Lord Haseo

Liked them but was not too entertained.

mfastx said:

Lord Haseo said:
And the destruction of the Republic Fleet. That’s going to play a big role in the rest of the ST. I’m glad that it’s gone but at the very least it’s going to impact things in the future.

It just seemed to me that blowing up the new republic and the entire fleet (like they would all just happen to be parked at that planet anyway) was just an excuse to go back to the way the OT was: a small band of people fighting a powerful enemy. We’re basically where we were at after ANH.

Kind of but not really. Sure The Resistance doesn’t have much but The First Order didn’t have nearly as much soldiers and weaponry as The Empire did and that was even before the destruction of Starkiller Base. If anything it’s more equal than it was in the OT.

Considering how bad of an ending ROTJ had I’m glad they made sequels just on that basis alone. Never mind that it’s possible however unlikely that the ST could be better than the OT.

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John Doom said:
So it was possible. I just wish they’d kept trying going into that bold direction for the ST.

You’re acting like we’re not getting 2 sequels. There’s more than enough time for bold stories to be told.

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:
It’d just end up being a second set of prequels I’d end up ignoring.

What if they were really good?

Then I’d ignore them while still recognizing their merits (like TCW).

I’d be okay with this. It’s still kind of weird but whatever.

I still don’t see that as a viable excuse for not liking something without watching it in it’s totality and forming an opinion of your own. Not in 2016, but maybe when Star Wars wasn’t so expansive.

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:
It’d just end up being a second set of prequels I’d end up ignoring.

What if they were really good?

But…but…it’s not the OT.

darklordoftech said:

has a gravelly voice

Palpatine didn’t have a gravely voice in the OT. I’m not even sure why they changed his voice slightly after Mace melts his face off in ROTS.

As for him being mysterious he’s supposed to be that way in TFA. Did you expect for them to lay out his entire backstory in the film? Also his backstory and further development of him as a character could differentiate him from Palpatine quite a bit.

Seems like Maul vs Vader is an absolute certainty. Maul is certainly going to lose but I doubt he’ll die.

IsanRido said:
And again, just because they were slightly important in the first film, there’s no reason to feature them again other than “Hey cool! It’s CP30 and R2D2!”.

R2 fixes the hyperdrive in ESB and C3P0 kind of helps the crew from being eaten by Ewoks in ROTJ. So they serves some kind of role after STAR WARS.

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mfastx said:
The only thing that doesn’t happen is the destruction of the utterly pointless Hosnian system.

And the destruction of the Republic Fleet. That’s going to play a big role in the rest of the ST. I’m glad that it’s gone but at the very least it’s going to impact things in the future.

John Doom said:
I simply meant changing the empire with stuff typical of the Cold War imaginary (ideologies, spies, information control, rogues).

The more I’m reading your ideas on the subject the more I’m liking it though it would be a bit too different for a lot of people. Especially casual fans. Which is a shame because more complex plot lines than what was in the OT with characters that are imbued with moral ambiguity would be a step up in my opinion.

I like your idea a lot too, which also reminds me a bit of KOTOR2. Imagine the main characters/viewers being initially told the Force Sensitives are the plague which once brought war in the galaxy: it could’ve led to a very interesting and original plot 😉

Thank you. There would still be Jedi vs Dark Siders but the added threat of non Force Sensitives using Ysalamiri against practitioners of The Force would lead to some tense moments and a sense of evolution that TFA is lacking. And this is coming from the guy who rates it an 8.3/10

Darth Lucas said:

Lord Haseo said:

Darth Lucas said:
Umm… Yes? Why else would you? If I’m throwing away 17 minutes of my life, I want to get something out of it beyond “it looked cool”. It’s no different than watching any short film except it’s in the Star Wars universe.

There’s not much plot you can get out of a 17 minute fan film and still have it be entertaining. Now if it were a long one and it had no story I would understand.

Are you kidding? Clearly you’ve never seen a good short film. Some of the best stories I’ve seen have been told in less than ten minutes with no dialogue.

Post one then.

Darth Lucas said:
Umm… Yes? Why else would you? If I’m throwing away 17 minutes of my life, I want to get something out of it beyond “it looked cool”. It’s no different than watching any short film except it’s in the Star Wars universe.

There’s not much plot you can get out of a 17 minute fan film and still have it be entertaining. Now if it were a long one and it had no story I would understand.

John Doom said:
Not necessarily, there’s no need for more exposition than there’s in ROTJ (again, think of James Bond films, like Goldeneye, which have just the right amount of expositions without feeling slow).

Exactly how much of this stuff do you want there to be in this hypothetical Episode VII? It seems as though not much because if you wanted to have it in abundance there would be an effect on the pacing but if it were minimal it wouldn’t do much hard.

I see what you mean. If conflicts are an asset in SW to you

I’m sure it’s an asset to every one. It’s called Star Wars for a reason you know.

So, you could start the trilogy with similar wars, but in space. These conflicts then could escalate in a crisis between the superpowers and, in the final movie, bring to a galactic war and its final solution. It’s definitely possible.

