Lord Haseo

JediExile said:
Once again though, the use of one word in a very specific situation can’t be applied to another situation like that.

Yes it can and it does. Why else would he say that when being put in a position where he has to fight or kill a loved one?

While the use of the word “seduced” might imply that’s how the First Order might view those who go back/fall to the light, it doesn’t tell us anything about Vader who is partially responsible for the necessity of a splinter group.

Maybe but then again in canon someone turning back to the light in such a circumstance has only happened in Vader’s case.

Do they hate him for it? Do they focus on his achievements? Do they deny his fall at all and blame the death of the Emperor on Luke? Is it just Kylo Ren that worships him? Why does Kylo Ren exactly worship him? Was it a moment of weakness or a definite betrayal?

Most of those questions don’t need to be answered unless you see every Storm Trooper or Imperial Commander having conversations about Vader or having Vader memorabilia everywhere. The only person who seems to have any admiration for Vader is of course Kylo Ren and it should be self explanatory why he worships Vader. If not read Lords of The Sith; Lord Vader was pretty much a god in his prime.

That’s perfectly fine and all, but that’s not what concerns me. Sure, the Republic supported the Resistance, but that doesn’t tell me why there is a Resistance.

“Their shadow is spreading across the galaxy” - Maz about the First Order

That’s why

That doesn’t tell me what happened to the Republic’s army.

This is something they could have explained. They also don’t mention the treaty at all which is pretty mandatory.

Gonna disagree about Rey. She’s not a Mary Sue

I never said she was a Mary Sue, I said “Call her a Mary Sue if you want” because even when I explain this kind of shit people still call her that anyway.

but that scene with her “struggling” to fly the Falcon was pretty much her having a rough takeoff and skimming the sand wasn’t much of a struggle.

So her almost crashing the ship before the flight began isn’t even struggling…are you serious? And her skidding across the ground along with her being hit a couple of time and the shots of her in the cockpit showing her struggling to fly the thing (in contrast to Han who had absolutely no struggle and flew into an asteroid field like it’s nothing) shows that she was having more than a hard time piloting the Falcon.

She still managed to escape from 4(?)

2

TIE Fighters with clever evasion skills,

Those clever evasion skills would have meant nothing had Finn not shot down the first TIE Fighter. Before then she got hit at least twice.

by flying through a hollowed out Star Destroyer with little room to move around in, and by flipping over the Falcon so the turret stuck in forward position and completely unable to move was able to perfectly align with the TIE Fighter chasing after them so Finn could shoot it down. That’s much more impressive in my opinion than anything Luke ever did in ANH with his X-Wing.

Well in my opinion the fact that Luke was able to get at least 2 kills and out maneuver pilots with far more experience is a more impressive feat than simply evading them so that your companion can destroy half of the opposition. Though I will admit that the lining up shot was amazing.

LThe most impressive thing he really did in that battle was land the shot at the end, but during a couple of moments before the Trench Run Obi-Wan guided him through the Force and like I said earlier Luke wasn’t exactly new to hitting 2 meter targets.

Targeting computers in a futuristic world couldn’t even hit that 2 meter wide mark. It was because of The Force. The throw away line about womp rats means nothing.

Also you can really just apply the “he/she just used the Force” argument to that moment while you can’t really to Rey doing a flip and lining a perfect shot up for Finn.

While an impressive feat Rey didn’t need to use The Force (just good timing) to do that whereas The Force was a necessity to blow up the Death Star because it was proven that regular means were ineffectual in hitting the 2 meter wide mark.

I actually agree too. But the plot would still probably rehash…oops I mean mirror things from the OT because poetry and craft a plot with interesting ideas that seems good in theory but makes no sense in execution. Also there would be boring characters with miscasted actors who won’t give their best performances because George is a shitty actor’s director. The special effects would be on par with TFA but there wouldn’t be as many real sets. Also there would probably be more things that ruin the mystique and continuity of the original trilogy (shit like midichlorians and having Padme die 2 seconds after child birth even though Leia remembers her) and wouldn’t even adhere to them.

I could come up with more but you get the point.

There could have been a new fighter or two but it wouldn’t make sense to not see any TIE Fighters or X-Wings because it’s only been 30 years not 100.

Also there was never an explanation for why A-Wings suddenly popped up. Had the ST done something like that the film makers would have been criticized for “lazy writing” and just wanting to make toys.

oojason said:
It was gutwrenching (no pun intended)

Don’t worry. Had I read the books before watching the show it would have been easier to stomach

Ironically I just listened to Massacre from Bathory so the circle is somewhat complete.

I can appreciate that kind of consistency 😉

I think as long as ships look cool and aren’t flying cubes it doesn’t matter much.

Yet if someone points out something like the fact that the Millennium Falcon’s cockpit shouldn’t really be on far side of the ship the implausibility in space craft in a movie doesn’t matter all that much.

Dek Rollins said:

Lord Haseo said:

We also have people complaining about TIE Fighters having two seats…

I remember being a part of that conversation, so for the record, I didn’t complain about the two seats, but rather that I thought the turret addition was kind of dumb; though, removing the turret would also eliminate the necessity of the second seat 😄. (Not as to say you were thinking of me, but I just thought I’d mention the other half of the argument)

That’s fine. It was Smoking Lizard who made the astute observation of the travesty that is TIE Fighters with 2 seats. Also you never pop in my mind when I’m thinking of people who make inane complaints about TFA 😃

nickyd47 said:
But seriously, I’ve seen these arguments before and they’re really dumb. People getting upset over the fact that a sequel has heavy similarities to its predecessor. If people really think that TFA sucks because it’s too similar to ANH then they must also hate ANH for being too similar to The Hidden Fortress

People complaining about the similarities aren’t even the “dumb” arguments against TFA. We also have people complaining about TIE Fighters having two seats, that there are too many shots of the Millennium Falcon and that TFA is the worst Star Wars movie because the characters get along with each other. And that’s a drop in the bucket compared to some of the other “criticism” I’ve heard regarding the film.

