Lord Haseo

Ryan McAvoy said:

It might be simpler to retitle this thread from “Ranking the Star Wars Films” to “The Lord Haseo’s it’s all about me thread”? Probably a bad idea I know, so let’s try actually discussing the thread topic for a change.

I don’t remember saying “You have to agree with me” but if me not kissing people’s feet just because they have an obscure opinion is me being self centered then I repeat. Sue me.

Also I’ve fucking tried to discuss the film/s and all these conversations end with “Well that’s just my opinion so fuck off” whether I’m in them or not.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

adywan said:

swagmasta69 said:

I would argue that TFA and the Holiday Special are the same kind of monster.
Both made without the creator’s involvement and made solely for profit.
There is nothing even close to a creative vision for either entity.

So you would need to lump the prequels into the same “made solely for profit” category. Those films were only made for the money. He had no intention of ever making those films. Lucasfilm needed a money maker. the only parts of Lucasfilm making any sort of money was its subsidiary companies ( ILM, Skywalker sound etc). Lucasfilm needed a hit. The only things of any value on its books were Star Wars and Indy. They had had too many flops. The SE’s were done to test the waters. Did the public still want Star wars? If those had failed, then pre production on TPM would have likely stopped.

Your argument has no basis. I mean it doesn’t seem like Lucas needed any money at that point.

Yes because ALL rich people NEVER try to accumulate more currency.

Well he could simply get some other people to write and direct and just take the profit while sipping beer on the beach. Obviously there was some personal reason that he invested his time in it.

If he had given one fuck he would have adhered to the source material. I don’t want to hear it.

imperialscum said:

adywan said:

swagmasta69 said:

I would argue that TFA and the Holiday Special are the same kind of monster.
Both made without the creator’s involvement and made solely for profit.
There is nothing even close to a creative vision for either entity.

So you would need to lump the prequels into the same “made solely for profit” category. Those films were only made for the money. He had no intention of ever making those films. Lucasfilm needed a money maker. the only parts of Lucasfilm making any sort of money was its subsidiary companies ( ILM, Skywalker sound etc). Lucasfilm needed a hit. The only things of any value on its books were Star Wars and Indy. They had had too many flops. The SE’s were done to test the waters. Did the public still want Star wars? If those had failed, then pre production on TPM would have likely stopped.

Your argument has no basis. I mean it doesn’t seem like Lucas needed any money at that point.

Yes because ALL rich people NEVER try to accumulate more currency.

Dek Rollins said:
I was just explaining myself since I’m sure so many people would be unable to understand my logic.

No one on here is going to understand your logic but there’s no point in even talking about about it. That’s why I conceded.

Dek Rollins said:

swagmasta69 said:

George had the broadstrokes of the PT laid out by the end of making the OT. (Lava planet, ROTJ Vader seeming much more like Anakin Skywalker from the prequels in dialogue and characterization, etc.)

Now, I’m not sure what your getting at with this sentence. Are you one of those people that think he had planned for the PT to exist the whole time? For those that use “that’s why he called them Episodes V and VI” as an excuse to think this, that is not why he originally used the episode numbers. He used them in yet another way to recreate the feel of coming into a theater to see some Flash Gordon serials, and you just came in the middle of the story. And ROTJ Vader wasn’t any closer to PT Annie than in the first two.

George had some ideas for the PT in 1980 but I’m sure whatever ideas he had were long gone by the time the mid - late 90’s came around

It hasn’t been confirmed how the Knights of Ren was created so it’s pretty premature to say Ben named it after himself.

Bingowings said:
Hopefully the next films will develop the great characters by taking them into interesting new situations.

Here’s to hoping. To HECK with the people who are going to say “It doesn’t feel like Star Wars” because those people were probably going to say that anyway. We need new things so that the Saga doesn’t stagnate. Callbacks to the OT are fine if done right but we need a mostly original plot this time.

