Lord Haseo

By seduced I mean that Palpatine showed Anakin how powerful he could become with the aid of the Dark Side. NOT him telling Anakin he could save his wife and then immediately after Anakin betrays the Jedi he says “To cheat death is a power only one has achieved but if we work together I know we can discover the secret” even though he said 30 seconds prior “I have the power to save the ones you love”

DuracellEnergizer said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

Kylo Ren, while his story is very similar to Darth Vader’s, is one of the greatest villains of all time and the best Star Wars villain.

Urge to drink … rising.

I’m as obsessed with Kylo Ren as much as the next shut in but he has a long way to go until he reaches anything close to that mantle. Lets at least wait until Episode VIII (once he completes his training and all that) before we start hailing him.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:
Because the new order is only ~30 years old and as TFA explains, Luke failed in his first attempt to train a new generation of Jedi.

Ok, but in my hypothetical he does succeed in training Jedi. You could say Kylo Ren just split off and joined the Knights of Ren. And 30 years is more than enough time to have a few Jedi Knights and even low level Masters.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Lord Haseo said:

• Fully established Jedi Order with Rey as a student

That would be boring.

Not if the characters are written well. Also what would be boring about a bunch of Jedi and a bunch of Dark Side Warriors clashing?

EDIT:

Also why should there only be a few Jedi like in the OT?

• Fully established Jedi Order with Rey as a student
• No superweapon
• No mcguffin in droid
• Have Poe (or some other new character) be a double agent for the First Order

And to be honest other than the mcguffin being put in a droid and SKB TFA’s mirroring of the OT seemed more like using it as a back drop to tell a new (but vaguely familiar) story.

We’re working on the hypothetical that he would have great dialogue and the plot would be good which could mean he would have a more substantial role in the film.

Let’s not forget about Samuel and Ewan. I bet even Hayden would have gave a pretty good performance had the circumstances been optimal.

Radar Rider said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Radar Rider said:

ROTS is my favorite of the six movies (I have not yet seen TFA, I am waiting for the Blu-ray).

Why?

And IMO EpIII more or less did an excellent job of filling in that backstory.

I think the fact that Anakin was tricked (instead of seduced) into becoming a Sith Lord invalidates the entire film. That’s just me though.

Seems appropriate considering what today is.

In all honesty how much did we have to know about them though?

Other than the treaty there is no need to delve into the nuEU.

Well if he knows Battle Meditation that can turn the tides of things. Also we don’t know how powerful Luke has become so for all intents and purposes he could be just as strong as he was in the EU. I mean, he’s strong enough to put a scare into Supreme Leader Snoke.

Interesting points about the PT soundtracks but even when I listen to songs from the OT soundtracks I try my best to just think of it as just music. No attachment to Star Wars at all goes into my mind when listening to them.

I also want to revise my list:

1. ESB
2. STAR WARS
3. TPM
4. ROTJ
5. ROTS
6. TFA
7. AOTC

Other than Across The Stars and the chase scene with the assassin there are no real stand out tracks as opposed to TFA which has many now that I’ve had time to watch the film a few times and have listened to the soundtrack periodically. Attack on The Jakku Village (my personal favorite), Rey’s Theme, Snoke, Torn Apart and The Jedi Steps among a couple others just do it for me in a way AOTC’s soundtrack couldn’t.

Tyrphanax said:
He believed he killed Padme, though. And we don’t yet know if he ever found out that the Emperor lied to him.

He found out in one of the Vader comics. Well he found out he had a son; I don’t think it would be too much of a leap to assume Palpatine lied to him about that too. Also Vader was tricked into being a Sith whereas (at this point) Kylo was actually seduced. Darth Vader knowing he had been had by The Emperor was surely instrumental in him rebelling against him.

He’s definitely still going to feel the lure of the light side.

It’s possible but there is this line that leads me to believe he won’t. All of these lines in some form or another is in TFA though some of them obviously were spoken without his mask. All them except “I’m immune to the light”. It’s possible he will still feel a pull but if he does it will be relatively weak. Maybe he’ll feel it when he defeats Rey and in turn gives her a chance to escape.

May I ask why? The best music in the PT soundtracks rivals that of the best Williams made for the OT. I can understand as to why someone would say don’t watch the PT but equating the music to shit just because the movies are is kind of ridiculous.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Quality content

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Screw Matt the radar technician; this should be canon.

I feel as though this one will be more sensible than he who should not be named.

But Anakin has never killed a family member. He never killed Padme (well directly) and he wasn’t able to kill Luke. Kylo through great strife was still able to kill Han.

