JoyOfEditing

jkimm said:

JoyOfEditing said:

jkimm said:

JoyOfEditing said:

FYI. I fixed the famous Leia Blank Shot from Return of the Jedi. If anyone needs it for their own work, PM me.

https://youtu.be/yDcM4pBM-5U

Great job! Have you done any other sfx fixes on these films?

Yes, and it’s all your fault: https://youtu.be/CZYrlnr4Yz4

Hahaha!

This looks really good. I’m still having an issue with the part around 2:06-2:12. Seems odd that Anakin hops onto the other conveyor that’s moving in the opposite direction of Padme. Cutting that bit makes Anakin’s struggle to catch her feel a little more frantic.

• Padme falls from platform and is quickly moved away.
• Anakin delays but jumps down to go after her.
• He gets held back when the Geonosians attack.
• Padme is able to quickly make it through the machine obstacle course.
• Anaking slowly follows by slicing through them.
• Padme gets pushed in the cauldron.
• Anakin notices but has to fend off more Geonosians.

I promise I’m not trying to be difficult 😁

You’re not being difficult! I love the feedback! It’s super helpful! (With that in mind PM me when you get a chance. I wanna run something “hush-hush” past you.)

Personally, I’d stick with what I have for Meta-Pacing reasons. I think you have a point about the spatial maneuverings being a bit wonky, but I reckon those stupid conveyors loop around so much that their direction at any given time doesn’t matter too much, as long as the overall idea of the scene lands.

jkimm said:

JoyOfEditing said:

jkimm said:

JoyOfEditing said:

O00ll00O said:

Just wait til we get to the Arena Battle. It’s gonna be Force Mad!

I know you said it’s something that you’re really proud of, so I can’t wait to see it!

FYI It’s live: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C-UtrN7ew7RJ46eIARA26fIql07RbBKF/view?usp=drive_link

I really like the pacing of the arena battle. Of course, I had to take a crack at it. Same order as yours but Anakin and Padme don’t ride the chariot (horrible sfx) and Dooku doesn’t stop the battle. Just about every scene has some type of trim.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19LF-MApgyiPyhRYUuEIE5UCClEeZ_q3w/view?usp=sharing

K got a chance to watch it through. I really like the idea of the LAAT’s coming in at the end of the battle without stopping. If there was more good footage building up that sequence, I think that idea could definitely work (Though I still prefer the original).

All in all, I would keep my version as it is for META-editing (edits across sequences/films) reasons. Here’s a couple of them.

-I need the fight to stop for a breath at Mace’s entrance and right before the LAATs fly in, because I speed up the beast wars. If those breaths are shortened it feels too frantic.

-The chariot sequence was originally in little pieces sprinkled throughout the arena battle, but I recut it all back together to make it “Romantic” in an Errol Flynn kinda way. Throughout all of Attack of the Clones, I reworked the romantic chemistry between Anakin and Padme to focused far more on the way they fight together, rather than the way they talk together.

-I try to leave 10-15% of the “Jank” in all of my STAR WARS recuts. If you make the films make too much sense and focus too much on continuity, they become sterile. So is “This Party’s Over.” a bit goofy? Yes! But it falls into that 10% “Jank” that needs to stay IMO.

Really enjoying your takes! I might take some time tomorrow to rework the droid factory one more time, because I think you’re on to something with the ending.

I meant to comment on this last week but was swamped with other stuff. There are a bunch of little trims in this you might appreciate.

• Cut unnecessary shot of the gang being surrounded - 0:12-0:15 (also works well with the music)
• Slightly trimmed beginning of Dooku turning around - 0:17 (so his reaction isn’t as delayed)
• Slightly trimmed before Twilek ignites lightsaber - 0:28 (looks like they’re standing around waiting for a queue)
• Trimmed first and last part of Windu jumping off balcony and landing on ground - 0:57. (speed up the pace, and bad sfx not as noticeable)
• Slightly trimmed right after Anakin ignites lightsaber and before he turns around to slice Obiwan’s handcuffs - 1:16 (less clunky)
• Cut Obiwan aggressively stabbing the Acklay in the head - 2:19 (doesn’t seem very Jedi-like)
• Cut Windu flipping over the battle droid, running away, and batting the laser - 2:24-2:29 (cartoony)
• Cut Windu running from the Reek - 2:40 (looks goofy)
• Inserted Jango getting up when Reek is pawing at the ground - 2:56
• Removed shot of Reek charging and knocking battle droid - 3:01 (cartoony)
• Cut Neimoidians - 3:26 (awkward)
• Cut Jedi screaming Haaaa!!! - 3:29
• Trimmed super battle droid punching the regular battle droid - 3:35 (cartoony)
• Slightly trimmed the end where Dooku and the gang observe the battle - 3:44 (goes on a little too long)
• Cut Yoda saying “around the survivors, a perimeter create” - 4:36
• Cut Twilek slowly getting into ship - 5:08
• Slight trim when Windu is standing around in the ship at the beginning of the shot - 5:15
• Cut Dooku on scooter - 5:45 (goofy)

Are you positively sure you don’t want to remove “You call this a diplomatic solution? No, I call it aggressive negotiations”? haha 😂

I get your reasoning behind all of those those alterations. That’s a very consistent way to cut the sequence. The reason I wouldn’t make any of those changes is that from my point of view STAR WARS needs a bit of “Cartoony Jankiness” in order to feel like STAR WARS. If you strip it back too far you end up with a serious SCI-FI epic that for my money is a bit too lifeless.