To be honest I don’t know what they’re going to do because Star Wars Fans are the most indecisive people of any fandom. If the events that take place are completely foreign a lot of people instead of the hyperbolic nonsense that was “TFA is a complete remake of ANH” claim will say the film doesn’t feel enough like Star Wars. Even if the film is on par with ESB naysayers will say something like “Well it was a good movie but it wasn’t a good Star Wars movie.”

Same thing goes for Kylo Ren. He was a layered character but people were expecting Vader 2.0 whilst simultaneously not wanting Kylo to be Vader 2.0…I fear they’re going to take away his depth because people don’t entirely know what they want and people too impatient to understand that Kylo is going to have an arc and part of the arc being that he just a villain in training.

Dek Rollins said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Dek Rollins said:

4. The Holiday Special
5. The Force Awakens

Really? ‘The Holiday Special’ is so bad it’s like a physical and mental act of shear endurance and will-power to sit through the thing. It’s not even so bad it’s good in an ironic way. At least TFA had some explosions, some bright coloured lights and not even one long, boring and dry instructional video about the proper operation of a entirely fictional electronic device.

Dude…it’s obvious hyperbole lol

Have you seen some of the other posts in this thread? Nothing here can be described as obvious hyperbole…at least from the point of view of those posting it.

The Holiday Special is a different kind of monster though…

I knew there would be talk about that one, and I sort of did it as a joke, but I’m also kind of serious, which is why I actually did it. When I saw TFA, nothing struck me with any positive thought about what I just saw. The first thing I did when the credits started was begin thinking about how the whole plot was just Star Wars made worse, and none of what was happening at any time made me feel any emotion for the scene. The Holiday Special has a Riff Tracks appeal, and I generally found its cheese more entertaining than TFA. It’s just an unoriginal modern blockbuster that didn’t have anything in it that felt like Star Wars to me. Also realize that I don’t like any of those and just put them in so someone wouldn’t ask me to finish my list and face the truth.
Frink, I respect you and your opinions, and your contribution to this site. Your posts make me laugh on a daily basis I’m sure. But, I just don’t agree with you and some others about how “TFA nailed it” and all that.

Good for you I guess.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Many people have complained about it being SW/ANH all over again. Looking back, I suppose they’re right about that. However, it’s just so much fun and the characters are so great that I don’t care. As I watched the film, I wasn’t thinking about the similarities and I didn’t even notice them at all at first.

Except Starkiller and Maz’s place, which did take me out of the movie a bit.

If you boil it down to it’s smallest of points then sure I guess but when you analyze the film you see just how different they are. Also it feels different which is just as important.

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Dek Rollins said:

4. The Holiday Special
5. The Force Awakens

Really? ‘The Holiday Special’ is so bad it’s like a physical and mental act of shear endurance and will-power to sit through the thing. It’s not even so bad it’s good in an ironic way. At least TFA had some explosions, some bright coloured lights and not even one long, boring and dry instructional video about the proper operation of a entirely fictional electronic device.

Dude…it’s obvious hyperbole lol

Have you seen some of the other posts in this thread? Nothing here can be described as obvious hyperbole…at least from the point of view of those posting it.

The Holiday Special is a different kind of monster though…

DuracellEnergizer said:

I like Asajj Ventress. Out of the plethora of darksiders the EU created after AOTC’s release, she’s virtually the only one who wasn’t a flat, two-dimensional, evil-for-the-sake-of-being-evil villain.

And she got a fitting ending in Dark Disciple. Too bad we never truly learned what happened to Quinlan Vos

Ryan McAvoy said:

Dek Rollins said:

4. The Holiday Special
5. The Force Awakens

Really? ‘The Holiday Special’ is so bad it’s like a physical and mental act of shear endurance and will-power to sit through the thing. It’s not even so bad it’s good in an ironic way. At least TFA had some explosions, some bright coloured lights and not even one long, boring and dry instructional video about the proper operation of a entirely fictional electronic device.

Dude…it’s obvious hyperbole lol

Let’s just drop it. I think the guy is trolling and if you think he’s not

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:
I don’t know why you’re getting so emotional.

