Lord Haseo

MalàStrana said:
Hem… kiddo,

The pot calling the kettle black…

your opinion… no point.

opinions =/= observations

Just because you have a less than rudimentary understanding of the character and the film as a whole doesn’t mean you can disregard observations that are based in empiricism. My viewpoint on the character has been blatantly stated in other posts, yes. But not in my last one. You’re using the word “opinion” as a scapegoat.

Also your post signature is blatantly antagonistic. Just because you don’t like TFA that wouldn’t make it justifiable for me to say something like “You don’t know a thing about what makes a good movie” and also the “thinking with your dick” thing is just wrong.

MalàStrana said:

dkeighobadi said:
I’m guessing you’ve watched that viral video on “How TFA is worse than the Prequels”, which, whilst again having a few good points, irritates me greatly.

I haven’t watched this youtube video (if you understand french here is nevertheless a well made video to be watched, which is different than a video showing some bloke sharing his life and thoughts : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpx1yM7liLA).

What do they want?

Rey wants to leave Jakku and wants to be reunited with her family. Finn wants to leave The First Order and wants to fall in with a group of decent people and Kylo Ren wants to fully commit to the Dark Side and just like Leia, Han and Snoke wants to find Skywalker. Also Leia and Han want to bring their kid back from the abyss.

Why is this even a question?

What are their conflicts?

Rey desperately wants to be reunited with her family and at this point in borders on denial and when she touches Luke’s lighsaber and has her vision she wants no part in it largely because she was terrified of Kylo Ren. Finn is dealing with maintaining the lie he has made about him being in The Resistance and is trying to transcend his cowardice so that he can properly protect his newly found friends. Do I even have to go into what Kylo Ren’s conflicts are?

What have they learnt and what have they lost?

Rey learned she has a power beyond her understanding and that she must get training to focus her power and she has lost a father figure. Finn has learned that even though he felt he had nothing to fight for initially, his companions are all that he needs to press on and he lost his…uh spine. Leia learned that her son is beyond redemption.

Rey, on the other hand, never makes a single strong decision:

I think Rey going off to get training from Luke is a pretty strong decision. I mean that will effect the entire outcome of the trilogy…

what family ? who are they ?

We’re not supposed to know yet…

why doesn’t she try to search them since she so good at blah blah blah

Maybe because out of millions of habitable worlds it would be advantageous to stay on the one planet you know with absolute certainty your parents know you’re on.

understanding the network door system in seconds of a ship when has never seen before ?,

She also let out the Rathtars and almost killed everyone but I guess you think she planned that out right?

Sorry Frink.

STAR WARS
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of The Jedi
The Force Awakens

I mean if you need the prequels in there you could do the machete order with prequel fanedits.

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

I was 13 in 1986. Get off my e-lawn.

That would have been a great year for you if you were a metalhead. Reign In Blood, Darkness Descends, Master of Puppets, Obsessed By Cruelty and Pleasure To Kill all came out that year.

Pass.

To each their own mate 😃

ZkinandBonez said:

Well they’ve started shooting and people have already started to prepare Dubrovnik for a coming shoot there, so I don’t really see how there could be any serious script rewrites currently in the works.

The rumor came out last month so it’s possible seeing as how shooting just started 2 weeks ago.

DominicCobb said:
Rewrites have definitely been happening, especially with the audience reaction to TFA informing what is/isn’t working in regards to the stories and characters. The question is simply how much has been rewritten, and whether that’s something to worry about. I’d say probably not too much and definitely not.

If so I hope that the rumor that the new character’s roles will be shrunk in favor of giving our new trio more screen time is true. I also hope that there are less parallels to the OT in Episode VIII. Training and Rey losing are pretty much all I want to be “rehashed” from ESB.

darth_ender said:

such as more Snoke/Ren conversation about Vader

I was hoping this was a deleted scene…it makes Snoke seem much more intelligent than he seems in TFA. Not only that anything that developed their relationship further would be a good thing which is something I felt could have been done better.

The rumor that there was a script rewrite is just a rumor right?

I forgot Epicus Doomicus Metallicus came out that year as well.

TV’s Frink said:

I was 13 in 1986. Get off my e-lawn.

That would have been a great year for you if you were a metalhead. Reign In Blood, Darkness Descends, Master of Puppets, Obsessed By Cruelty and Pleasure To Kill all came out that year.

Dat_SW_Guy said:
First, the stabbed death was similar to Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan.

Not really. For one there was no lightsaber duel in TFA between Han and Kylo Ren. Secondly, Han tried to bring Kylo Ren home; no such attempts were made in either duel in TPM or STAR WARS. Lastly, Obi-Wan literally sacrificed himself and was decapitated, Qui-Gon was overpowered by Maul and stabbed in the gut and Kylo Ren tricked Han and stabbed him. If you want to break it down to “Old man gets killed by baddie” sure but any sort of observation leaves no doubt as to how different Han’s death was from Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan’s end.