I actually generally start by making a lot of the cuts you’re suggesting, and then slowly fade a bit of the “bad rhythm” and “goofiness” back into the sequence. From my point of view, the “used universe” that STAR WARS is famous for, extents to the editing rhythm. You have to break the beat just enough so that it feels “real” in an indie kinda way, rather than a glossy music video.

Where the line is between too goofy and just goofy enough is all down to personal taste. In short I think all of your changes are more than valid. I just wouldn’t personally make them.

I’ll give one example as to why I keep something “goofy”, and you can apply this logic to the rest of your questions: I kept the “Aggressive Negotiations” line because I deleted the setup (The dinner scene), so this is now an original, bantery quip that Padme comes up with. To me that line is a good payoff to the conversation before the Droid Factory where Padme is adamant that she wants to “Find a Diplomatic Solution to this mess.” For my money, Anakin making fun of her sincerity, and Padme cheekily bantering back is right in line with the kind banter you see between Han and Leia in IV and V.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I will never be able to unsee Anakin’s lightsaber getting caught on his Jedi robes lol. The one scene where a physical lightsaber prop wasn’t the greatest idea if they were so insistent on him keeping them on.

Neither could I, lol! That’s why I fixed it. That cheeky little match cut at 2:28 is one of my proudest achievements as an editor.

Skybatman said:

anakin looks more badass in ur recut scene

That’s the idea. For my money what went wrong with the romance in Attack of the Clones, is that George simply got the mix wrong. Anakin is primarily a combo of these two sources:

James Dean from “Rebel Without A Cause” (Pay attention to the car chases and the melodramatic overacting): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWHH5TwEwtI

and Errol Flynn from the “Adventures of Robin Hood” (A lot of the swashbuckling action scenes and even the political machinations in AotC are inspired by this film): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcJk1uwAqjA

All I did in my recut of AotC is turn Anakin’s dial from 65-35 Dean/Flynn to 90-10. If Anakin is Romantic, Confident, and Suave in a classic action sense, Padme’s attraction makes as much sense as Olivia de Haviland’s forbidden love for Robin. . . George was soooo close to nailing it. It honestly drives me nuts! HE WAS SOOOO CLOSE!!!

FYI - In my recut of the Droid Factory from Attack of the Clones, I animated Anakin turning off his lightsaber in the Wide Shot instead of the Close Shot (Hal-9000’s version). If anyone wants that effects shot for their own use feel free to PM me.

You can see the full sequence here: https://youtu.be/CZYrlnr4Yz4

G&G-Fan said:

When is Tatooine part 2?

I’m hoping for the end of next week. My biggest work project of the year finishes this Saturday, so I’ll be getting back into the swing of releasing an editing episode every two weeks or so.

The scene for Tatooine Part 2 is already cut/recomposited. I just have to sit down and write/record the script, which hasn’t been possible the last month with 2/3s of my brain tied behind my back. 😉

jkimm said:

JoyOfEditing said:

FYI. I fixed the famous Leia Blank Shot from Return of the Jedi. If anyone needs it for their own work, PM me.

https://youtu.be/yDcM4pBM-5U

Great job! Have you done any other sfx fixes on these films?

Yes, and it’s all your fault: https://youtu.be/CZYrlnr4Yz4

FYI. I fixed the famous Leia Blank Shot from Return of the Jedi. If anyone needs it for their own work, PM me.

https://youtu.be/yDcM4pBM-5U

UPDATE: Here’s the footage in context with the first pass of Phase3’s restoration: https://youtu.be/rNbINBT88XY

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James.Quattro said:

Hello all! I wanted to try my own hand at the AotC Wizard Duel, so I whipped something up with my DVD copy in a few hours. It’s very rough, but I wanted to try to smooth things in the other cuts, like the Lightsaber sound over “this is just the beginning”. I think the implication from my cut is that Dooku was confident with Obi-Wan and Anakin, but facing Yoda he throws everything he has as fast as he can to get out of there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfC4EEVetMU

Also, I don’t like cutting Anakin’s “I am a slow learner” line because then we’d have to cut this scene(which is absolutely important to the canon):
https://youtu.be/M5MIhBsB50M?si=PHPoPYYUj4muCv8o&t=143

Anyway, just wanted to throw my hat into the ring. Everyone’s been doing really cool work here!

Okay, this made me laugh so hard! I wish the wizard battle had that kind on frenetic energy, lol! I don’t think there’s a way to make that vision work with the shots available, but man I enjoyed this!

I also like the way you had Yoda speak before he turns up. I personally wouldn’t go that route, but I think the idea does work in principle.

jkimm said:

JoyOfEditing said:

O00ll00O said:

Just wait til we get to the Arena Battle. It’s gonna be Force Mad!