You have a really bad attitude. Please stop replying to me. Most of the posters here seem very mature, but you… oh boy.

Not wanting to talk about a redundant topic isn’t an indication of maturity, it meant I don’t want to talk about that topic. There’s nothing more to it. Also you getting so butthurt at such a insignificant thing is however an indication of maturity.

But you keep talking! If you don’t want to talk about the topic, then don’t. Holy cow.

I wanted to talk about trolling. You wanted to talk about opinions.

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:
I don’t know why you’re getting so emotional.

You have a really bad attitude. Please stop replying to me. Most of the posters here seem very mature, but you… oh boy.

Not wanting to talk about a redundant topic isn’t an indication of maturity, it meant I don’t want to talk about that topic. There’s nothing more to it. Also you getting so butthurt at such a insignificant thing is however an indication of maturity.

swagmasta69 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Duel of the Fates playing over a long shot of Anakin talking to a Jawa is one of the lower points of the entire PT.

It was a montage/road trip style scene and that shot of him talking to a jawa was a big wide shot that fit the music well.
Anakin was on a quest to save his mother. I think it’s usage was perfectly fine.

I could have swore Duel of The Fates played during the best duel in the PT…that seemed more fitting. Just my opinion though.

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:
You know, having opinions that most people on this site do not share does not make me a troll.

If those are your opinions good for you for being so unique. The world needs more people like you. You are doing God’s work.

I stand by everything i’ve said.

Good for you Flynn.

Why are you such a wise ass? Ir’s rubbing off on me. Please tone it down.

Right now I’m being a wise ass because I’m not particularly enthralled with talking about opinions. Your opinions don’t matter and neither do mine. I don’t know why you’re getting so emotional.

swagmasta69 said:
You know, having opinions that most people on this site do not share does not make me a troll.

If those are your opinions good for you for being so unique. The world needs more people like you. You are doing God’s work.

I stand by everything i’ve said.

Good for you Flynn.

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

1. ROTJ
2. ESB
3. SW
4. ROTS
5. AOTC
6. TPM

Many will disagree about ranking AOTC over TPM. But AOTC actually contained some stuff that were the reasons I wanted to see the prequels, like a big ass Jedi/Clone battle. Where as even though TPM is a much better made movie overall (Still sh*t though) it has Jar Jar (and to a lesser extent little Annie) in it for most of the running time. He’s the most irritating character in the history of mainstream movies and it’s difficult to “enjoy” anything else about that movie as a result. If a highly skilled faneditor/FX-artist ever digitally erased Jar Jar from every single pixel of TPM, then sure I’d probablly rank it as the “least worst” prequel. But so far (To my knowledge) they haven’t yet, so it’ll stay bottom for me.

At least AOTC has Kenobi in it for more than 5 minutes and he does things that significantly effect the plot. At least the villain has more than 4 lines (With Christopher Lee’s voice) and does things that significantly effect the plot. The final LS duel actually has some emotion behind it, despite also being almost totally cr*p. At least they got rid of the botched puppet Yoda. Sadly with a CGI Yoda but you can tell the FX-artists really tried.

What do you seek to accomplish with this?

If he simply didn’t watch TFA yet, you were being dumb.

If he didn’t watch TFA he should have stated it you ass.

Bosk said:

Esb
Anh
ROTJ

All the rest don’t exist…

If it was an honest opinion, you were being an intolerant jerk.

Your feeble attempt at trying to elicit an emotional response was ineffectual.

now THIS is trolling

swagmasta69 said:

1. Star Wars
2. Revenge of The Sith
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. Attack of The Clones/The Phantom Menace/Return of The Jedi(with Victory Celebration)
5. Return of The Jedi sans Victory Celebration
6. The Special Edition OT
7. The Force Awakens

swagmasta69 said:
ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

swagmasta69 said:
I actually think that the AOTC romance is the most authentic and unguarded romance in cinema,

Says the troll…

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Wazzles said:

swagmasta69 said:

Wazzles said:
I haven’t seen AOTC in a long time, however, so it might be better than I’m giving it credit for, but I doubt it.

it is

These aren’t convincing me.