Also a big difference between the two is that Kylo Ren is sick in the head whereas Anakin was a pompous ass with anger issues. Kylo Ren talks to the brunt helmet of his long dead grandfather and he speaks about himself in 3rd person. And do we even have to go into his violent outbursts? This man needs help and that can be a deciding factor as to whether he stays in the darkness or not.

I think the weakness he felt is only going to be a temporary thing. If they show his training Snoke will probably mention it and by the end of his training any guilt he will have felt will be gone. This isn’t the first time guilt has weakened someone who was of the Dark Side. Also due to his defeat by Rey (though circumstance lead to her victory) will feed his hatred and in turn will feed his yearning for the Dark Side.

He wants to be the badass in black armour like his grandpappy, but I don’t think he’s got it in him.

I mean he killed Han. That shows a willingness to fully commit to the Dark Side.

I think he’s just a scared, confused little boy like Rey said.

But who says he can’t evolve? That he can’t change like Luke did in the OT?

Saw it last night. Put a new standard on fan films.

Tyrphanax said:
I think people just wanted a Darth Vader copy (which you know people would have complained about)

I’ve been saying this for a while but I’m glad someone else has said it. Unfortunately a decent percentage of people who dislike Kylo Ren would never admit such a thing.

As it pertains to the character/villain himself Kylo Ren is definitely one of my favorite characters in the Star Wars Universe. Shocking, I know but he is certainly the most layered villain we have seen thus far in the films. Vader was a bad person who had the capacity for good (which was brought out by his interactions with Luke). Kylo Ren on the other hand is a good person who is willing himself to be evil. That makes his inner conflict the more believable of the two in my opinion. I don’t think he’ll be turning back to the light (at least not in this trilogy) because I think he had his arc in TFA and he chose to delve into the path of darkness whereas Vader chose to embrace the good in him. That in conjunction with his growing lunacy is going to turn him into a monster when he completes his training under the Supreme Leader.

darthrush said:
6.cut out all of Lando and Hans conservation. In this edit, they kind of go their separate ways in the alliance and their relationship is somewhat broken. Their hangar conservation is cut out too to support this view in the edit.

So I’m assuming you’re going to cut out the line during the Battle of Endor where Lando says “Come on, Han, old buddy, don’t let me down.”

John Doom said:
while in that TFA’s scene he’s clearly not

That’s not true. When he tells one of them “I didn’t make a deal with Kanjiklub” not only does he have a semi scared look on his face, the tone of his voice also has a hint of fear in it.

It seems too much to me for his character, though I guess it makes for a good laugh.

Well how I see it not the traits he’s exhibiting is indicative of all 3 traits he would show in the OT. I had almost forgotten about how he literally threw a guy into the path of a Rathtar. But it seems as though we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
I guess they were more for a comedy scene than for character consistency, which is something not everyone liked (including myself), but it’s not a crime either.

I think him trying to worm his way out of a situation like he did in STAR WARS and like he did in Return of The Jedi is consistent with his character. They opted to do both and I think it worked fine.

By consistent with SW you mean him being a cold-blooded cowboy, and consistent with ROTJ being playful?
If so, I say he’s clearly not cold-blooded in TFA

No I mean him trying to talk his way out of a situation. He’s not supposed to be cold blooded because him going from a cold blooded and selfish person with a good heart to an actual good person was his arc in the OT

I remember him being either serious or playful yet scared to death in that kind of situations throughout the trilogy.
Which scenes are you referring to? I could be wrong, but as I said I don’t feel there’s much consistency with Han’s character in that scene.

Han Solo: Together again, huh?
Luke: Wouldn’t miss it.
Han Solo: How we doin’?
Luke: Same as always.
Han Solo: That bad, huh?

C-3PO: His high exaltedness, the Great Jabba the Hutt, has decreed that you are to be terminated immediately.
Han Solo: Good, I hate long waits.
C-3PO: You will therefore be taken to the Dune Sea, and cast into the pit of Carkoon, the nesting place of the all-powerful Sarlaac.
Han Solo: Doesn’t sound so bad.
C-3PO: In his belly you will find a new definition of pain and suffering as you are slowly digested over a thousand years.
Han Solo: On second thought, let’s pass on that, huh?

MalàStrana said:
the more some people are trying to defend the worst parts of this movie, the dumber it goes…

Even if you disagree with my points I think trying to make an argument is far better than just being condescending. Though I’d rather someone else try to make your points for you. Saves me the trouble of trying to decipher your statements.

John Doom said:
I guess they were more for a comedy scene than for character consistency, which is something not everyone liked (including myself), but it’s not a crime either.

I think him trying to worm his way out of a situation like he did in STAR WARS and like he did in Return of The Jedi is consistent with his character. They opted to do both and I think it worked fine.