Lord Haseo

StarChewyWar said:

I think we should get more daring and bold stories instead of the usual "Oh, no! Another Imperial commander is taking over the remnants of the Empire!". I'd love to see alternate universe storylines like "What if Luke joined Vader?". "What if Greedo shot first and KILLED Han?", or even "What if the prequels were good?". I'd pay good money to see that.

 In their defense some taking over the remnents of the Empire was necessary. The Thrawn Trilogy did it so why can't the NuEu have that in it. 

Also I mentioned the "what if Luke joined Vader" idea earlier in this thread and I want that almost as much as I want to see TFA. I think they should have actually done that in the OT. It would have changed the foundation of the series even further. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

This is why I've adopted the F-to-A+ rating system. It's much less ambiguous/arbitrary than a number rating system.

Well if we were to go by that TFA would need at least a C- to show the world that Star Wars can be half decent again.

CatBus said:

Lord Haseo said:

5/10 is mediocre verging on bad. 6/10 is more or less your description.

Mine goes up to 11.

 I really hate odd numbers. Is 11 like an A+ or something? 

CatBus said:

Lord Haseo said:

I came to the conclusion that seeing as how bad the prequels were no one who's in charge of Star Wars would let such a thing happen again.

I reached the same conclusion, which is why my safe money is still squarely on "meh", 5/10, fairly disposable entertainment, far and away the best thing that's happened in the Star Wars universe in over a generation, and something I may still very well opt to skip entirely.

5/10 is mediocre verging on bad. 6/10 is more or less your description. And even a 6/10 is not enough in this day in age where anything that's not great is garbage in a lot of people's eyes. There's hardly any middle ground anymore. 

CatBus said:

Ahh, the old "Disney must recoup its investment, therefore it will be good, QED" theory.  The John Carter Corollary, as it's sometimes called, I believe.  It could work.

The day it was announced that Disney acquired Star Wars I scooted my chair back a bit, turned off my monitor, interlocked my fingers and rested my head on my hand and had a very long thought about this. During the 40+ minutes of thinking about this I came to the conclusion that seeing as how bad the prequels were no one who's in charge of Star Wars would let such a thing happen again. That line of thought is far more realistic then "The ST is going to such because its not the Original or Thrawn trilogies" 

CatBus said:

Lord Haseo said:

I'd say worse case scenario it will be a 7/10 film.

As long as we're not taking the small amount of info we have and predicting the quality with any certainty...

That's not due to what I've seen that's due to the fact that the prequels were terrible. For Disney to recoup the money they sunk into acquiring Star Wars they know they can't release subpar movies.

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

ray_afraid said:

And everything else that everyone is basing their opinions on at this point...

But there's so little to go on saying you have an "opinion" is half baked at best. We don't even know what the plot of the film is. We have little tid bits but nothing more. 

 Still, there's nothin' wrong with saying "I like/don't like what I've seen and know so far".

It's fine to say "I'm not liking what I'm seeing" but to say that the film is probably going to be bad based on the minuscule amount of information we have is foolish in my opinion. 

ray_afraid said:

And everything else that everyone is basing their opinions on at this point...

But there's so little to go on saying you have an "opinion" is half baked at best. We don't even know what the plot of the film is. We have little tid bits but nothing more. 

.

Hal 9000 said:

Leoj said:

New trailer: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfeWNZqVYsE

I still don't like the idea of previously unheard of Inquisitors doing the dirty work Vader should be doing, either. I hope Ezra gets killed eventually. 

Rebels takes place 14 years after ROTS so the inquisitors are just taking out the last remnants of the Jedi Order.

Mithrandir said:

Yes, but it's a stereotypical personality, the un-stable histrionic maniac with superpowers. and I'm 100% it's done like that because "it looks cool"

If I had superpowers, I wouldn't be so emotional or theatrical in my behaviour...mainly because almost nothing could interfere with me, isn't it logical?

If I had Force Abilities I would do something similar to shake up my opponent. Also the foot stomping this could be only something he does when he is in the midst of combat. His personality can be far different from that in other circumstances. 

Rebel1one1 said:

I agree he intends to make a good film. I doubt very much he would have considered the project at all if he didn't think he could make it great. I think a lot of it is when you love something so much and are very close to it, you run the risk of failure because of trying too hard to get it right.

Being to close can also have it's benefits. It could make him know what belongs in a Star Wars film and what doesn't. It could also lead him to know what experiments or risk he should take and ones he shouldn't. 

Mithrandir said:

You just need to see how Kylo Ren stomps his feet in the ground when he activates his sabre in TFA's first teaser; it just screams "whooaaaa, EPIC", and compare it with how matter-of-fact Vader is in everything he does, with a very defined characteristic of coldness, tranquility, unenthusiasm and even elegance.

The foot stomping thing could play into his his personality just like Vader's movements plays into his.

Rebel1one1 said:

I don't believe his credibility will be tarnished. The reality is Abrams has been a very successful director in spite of some of the mediocre products he has been responsible for. Star Trek Into Darkness comes to mind immediately as being an example of a completely lackluster effort that should have knocked him down several thousand pegs. It's scary that he went from Into Darkness to Episode VII. However, yes because he is an uber-fan of Star Wars  hopefully this will be his greatest film as well as a wonderful Star Wars movie. The only reason I disagree about the argument of him being a fan playing a big role in him taking on the movie as director is because Abrams himself used that as one of the main reasons why he didn't want to helm the film. It is not like he was not aware that The Force Awakens would make a "shit ton" of money when he was initially offered the job.

