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Finn with his “boyfriend” remark did subtly hint at an attraction to Rey already anyway.
That’s true but you never know…bisexuality is a thing
Handman said:
Showing gay romance and the existence of gay people are totally different.
Both can still can be seen as pandering. Many things such as Lando’s existence, Finn being a main character who happens to be black and Rey being a woman who is the main character can be seen as pandering as well. Why would this particular attempt at “pandering” be so wrong when the history of Star Wars if filled with it? Seems mighty hypocritical to me.
Let me leave this thread.
You’re free to leave but that’s not going to hinder me from responding to you.
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Handman said:
so why even make the thread in the first place?
To see whether there is an actual argument against the prospect of having a gay romance in Star Wars. I have yet to receive a satisfactory answer.
So Handman are you going to respond to the Lando thing or…
I was trying to get out of this thread. Identity politics are usually something I want to avoid.
You should have thought about that before posted what you posted. Hell, if you really wanted to avoid all of this you should have never posted in this thread.
I don’t find the two comparable at all
How? There were zero black people in ANH and then now suddenly black people exist in ESB and ROTJ. That can be seen as pandering.
Bingowings said:
The idea that showing two fictional characters going from friendship to romance is pandering to something and should be avoided.
It happens in real life so why not? I’m not saying it happens in 90 percent of blossoming relationships but it’s a common enough occurrence that people start out as friends and end up realizing that they would be better off in a relationship with each other. As DavidMerrick pointed out it’s more realistic than two people being almost completely antagonistic towards each other only to then fall in love. And in my view it’s more realistic than people falling in love with each other at first glance.
I’m all for it. Honestly I can’t think of an argument against it that isn’t homophobic.
When it comes to Poe and Finn specifically, you are wrong.
Good friendships have been known to turn into romantic relationships.
However, the end of TFA leaves the audience with no revelation, no clear problem.
There doesn’t need to be. She’s just there to get her training and that’s it.
ending of ESB tacked onto a softer than fuck reboot of ANH.
Haven’t we talked about this shit enough?
So Handman are you going to respond to the Lando thing or…
I think it was a joke…
It’s pandering.
I guarantee no one would have said shit if a gay romance was in the PT. Also a lot of people said that making one of the main characters black and making the main protagonist a woman was pandering as well.
Anybody else find this movie is WAY better on second viewing?
Guess that’s just a result of the frantic nature of it.
Yep because the first time you’re caught up in the sensory overload and in the fact that you’re seeing a new Star Wars film.
By my fourth viewing even most of the problems I had with the film seemed like nitpicks. Hell, it’s been nearly a month since my last viewing and the more I think about the film the more I like it.
I’m all for it. Honestly I can’t think of an argument against it that isn’t homophobic.
Indeed. The Star Wars films have always been romantic
Literally every Star Wars episode has romance or is setting up one. If it’s written well and doesn’t overshadow the main plot I don’t see a problem with it. It has to feel like a natural part of the story and that goes for straight romances too.
I don’t know. There had to be some long lonely nights before she married Cliegg. 😉
Surely she would wipe his memory; I doubt C3P0 would keep that to himself.
What’s funny is that there’s a sidequest in Kotor where you a woman has become irrationally attached to a protocol droid after her husband dies. So it’s possible I guess…
I found that less believable than Anakin building 3PO.
It’s not that people don’t believe Anakin had the capability to build C3P0 it’s the fact that his mum wouldn’t need a protocol droid…ever.
Understood. I didn’t know people on facebook could cover their tracks.
The place where I got the screenshots from was a link posted on a Star Wars fan page. There have been multiple times in which I was going to send a facebook link to someone and whatever it was was already gone by the time they tried to see it.
I was trying to give an example as to what I was talking about seeing as how people were perplexed. Things on facebook are subject to being deleted so I decided another path was wiser. I apologize anyway.
Let’s not drag Facebook drama over here, we have enough of our own!
That’s what prompted me to make this thread. I’ve seen a couple comments on youtube and seen some shade thrown at the idea on TheForce.net (I think)
Linking to and reposting their idiocy here are two different things.
Ok. If you feel so strongly about it close the thread.
Let’s not drag Facebook drama over here, we have enough of our own!