The Starkiller trench run:
It did what Episode IV and VI had done, hit the missile-thing into the port, two people fight, Michael Bay explosions, TIE Fighters, Base explodes, all end goes well except that Han did make it, same with Obi-wan. Just recycling a iconic scene does not make it iconic.

Starkiller Base sucks ass. We all know this

Han Solo and Luke Skywalker as “masters”:
This happens exactly like Episode IV and V, Luke’s old master was Obi-wan, but resorts to Yoda after Ben died, so obviously the same

Father figure =/= mentor in The Force

Rey’s Origins:
When we first saw Rey, she was in Jakku, exactly like Tatooine, Looking at the horizon, exactly like Luke did, except that Rey just licked a plate.

Their origins are similar yet different seeing as how Rey is a scavenger and not a farm boy. She is totally isolated and has to fend for herself unlike Luke. She was left by her parents and is needlessly anticipating their return to the point of being in denial while Luke just wants to join the Rebellion.

Also there is a great mystery about Rey…I think the revelation about her true origins will change our perceptions.

dkeighobadi said:

TV’s Frink said:

You are giving the other teenagers here a bad name.

I’m 17, so how dare you LordHaseo.

I couldn’t even tell. Keep doing you 😉

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:
I’m a sucker for a good romance so no. I would prefer a romance if done well but you’re entitled to not want one. I don’t really see why but whatever.

Well I like good romance too. But PT could benefit from its absence.

I think it could benefit more if it had a good one but to each their own I guess.

MalàStrana said:
“TFA is fucking awesome. No edit ideas beacuse it’s so fucking perfect I would even have sex with the blu ray set”.

I apologize for calling you a troll earlier because I have seen the light. You’re not a troll; you’re most likely a teenager. The general lack of forethought before spewing nonsensical “points” was an indication but this is more damning evidence. I’ve even debated with a lot of people in your age group about Star Wars on youtube (I guess you can say mine too because I’m only 21) and the way in which you carry yourselves is so similar it’s depressing.

MalàStrana said:

What’s the point in replying in this thread if you think this movie is perfect ? I really wonder… SW fans are really the worst (along with Zack Snyder fans 😃).

Lord Haseo said: I mean I have problems with the film and in general I tend to nitpick but you’re trying way WAY too hard to find faults with the film

Just going to leave this here…

SW fans are really the worst

Ironically the traits you’ve exhibited ITT are why we’re hated.

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

I edited the post and I hope that no one who was interested in watching the show was spoiled because I gave into my frustration.

Why anyone would be frustrated by this subject is beyond me.

…I was referring to not being able to use a spoiler feature.

MalàStrana said:

Lord Haseo said:

MalàStrana said:
If possible it would be cool to remove the inappropriate and unfunny humor (especially during Poe/Ren scenes)

Even Reti4 liked that…

Then ? If you like your main vilain in a movie be ridiculous in the opening scene (à la Grievous…), that’s your call.

Elaborate please. It seems as though you’re saying stuff is bad and not even giving a reason for it. Bosk and Smoking Lizard at least tried to give rationales to some of their more “out there” opinions.

I call it lame dialogues, and it builds absolutely nothing for any character involved in it (Finn’s backstory is already well established). It’s tv series storytelling, and I hate that.

It’s not doing so much with the characters as it is building the world in which the story takes place. That’s the point of the interaction

Because it’s stupid and it removes the political depth of the First Order

I’m not sure what the shit that is supposed to mean but it makes them seem more haneous and it gives a disturbing parallel to how the Jedi used to get their chosen students

Soviets and nazis believed in something, First Order stormtroopers believe in… nothing

They believe in the ideals of The Empire…because they’re a remnant of The Empire…I’m starting to think you’re a troll.

Not really: when one of your favorite character is introduced in such a lame way, I’m not nitpicking at all.

“Chewie, we’re home” is as appropriate of a line as it gets but whatever.

There is no point in waiting

Yes there is. It’s called having all of the facts before rendering judgement. I know the meme culture frowns upon that but way back when that’s what a majority of people did.

I think everyone can understand she had some kind of Jedi training when she was 5 or 6 yo

If they go down the Darth Revan mind wiping route from Knights of The Old Republic her being left as a child could be a false memory. She could have been left on Jakku when she was much older. But I’m going to wait before I even form an opinion

Rey is the worst main character ever written in the saga

How did you forget about Ani so fast? Also again you’re being premature. We’ve gotten an entire trilogy with Luke and Anakin and we’ve gotten only 1/3 of one with Rey. If we were to based our opinions on Luke in ANH alone most people would look at him with disdain.

IMHO the guy looks like a dick when he does his donald duck things

I think that’s the point but sure.

There is even a joke to make fun of him when he does that

If you were one of those Storm Troopers you probably would have left too. I know I would have.

but this character is layered with teen movie characterization

Elaboration needed…again.

