Lord Haseo

MalàStrana said:
shitty SW movies

Oh, so you’ve seen it?

Decent trailer but damn am I disappointed that there was no Vader 😦

No, you should respect that somone has their own opinion but the opinion it’s self…no. If someone told me that in their opinion minorities were inferior or that pedophiles or serial killers weren’t evil (I know these are extreme examples) I would not respect those opinions at all.

Pretty good. Only real problem I have with it is that Rey isn’t an Ace pilot. She’s pretty good but she’s no Luke or Han

Dek Rollins said:

Lord Haseo said:

Remember that Star Wars is bigger than the films…

Haha… sure it is…

It is. Whether you want to ignore it or not is up to you.

DominicCobb said:

Another thing, I don’t want Rey, Luke, Kylo, and Snoke to be the only force users (though I don’t want a million like in the PT - one or two more could do).

It’d be interesting if Finn becomes force sensitive as well, though I don’t really mind either way.

Well we also have the Knights of Ren which is a completely new faction of Dark Siders and there is still a possibility that some of Luke’s students survived or that he took some new students with him to train on Planet Ireland.

Ghibili said:
So now it is time for you to be mister moral.

Well good for you.

You don’t have a shred of empathy in you…

Density said:
Well Rey going dark would also be a rehash of the Vader plot

Only if it’s done is exactly the same way. Remember that Star Wars is bigger than the films and in many Star Wars stories people fall to the Dark Side.

The whole “come to the Dark Side, we have cookies” thing has gotten stale.

Not if you factor in that Palpatine used the fear of loss to make Anakin his apprentice and in ROTJ Palpatine was pretty much just saying “Your friends will die” over and over again. We haven’t actually seen a proper “seduction” to the Dark Side in the films.

We also need our protagonist to remain the moral center. Be challenged, yes, and they don’t necessarily have to be goody two-shoes, but they shouldn’t go full blown evil. Rey should be like Luke in that regard.

Wouldn’t that be a rehash of Luke’s plot?

As for Kylo being redeemed, I don’t really want to see that either. Like you said it would be a rehash of Vader.

Only if he dies.

If they pulled it off very carefully that could actually be one parallel that works, in that it might tie everything together by making the theme of it never being too late for redemption the central theme of Star Wars.

I’m okay with poetry but there has to be a different reason for him turning and his redemption moment would have to be different from Vader’s.

But surely there still could be a more interesting and unique direction to take his character. I’m just not sure what that would be.

Other than making him a Grey Force Wielder I can’t see anything entirely new they can do with him.

Ghibili said:

Lord Haseo said:

We don’t take kindly to 4chanesque behavior round here

That has not stopped Frink.

Being playful and occasionally being a penisbutt (something I’m also guilty of) is different from being offensive.

We don’t take kindly to 4chanesque behavior round here

Can I ask something? Why are a lot of people not liking the idea of Rey turning to the Dark Side? I think from the small glimpses of what we’ve seen of her angry and even considering her upbringing I think she has the prerequisites for a good Dark Sider.

On a smaller note why do a lot of people want Kylo Ren to be redeemed? I know Star Wars is supposedly about hope but it would be far more entertaining to see Kylo go further and further into darkness and madness. Also he get’s redeemed and dies it would be an overt rehash of Vader’s redemptive moment.

Please be longer than 30 seconds…also show Vader…or have his breathing be in it.

I suppose but if I were trying to get away from it all after my marriage failed and my son became evil I would ensure that there would be no way for anyone in Leia’s circle to contact me. I think this would work better if they were still married. This way you wouldn’t have to ask about “What if” this or “What about” that. And I don’t hate the idea of them still being together after Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side though it would be a good reason for them to split.

MalàStrana said:

ray_afraid said:

I’ve said it before, and I’m buzzed enough to say it again…
This place was way better before all these PT fans showed up.

Try to build a wall ?

And make the PT fans pay for the cost of construction.

John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

The script would have improved if Rey had stolen The Millenium Falcon from Han Solo during her escape from Jakku and Han Solo had tracked her down to retrieve his ship. . . .

Interesting, but why exactly would he be on Jakku?

What if Han himself were looking for the droid?
He might be informed by Leia of its position on Jakku and, since he already is in a near system, he decides to rescue it. If you add one day between the beginning of the movie and Finn meeting Rey, Han should have enough time to arrive by hyperspace and starting looking for the droid. Than you can have, for example, Han finally finding the droid, and Finn and Rey following him on the Falcon when the fighters arrive.

This would work if they’re still together.

TV’s Frink said:

I will again point out that this Scott guy thinks AOTC is a really good film, so I wouldn’t worry about his opinion on TFA.

Recently he said it was “decent” which is still indicative of someone with wildly unconventional opinions.

Scott109 said:

The opening crawl should have explained why the Republic lacked a standing army capable of defeating the First Order and had to covertly fund the Resistance.

They didn’t. They just didn’t want an all out war due to the treaty that was made post Battle of Endor. That should have been mentioned in the film though and not just in Aftermath.

Poe Dameron should have died in the crash landing on Jakku.

Why? Though underdeveloped he was a pretty good character and I would like to see him fleshed out in VIII and IX.

I dislike the idea of Han Solo losing the Millenium Falcon for so many years and then appearing out of nowhere as a Deus Ex Machina.

I do too but it’s a Star Wars film; plot conveniences are a trope in them.

Han Solo never thought he should put a tracking device on the Millenium Falcon in case it was lost or stolen?

Do you think it was luck that Chewie
and I found the Falcon? If we can
find it on our scanners, the First
Order’s not far behind. Want to get
BB-8 to the Resistance? Maz Kanata
is our best bet. - Han Solo

The script would have improved if Rey had stolen The Millenium Falcon from Han Solo during her escape from Jakku and Han Solo had tracked her down to retrieve his ship. . . .