That’s what prompted me to make this thread. I’ve seen a couple comments on youtube and seen some shade thrown at the idea on TheForce.net (I think)
…Who is saying there is something wrong with it?
This was my first thought too.
Exhibit A
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Exhibit B
Also it takes more than a troll thread to rustle my jimmies.
Watch Barry Lyndon. That will show you the light.
Obi-Wan vs Vader was basically two old men hitting with sticks.
So, because they weren’t being flashy, it’s now a horrible fight? Because that’s what a sword duel is about, entertaining an audience with flashy tricks and spins.
The sword play in the Obi-Wan vs Vader duel was atrocious. That’s why I think it’s a horrible fight. I mean the duel in ESB isn’t overly flashy in it’s sword play and it’s my favorite. The sword play in ROTJ is at least competent for the most part.
A couple of the lightsaber duels
None of the lightsaber duels were any good.
If so then all of the duels in the OT were utter garbage…
No, they weren’t. Regardless of story, the OT duels were designed like real sword duels, while the PT duels were ballets. They weren’t fighting how real sword masters would fight. The “styles” exercised had so many wholes in them you can hardly count. The OT duels were choreographed by a swordplay expert, to look like real sword fights. Even Vader was played by Bob Anderson for all of his stunts in ESB and ROTJ. So he was actually sword fighting. He also personally trained Mark Hamill for the sequels. I can definitely forgive Ben’s awkward spin when comparing it to the PT duels.
Obi-Wan vs Vader was basically two old men hitting with sticks. It was horrible but at least there’s a couple of good lines of dialogue in there.
Luke vs Vader on Bespin was the best duel in the series in my opinion. Both in choreography and in terms of story.
Luke vs Vader on The 2nd Death Star was okay. There is a sequence where they do the same swing for like 8 seconds that kills it for me. Now the sloppiness of the duel after Luke is enraged isn’t a problem for me though.
With the exception of Luke and Vader’s first fight I’d take most of the PT duels over the other two. Except for the Yoda vs Dooku and Mace vs Sidious.
Lord Haseo,
Everything you mentioned being good about the PT, I disagree with.
Everything you mentioned being bad about the OT, I disagree with.
Not surprised in the slightest but okay.
A couple of the lightsaber duels
None of the lightsaber duels were any good.
If so then all of the duels in the OT were utter garbage. I liked Duel of The Fates and the rematch with Dooku. Obi-Wan vs Vader would have been so much better if it were shorter so I’m not going to count it.
And while over choreographed some of them are still entertaining on the surface. Also I’m not talking about the stories that are taking place within the duels; just the duels themselves
I don’t have much against the designs per-say, but all of these places look so fake and are so full of crap that it’s hard to call them beautiful.
That’s fair.
Not a bad thing.
From a guy who watched the OUT for the first time when I was 18 it totally dragged me out of the film and doesn’t fit in at all. It’s quite ridiculous actually and considering the universe in which Star Wars takes place that’s saying something.
…Who is saying there is something wrong with it?
I’ve seen quite a people say that when the topic of Finn and Poe being together is brought up but it is in no way an epidemic.
The rest of your post I pretty much agree with with.
CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:
For me it’s not homosexuality that’s the issue, it’s unnecessary sexualization. Poe and Finn aren’t romantic in TFA-- they are good friend, Finn saved Poe’s life and Poe did the same for Finn in a different sense. The idea that every close relationship has to be sexual is ridiculous.
To be fair a decent amount of relationships in real life start out as friendships and progress from there.
In this case, it would detract from the real nature of their friendship by boiling it down to sexual attraction.
I don’t think that would matter too much as long as they have chemistry and as long as it doesn’t try to overshadow the plot as a whole.
If done right I can’t see why this would be a bad thing. First of all the OT had incest which is more taboo than homosexuality. Secondly, out of trillions of sentients you’re telling me that everyone is straight? Other than someone being a bigot or not liking it because it wasn’t in the OT I don’t see how this is a bad idea to anyone. Can someone enlighten me because I just don’t see it
ray_afraid said:
Also, Birdemic and the like are what they say they are. They aren’t parading around as high art, they’re slinking around as trashy cheap movies. Nothin’ wrong with that in my book.
What about Avatar The Last Airbender?