and they blamed him/her for Revan's fall. It's a bit of a stretch to say the Masters would have trained her. 

Also if it were't for Kreia The Exile would have died on the ship the game started out on.