How I see it JJ and Lawrence used SW and the rest of the OT as a backdrop to tell a new but familiar story.

nickyd47 said:

(as Lord Haseo has been policing the TFA threads and repeating the same counter-arguments over and over again)

Maybe it’s because idiots keep repeating the same weak baseless arguments over and over again?

Are you me?

nickyd47 said:

I guess we’re not gonna stay original and we’re just gonna repeat stuff

To be fair he was right about me (along with a lot other users) having/using the same arguments over and over again.

Aww baby you say the sweetest things

Windows7Guy100 said:
That’s what I meant, Shaw is still the dying Anakin.

My bad.

nickyd47 said:
The only line in the film that I cringed at was Reys “I didn’t know there was this much green in the whole galaxy” bleh

It was kind of a stupid line in the fact that Takodana was just one planet but it added to the sympathy factor I already had for Rey. Plus it also added to the whole naivety thing they had going on for her.

nickyd47 said:

Lord Haseo said:

nickyd47 said:
I’m curious. I oversaw your statement on the voice acting being bad. This is the first time I’ve actually seen someone make such criticism so I am wondering. What parts of the film do you think feature poor
dialogue? Or do you think the whole film had bad voice acting?

You want me to dig up bad lines from the PT? Just pick at random lol

Wait, you weren’t talking about The Force Awakens? Whoops my mistake

Hell no. Outside of ESB, TFA has the best dialogue in the series. And in terms of acting TFA even outclasses ESB in that regard though I hold the contention that Mark performance is slightly better than Daisy’s. Though that may change with the Sequels.

nickyd47 said:
I’m curious. I oversaw your statement on the voice acting being bad. This is the first time I’ve actually seen someone make such criticism so I am wondering. What parts of the film do you think feature poor
dialogue? Or do you think the whole film had bad voice acting?

You want me to dig up bad lines from the PT? Just pick at random lol

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

whereas a lot of people shouting “rehash” do it and that’s it.

Well essentially it is a boring rehash and that’s it.

It’s more than just a rehash or a shot for shot remake (as some people have alluded to it being) but that’s not even the fucking point. People who think it’s a rehash should at least dress up their complaints more if they’re going to say literally the same thing over and over again. Makes people who mostly sound alike seem even more similar.

Windows7Guy100 said:

darklordoftech said:

imperialscum said:

This by far. The “Shaw was NEVER Anakin” revisionism really gets on my nerves. Hayden takes me out of what’s supposed to be the happy ending of everything.

He’s still the dying Anakin.

No

this is the dying Anakin.

People often go on about how the dialogue is shitty whereas a lot of people shouting “rehash” do it and that’s it. Very uninspired if you ask me. Also TFA supposedly being a rehash is a bigger problem than bad dialogue so it would have been better for you to use poor story/execution in the PT as an example. And even in that case people pick apart the plot and spell out why they think it’s shite.

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

I’ll give it a shot on the basis that you seem to want to talk about other problems with the film that aren’t discussed much or at all. I certainly need to hear some new criticisms because “rehash/remake/reboot” has gotten staler than 3 week old dog shit.

EDIT

1:36 minutes in and I think this is not the criticism video I was looking for lol

Agreed. The rehash argument is so old. There is some validity but for the most part I was fine with the elements it borrowed except Starkiller base. Everyone has made up their mind on how much the similarities bother them and I personally think for the most part I welcomed the similarities.

Yeah I can’t even tell you how many “TFA is a rehash and Rey is a Mary Sue” comments I’ve read since the film came out…

They needed to rekindle a new beginning for both the new characters and the audience. Episode 8 and 9 I believe don’t have this burden and further plot similarities would not be as welcome.

Exactly. Most people are mad that they catered to new fans as well as old. As if ushering in new Star Wars fans is a bad thing. It’s a bunch of entitlement is what that is.

But other gripes with the film are now of more interest for me to hear out.

It’s at least worth a listen just to hear something different. You might come away agreeing with some of his posts.

Double post

If anything VIII should be paced similar to ESB.

Did it never cross your mind to think that maybe Rey built the speeder or that she got it as a gift or in a game of chance?

Also the film never tries to suggest that Rey is emaciated? She’s slim, yes but the point of her introduction is that food is hard to come by; not that she’s starving to death…I’ll give this 5 more minutes.

EDIT:

Rey getting BB-8 to the Resistance Base is a short term objective. Easily doable within days if not sooner. Her working with Han as a First Mate would be a prolonged endeavor…there is no problem with her motivation in that regard.

MonkeyChicken said:

Lord Haseo said:

Well you might as well scrap this edit altogether since you shat on the only person who seemed interested…

I’m sorry for coming off as rude to him/her, and to everyone who posted on this thread because of that. I threw a post together real quick without thinking to much about it, and that was a big mistake. I’m still kind of new to posting of fourms in general, and I’m really enjoying it so far, but I’m still trying to get used to people not knowing what kind of emotion and points I’m trying to get across.

As long as you didn’t mean to came off as hostile it’s all good. Previewing a post and making the smallest of adjustments can give post a completely new feel 😃

I’ll give it a shot on the basis that you seem to want to talk about other problems with the film that aren’t discussed much or at all. I certainly need to hear some new criticisms because “rehash/remake/reboot” has gotten staler than 3 week old dog shit.

EDIT

1:36 minutes in and I think this is not the criticism video I was looking for lol