That sounds like a you problem.

The others were good examples but the CGI in this shot is shite m8

no it’s really not

use your eyes

You probably just dislike CGI in general.

The floor and ceiling don’t feel tangible. Looks like 2005 PS2 graphics

swagmasta69 said:

Wazzles said:

swagmasta69 said:

Wazzles said:
I haven’t seen AOTC in a long time, however, so it might be better than I’m giving it credit for, but I doubt it.

it is

These aren’t convincing me.

That sounds like a you problem.

The others were good examples but the CGI in this shot is shite m8

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

1. ROTJ
2. ESB
3. SW
4. ROTS
5. AOTC
6. TPM

Many will disagree about ranking AOTC over TPM. But AOTC actually contained some stuff that were the reasons I wanted to see the prequels, like a big ass Jedi/Clone battle. Where as even though TPM is a much better made movie overall (Still sh*t though) it has Jar Jar (and to a lesser extent little Annie) in it for most of the running time. He’s the most irritating character in the history of mainstream movies and it’s difficult to “enjoy” anything else about that movie as a result. If a highly skilled faneditor/FX-artist ever digitally erased Jar Jar from every single pixel of TPM, then sure I’d probablly rank it as the “least worst” prequel. But so far (To my knowledge) they haven’t yet, so it’ll stay bottom for me.

At least AOTC has Kenobi in it for more than 5 minutes and he does things that significantly effect the plot. At least the villain has more than 4 lines (With Christopher Lee’s voice) and does things that significantly effect the plot. The final LS duel actually has some emotion behind it, despite also being almost totally cr*p. At least they got rid of the botched puppet Yoda. Sadly with a CGI Yoda but you can tell the FX-artists really tried.

What do you seek to accomplish with this?

If he simply didn’t watch TFA yet, you were being dumb.

If he didn’t watch TFA he should have stated it you ass.

Bosk said:

Esb
Anh
ROTJ

All the rest don’t exist…

If it was an honest opinion, you were being an intolerant jerk.

Your feeble attempt at trying to elicit an emotional response was ineffectual. If it is an honest opinion I don’t understand it. If that makes me intolerant then oh well. Sue me.

Yoda Is Your Father said:

Want to read the most bat shit crazy (and clearly wrong) theory about who Rey really is?

Here you go:

http://www.shortlist.com/news/this-star-wars-fan-theory-is-brilliant-and-bulletproof?utm_content=buffer1afa4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I’ve been actively avoiding reading anything about this lunacy but good God…This is almost as ludicrous as the Snoke is Vader Theory.

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

1. ROTJ
2. ESB
3. SW
4. ROTS
5. AOTC
6. TPM

Many will disagree about ranking AOTC over TPM. But AOTC actually contained some stuff that were the reasons I wanted to see the prequels, like a big ass Jedi/Clone battle. Where as even though TPM is a much better made movie overall (Still sh*t though) it has Jar Jar (and to a lesser extent little Annie) in it for most of the running time. He’s the most irritating character in the history of mainstream movies and it’s difficult to “enjoy” anything else about that movie as a result. If a highly skilled faneditor/FX-artist ever digitally erased Jar Jar from every single pixel of TPM, then sure I’d probablly rank it as the “least worst” prequel. But so far (To my knowledge) they haven’t yet, so it’ll stay bottom for me.

At least AOTC has Kenobi in it for more than 5 minutes and he does things that significantly effect the plot. At least the villain has more than 4 lines (With Christopher Lee’s voice) and does things that significantly effect the plot. The final LS duel actually has some emotion behind it, despite also being almost totally cr*p. At least they got rid of the botched puppet Yoda. Sadly with a CGI Yoda but you can tell the FX-artists really tried.

What do you seek to accomplish with this?

opinions you don’t agree with aren’t bait

You think

I don’t think that. I’m saying that Ryan is probably not trolling.

Well I’m saying he probably is. You going to cry about it or something?