Interesting, but why exactly would he be on Jakku?

There should be no superweapon. The goal of the story is to find Luke Skywalker. Inserting a third Death Star is irrelevant to the story.

Finn should not have been a janitor.

What else should he have been? Maybe someone who works on the First Order technology.

Rey should not have been able to perform a Jedi mind trick.

Luke shouldn’t have been able to deflect those bolts from the training droid with his view obstructed and he shouldn’t have been able to blow up the Death Star but they happen anyway because it establishes our protagonists are special.

The other characters should have had to rescue her

Well technically they kind of did seeing as how she would have had no way to escape had they not come for her.

Kylo Ren should not have taken off his mask in front of Rey

Would have made the moment when he takes off his mask stronger but if he knows her from the past then I’m alright with it.

Captain Phasma should not have disabled the shields without a fight. . . .

And what exactly could she have done when surrounded by 3 captors one of them being a Wookie? It’s not like she’s Force Sensitive or something.

Snoke should have a more menacing name

Yep

Why did C-3PO have a red arm? This is never explained. . . .

It didn’t need to be…

Kylo Ren should have defeated Rey, who should have barely survived. . . .

I agree though how they wrote Kylo Ren’s character (not fully trained, reckless and pompous) and the circumstances surrounding the confrontation I’m okay with how it went down.

I remember refuting most of the things in that rancid turd of a post. Good times.

OK, so we escape. Suddenly the new and improved First Order TIE fighters are two seaters.

^ this being the funniest criticism of them all.

“Come to me with Kylo Ren. It is time…to complete his training”- Supreme Leader Snoke

It’s pretty much a given…Though he was a great threat in TFA I would like to see him make strides towards being as strong as Vader. I would also like for him not to be injured before his next duel so his combat prowess can be accurately gauged.

towne32 said:
One thing that did catch my eye, though, is the line in the crawl: “With the support of the REPUBLIC, General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE.” Is that really the case? The relationship between the two was admittedly ambiguous in this film. And that’s something I’m less critical about after considering that the state of the senate is similarly mostly glossed over in the first Star Wars film.

Today is the end of the Republic!
The end of a regime that acquiesces
to disorder! At this very moment,
in a system far from here the New
Republic LIES to the GALAXY while
secretly supporting the treachery of
the loathsome Resistance. This fierce
machine which you have built, upon
which we stand, will bring an end to
the Senate! To their cherished fleet!
All remaining systems will bow to
the First Order! And will remember
this… as the last day of the
Republic! - General Hux

I think this tells all about the relationship.

Frank your Majesty said:
I think many people here who say it’s close or better than Jedi wouldn’t give TFA a much higher score than you did, they would just give Jedi a much lower score.

I can attest to this having TFA at an 8.2 and ROTJ at a 7.8

They’re still in the same ballpark

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

What’s funny is that Kylo said something to the effect of “No one has been able to get out of you…what you did with the map” which indicates that FO people interrogated him as well.

Those are the exact lines, so with the torture droid in mind, and Poe’s line “You might want to rethink your technique,” I think the implication is that he’s already been interrogated using the droid, and the scene is actually subtly showing Ren as bigger and badder than Vader in some respects (Vader just used the probe and failed, but when Ren uses the probe and fails, he moves on to something far worse and a lot more effective).

Also I think Vader can probe the minds of people but unlike Ren he can’t forcibly remove information when a target is resisting.

joefavs said:

SilverWook said:

There’s also the possibility that Rey was really angry and pissed off at Ren by that point, and was dipping her toe in the Dark Side, much like Luke did when he beat Vader in ROTJ. All the more reason she needs Luke to teach her now.

In the novelization she even hears a voice that’s implied to be Snoke’s telling her to finish Kylo off while he’s down. I think she’s definitely tapping into something not entirely wholesome in that scene.

I was just about to post the excerpt from that scene. Damn you lol

Well here is it anyway:

Kill him, a voice inside her head said. It was amorphous, unidentifiable, raw. Pure vengeful emotion. So easy, she told herself. So quick. She recoiled from it. From the dark side.

The reason ROTJ get’s flack is because of the Ewoks who kill the pacing and diminish the Empire due to them being a big reason in why they fall. Also Leia being Luke’s sister is universe shrinking but with the “I’ve always known” line makes their whole history almost nauseating. Furthermore they just made them siblings in order to resolve the love triangle so it doesn’t feel like a natural part of the story but rather a cop out. Luke’s temptation should have been a lot more than Palpatine saying “Your friends are going to die” a million and one times. And as shitty as SKB was Death Star 2.0 was a more overt rehash than that one. Lastly and most importantly imo the destruction of the Death Star and the loss of Vader and Palpatine shouldn’t have been the end of the war. With all the other ships, troops and Imperial Officers the war would have realistically gone on for years to come. But all that is thrown out of the window for a phony fairy tale ending.

EDIT:

Not saying it’s a bad film; it’s pretty good but it was a bad way to end the trilogy. Especially if it had been the last film in the saga.

That_OT_Ruler said:
It’s hardly audible. There isn’t one scene in the film where the music really helps it.

The music just doesn’t fit with what happens in the movie.

What about the scene where the Jakku Village is attacked? What about when Rey is going down that sand hill and her theme plays for the first time? What about the scene where she is abducted by Kylo Ren? Lastly, what about the Han death scene?

Though I agree with you in general there are exceptions.

What’s funny is that Kylo said something to the effect of “No one has been able to get out of you…what you did with the map” which indicates that FO people interrogated him as well.

Interesting find though.