This I like so much as the espionage stuff doesn’t detract too much from fire fights, space battles, the servants of the Lights vs the servants of the Dark etc. The espionage would have to be next to nil in Episode IX though.

with different kind of conflicts and enemies

What types of new enemies would you have in mind? I’ve been toying with an idea of having all of the non Force Sensitives hunt down those who use The Force because the galaxy is tired of the wars they bring upon them.

suspiciouscoffee said:

This just in: Daisy Ridley confirmed to not be a real woman, is instead a shape-shifting martian from the future and therefore is a fake woman.

If that were true I’d be even more attracted to her…as if that’s possible.

Lord have mercy.

IsanRido said:
-No “landing after coming our of hyperspace”, it’s enough with the recycled OT moments, why insert an unused concept from TPM?

Because it never made it into the film thus it would feel new to most people. Hell I didn’t even know it was an unused concept. It hasn’t actually been done so why not?

John Doom said:

Expositions on the plot can be as long as in ROTJ’s briefing scene (which didn’t affect its overall pacing), there’s no need for waits and conversations longer than there were in the OT.

If you’re going to have espionage scenes and a lot of exposition spread throughout the film it will effect the pacing.

Why do you say it would make more sense in a prequel novel?

Because in real life the Cold War could have resulted in a savage species ending conflict. If war did erupt the Cold War would have been seen as the prelude to it. Also STAR WARS and TFA both start in the thick of it; the only film/s that fixated on what started the war was TPM and most of AOTC.

wasn’t half of SW’s plot about Leia being a spy and Obi-wan’s mission to bring the stolen data tapes to the Rebellion?

You’re right but there was a full blown war still going on and the movie changes direction after Alderaan explodes. It seems as though you want the film to go even further than that which will detract for the other aspect of Star Wars.

TV’s Frink said:

Darth Lucas said:

I don’t understand the hype over this fan film. I mean sure it looked cool, but there wasn’t much of a story. It was basically twenty minutes of highly choreographed fighting.

Thank you for letting me know to not bother with this, as was my original impulse.

Wait, you would actually watch a 17 minute fanfilm for the plot?

John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

Because it would call for slower pacing which are fine for books but doesn’t translate as well in terms of film. Still a great idea though.

Pacing only comes down to the director’s taste. You can totally have both espionage and fast pacing in movies (think of every James Bond film).

That works for that franchise, but there are other factors in SW films that need to be adhered to and blending them together so that the espionage is substantial could be troublesome. Also again I think this would work better as a book due to the fact that they’ll be longer waits for things to happen, sneaking around more exposition, long drawn out conversations etc. Also the aspect of a Cold Wars sounds like something that would happen in a prequel novel rather than an actual Star Wars film.

Because it would call for slower pacing which are fine for books but doesn’t translate as well in terms of film. Still a great idea though.

John Doom said:

If the OT is “WWII in space”, they could’ve built the new trilogy as the “Cold War in space”, with two factions remnants of the old Republic as the “superpowers”. In staying true to this Cold War setting, we would’ve had less battles between armies, but more espionage and information control, leading to a completely different kind of plot and scenes from the OT.

I think this would work better as a prequel novel.

Yeah even as someone who’s interested in that kind of stuff I think he goes overboard with it at times. But it usually doesn’t detract from the overall experience. But who knows maybe he’ll have it to where it’s basically nonexistent this time around.

Unfortunately we’ll have to wait for it to be released digitally and even then guessing by some of the comments it’ll still take a while for them to make it.

ray_afraid said:

I didn’t hate TFA, but there’s plenty to Plinkett about.

Absolutely there is; I cant wait for him to rip into Starkiller Base. I wish they would make a Plinkett review of ROTJ too because that movie debatably needs the Plinkett treatment even more.

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

ray_afraid said:
I had no idea who Palegeus was.

I don’t know the extent of your Star Wars knowledge but I’m sure anyone who has seen the PT recently would at least recognize the name.

Haven’t seen 'em in about 10 years. Won’t see 'em again.

Nobody cares about the PT and the ST has no need to contaminate it’s self with that crap.

Seeing as how James Luceno made Plagueis into a fantastic character it wouldn’t hurt to have him in the ST and if written right it would the Star Wars Saga all the better.

No idea who that is. And couldn’t care any less.

And liking some bad movies doesn’t entitle you to anything. :p

When the fuck have I ever said I liked the PT? Don’t put words in my fucking mouth man.

Liking decent movies doesn’t entitle you to anything either.
And it was a joke.
Calm down.

Ok to all of that.

ray_afraid said:
I had no idea who Palegeus was.

I don’t know the extent of your Star Wars knowledge but I’m sure anyone who has seen the PT recently would at least recognize the name.

Nobody cares about the PT and the ST has no need to contaminate it’s self with that crap.

Seeing as how James Luceno made Plagueis into a fantastic character it wouldn’t hurt to have him in the ST and if written right it would the Star Wars Saga all the better.

And liking some bad movies doesn’t entitle you to anything. :p

When the fuck have I ever said I liked the PT? Don’t put words in my fucking mouth man.