“Who’s the boss now ?”

I’d remove that line. Makes him seem kind of like a spaz but then again there’s room for his character to grow.

“Do you have a boyfriend” stuff is also painful.

He probably has never flirted with a girl before in his life…what else would you expect?

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:
Why does everything need to be so grand? What about a realistic scenario: Anakin simply had sex with some random girl. No boring romance, no reason to be mentioned and ESB plot twist is preserved for people who watch it in I-VI order.

I mean him being with Padme and him fucking a random chick are both realistic scenarios. People do get in relationships in real life…Don’t they?

That’s why I suggested an implied romance in my other post. Subtle nods here and there that indicate Anakin and Padme might be having sex or might be in a relationship. In Episode II or III Padme is preggers and Anakin is no where near that because he’s either still fighting in the Clone Wars or because he’s joined with Palpatine in destroying the Jedi Order. That way the twist isn’t outright told but the hints are there. Just like how the hints are there that the Ice Truck Killer is connected to one of the main characters in Dexter.

How about Padme not existing and no romance crap at all?

I’m a sucker for a good romance so no. I would prefer a romance if done well but you’re entitled to not want one. I don’t really see why but whatever.

I edited the post and I hope that no one who was interested in watching the show was spoiled because I gave into my frustration.

I tried to find out how to add the spoiler thing but to no avail. If you know how to feel free to post it so I can edit my post.

imperialscum said:
Why does everything need to be so grand? What about a realistic scenario: Anakin simply had sex with some random girl. No boring romance, no reason to be mentioned and ESB plot twist is preserved for people who watch it in I-VI order.

I mean him being with Padme and him fucking a random chick are both realistic scenarios. People do get in relationships in real life…Don’t they?

That’s why I suggested an implied romance in my other post. Subtle nods here and there that indicate Anakin and Padme might be having sex or might be in a relationship. In Episode II or III Padme is preggers and Anakin is no where near that because he’s either still fighting in the Clone Wars or because he’s joined with Palpatine in destroying the Jedi Order. That way the twist isn’t outright told but the hints are there. Just like how the hints are there that the Ice Truck Killer is connected to one of the main characters in Dexter.

MalàStrana said:

TV’s Frink said:
The one that made me laugh was the crawl one. I guess you haven’t seen ROTS.

Hum… yep, I can agree on this one: so it’s a share title. Both have lame opening scrawl.

I’m pretty sure when the hype goes down people will start to think that TFA is not that great

It’s been 2 months dude. The hype has gone down and a lot of people still like it. Stop projecting.

MalàStrana said:
If possible it would be cool to remove the inappropriate and unfunny humor (especially during Poe/Ren scenes)

Even Reti4 liked that…

the ridiculous “fan service” elements “oh, you’re General Han Solo !”

Did you miss the point of that interaction? Rey believes that Han was a smuggler and Finn believes he was a General. It established that where you live in the Galaxy determines what your view on history is. It’s not fanservice at all; it’s something we call world building.

and most of “Jar Jar” Finn characterisation (this character is so stupid… why isn’t he killed ?)

This has the sweaty smell of 4chan all over it.

The same goes with the line establishing that stormtroopers are conditioned kids who hence don’t join the Empire by choice.

Why? Just why?

his terrible line “Chewie, we are home” is also something to definitely cut

I mean I have problems with the film and in general I tend to nitpick but you’re trying way WAY too hard to find faults with the film

Saddly it seems impossible to cut the terrible “Rey’s Jedi Mind Trick found in your magic pocket because the script needs you to use it now” scene

Can’t you kids wait until Rey’s full origins are reveled before jumping to conclusions? Is that too much to ask for?

Most of Kylo Donald Duck Ren characterisation should also be removed in order to let the main villain look like a real threat and not a whining piece of shit kid who’s mad a his parents for grounding him.

Very potent meme my friend.

On a serious note Kylo Ren’s violent outbursts distinguishes him from every Dark Sider we’ve seen thus far and makes perfect sense considering he hasn’t completed his training in the Dark Side so he wouldn’t know how to reserve his anger for times it can be used more effectively. Furthermore, his outbursts makes him seem more unpredictable which adds a level of fear that can’t be attributed to the cold and calculating Darth Vader.

The deleted scene explaining the political background really needs to be reinstalled.

I have been purposefully avoiding any details on the deleted scenes until I saw them in person but if a scene such as this was deleted it needs to be reimplemented into the film for sure.

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

PT would be far better off without any romance.

There would have to be at least implied romance. Luke and Leia have to be born somehow.

Not every dot had to be connected, which Lucas completely failed to understand.

When it comes to shit like how C3P0 came into being sure I see something like how Luke and Leia being born as something that needs to be connected. Perhaps not in the way that it was done in the PT but to completely omit their existence would have been strange.

imperialscum said:

PT would be far better off without any romance.

There would have to be at least implied romance. Luke and Leia have to be born somehow.