One of the reasons I believe in him is because after Into Darkness he needs to redeem himself and this is the perfect opportunity. Not only that, due to him being a fan this would cause him to try his damnedest to make this film special.

Like I said before maybe he initially thought Disney was only doing another Star Wars film just for a cash grab, but then maybe he was convinced that they intended TFA to be a good film. And even if money was the primary reason he initially neglected to direct the movie that doesn't mean he doesn't intend on making a good film.

Rebel1one1 said:

If memory serves Abrams claimed he was "too much of a fan" to take on the film when it was initially offered. Not to mention the fact that he pointed out his "loyalty" to Star Trek. Than shortly thereafter he is officially named TFA director. It's obvious that it was about financial compensation. JJ Abrams apparent loyalty to his iteration of Star Trek clearly was not going to sway him from the potentially highest payday of his career. Even if it sucks, it's a win/win for him because the money will keep him secure and he would be welcomed back to Star Trek regardless of success or failure with The Force Awakens.

Maybe the person convinced him they were interested in making a good film while making a shit ton of money. That in conjunction with him being a fan of the series was probably the deciding factor. People now a days act as if you can only have one reason for doing anything. As if there aren't any other factors in play when it comes to making decisions. 

Also if this film sucks his career will take a huge hit. Sure he'll make a lot of money but his credibility is tarnished. 

Rebel1one1 said:

Abrams only refused at first as a negotiating tactic. It as nothing to do with artistic or creative integrity. It's about money primarily and anybody who believes otherwise is deluding themselves. 

 So you read his thoughts? 

generalfrevious said:

SilverWook said:

generalfrevious said:

SilverWook said:

Can't you wait until the movie is actually out before unleashing the gloom and doom?

Only ten more weeks to go...

 Corporate art does not apply in this case. I don't need to see the film to know it won't be good, because TFA is not an artistic vision, it was designed as a product to make money for a corporation that already has too much money. Even the PT, misguided as it was, could be considered an artistic vision, albeit a terrible one.

 Because Lucas never made a buck off of slapping Star Wars on everything in sight.

 That's different; ANH wasn't some corporate product to exploit a recently acquired IP. It only became commercial because of a merchandising oversight, and didn't really kick into gear until ROTJ was released (Ewoks, remember them?). I agree, it went off the rails by the time the PT was released, but at least in the movies Lucas was trying to push the limits of CGI technology at the time. Where is Abrams's directorial vision in all this? He is just trying to copy the look of the OT and whitewash the failures of the PT. He can do nothing more than imitate the films of the past in order to exploit our nostalgia and sell more tickets; he is a monster that cares more about profits than art, and is contributing to the death of film as an art form. At least Lucas had some ambition, even though he lost his early talent along the way and became incompetent.  In the end, I'd rather take an artistic failure than a good (but not great) blockbuster I won't care about a few months later.

Why can't JJ want to do both? Why can't he want to make money (which just about everyone on the planet wants) and tell a good story that redeems the Star Wars franchise at the same time? Also him being a monster who only cares about profit doesn't add up because he initially neglected to do TFA because he didn't want to be the guy who ruined Star Wars....I just don't get where you're coming from.

TV's Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

SilverWook said:

^ Wrong thread?

Not really. Frevious' posts always make me want to drink myself into a lightheaded stupor. 

 What if TFA gives you a drinking problem?

Maybe drinking before watching TFA will cancel out any chance of a drinking problem arising.

SilverWook said:

Can't you wait until the movie is actually out before unleashing the gloom and doom?

Only ten more weeks to go...

 That's not how Star Wars fans operate. Myself included.

joefavs said:

As for how the new comics are, I've liked most of them, but that's not a popular opinion here. on average they're a lot more fun than the novels, anyway.

I've liked some of the comics too but my interest is kind of waning for the main Star Wars & Vader comics. Haven't checked out Lando or Kanan. Am waiting for a few more issues to come out so I can binge on them. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

The indifference is swelling in me now.

Maybe if the entire universe aligns and George Carlin comes back to life you'll enjoy it or anything from the nuEU. I'm crossing my fingers. 

joefavs said:

It would be neat if the new EU manages to make significant strides towards redeeming the prequel era.

TCW did a pretty good job at that. The Anakin in that series was pretty much the Anakin Obi-Wan was referring to in STAR WARS. The only problem is the jarring difference between Anakin in TCW and the Anakin in the PT. They're more or less completely different people.

To quote from Comicbook.com:

"At today's "Cup O' Joe" panet at New York Comic Con, Marvel Comics announced Obi-Wan and Anakin, a new five-issue Star Wars miniseries from Writer Charles Soule and Artist Marco Checchetto" 

It could be good it could be bad. I'm not sure what they can do with only 5 issues though.

So Lawrence Kasdan co-writing the script means nothing? A lot of you guys are acting as if JJ is doing this film like Lucas did the PT. With no one to second guess him at all. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

Lord Haseo said:

Batman doesn't kill in the comics

He used to. 

I do not know what you are referring to and neither does Batman. Spread your blasphemous filth elsewhere.