I know you said it’s something that you’re really proud of, so I can’t wait to see it!

FYI It’s live: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C-UtrN7ew7RJ46eIARA26fIql07RbBKF/view?usp=drive_link

I really like the pacing of the arena battle. Of course, I had to take a crack at it. Same order as yours but Anakin and Padme don’t ride the chariot (horrible sfx) and Dooku doesn’t stop the battle. Just about every scene has some type of trim.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19LF-MApgyiPyhRYUuEIE5UCClEeZ_q3w/view?usp=sharing

K got a chance to watch it through. I really like the idea of the LAAT’s coming in at the end of the battle without stopping. If there was more good footage building up that sequence, I think that idea could definitely work (Though I still prefer the original).

All in all, I would keep my version as it is for META-editing (edits across sequences/films) reasons. Here’s a couple of them.

-I need the fight to stop for a breath at Mace’s entrance and right before the LAATs fly in, because I speed up the beast wars. If those breaths are shortened it feels too frantic.

-The chariot sequence was originally in little pieces sprinkled throughout the arena battle, but I recut it all back together to make it “Romantic” in an Errol Flynn kinda way. Throughout all of Attack of the Clones, I reworked the romantic chemistry between Anakin and Padme to focused far more on the way they fight together, rather than the way they talk together.

-I try to leave 10-15% of the “Jank” in all of my STAR WARS recuts. If you make the films make too much sense and focus too much on continuity, they become sterile. So is “This Party’s Over.” a bit goofy? Yes! But it falls into that 10% “Jank” that needs to stay IMO.

Really enjoying your takes! I might take some time tomorrow to rework the droid factory one more time, because I think you’re on to something with the ending.

jkimm said:

Excellent work adding that footage in. I love the idea of having more alien characters in the fighters. Unfortunately it makes the Mon Calamari on the freighter seem less special. Same thing with Niem Numb on the falcon. Too bad they didn’t dust off a Greedo or Ree-yees mask when filming those. I’m curious to see how this progresses

Yeah, it would have been awesome if there were even more aliens!

I actually don’t think the Sullustan and the Calamari pilots take away from Ackbar and Nien in the scope of the whole film, because we’ve already had several scenes featuring the hero characters in the build up to the battle. The other benefit of adding in the Calamari pilot as “Red 2” - is that you get a hotshot confident Mon Cal to cut against Ackbar’s fretting. (I’ve got “Red 2” kinda filling in the role Wedge played in the other OT films as the most featured secondary pilot.)

Yeah, still a good bit of work to do on the sequence. I need to fine tune the color grade, and Phase3 is working on a cleaning pass of the Alien shots to bring them in line with the rest of the footage. Now if I can just find someone to redub “Red 2”. . .

Bored at 3AM said:

I remember reading that there was a female pilot as well in that battle, but they were edited out because Lucas didn’t think America was ready to see women die in battle. Is there any footage of that available?

They shot quite a few female pilots, and one is actually in the film redubbed as a man: “Red 3” who gets blown up by two interceptors. I frankly don’t think the redub had anything to do with “watching a woman die in battle”, but rather the rushed state of Jedi’s production. (If you see the original footage it’s obvious that all of it was going to be redubbed.)

Here’s some of the female pilots footage: https://youtu.be/806P_lVgPM8?si=GmzCwY5wYZ0bq34t

I haven’t seen any color prints of the female pilots, because if I had, I would have found a way to cut “grandma” in, lol!

jkimm said:

JoyOfEditing said:

O00ll00O said:

Just wait til we get to the Arena Battle. It’s gonna be Force Mad!

I know you said it’s something that you’re really proud of, so I can’t wait to see it!

FYI It’s live: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C-UtrN7ew7RJ46eIARA26fIql07RbBKF/view?usp=drive_link

I really like the pacing of the arena battle. Of course, I had to take a crack at it. Same order as yours but Anakin and Padme don’t ride the chariot (horrible sfx) and Dooku doesn’t stop the battle. Just about every scene has some type of trim.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19LF-MApgyiPyhRYUuEIE5UCClEeZ_q3w/view?usp=sharing

Awesome! I’ll take a good look at it tomorrow. In the meantime, you can tell me everything I did wrong over here 😉: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Its-Not-a-Trap-Calling-all-Admiral-Ackbars-/id/129423/page/1#1635984

For fun, here’s my full Recut of the first part of the Battle of Endor with the new pilots (Color is still WIP): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZShuQmTrG-6KyHqjE_GJWj2igWrLko9K/view?usp=drive_link

It’s crazy how natural they feel in context. . .

.Mac. said:

Absolutely loved this, Joy! Very interested in seeing how this goes.

Also, couldn’t help but wonder what the Mon Calamari would possibly be saying to himself right after each kill.
…
“That was a trap.”
…
“That was a trap.”
…
“Heh, he fell for that trap!”
😄

“Wedge, why is Red 2 flying a Y-Wing?”

Wedge: “If I let Fadlan fly an X-Wing, there’d be War Crimes.”

.Mac. said:

Absolutely loved this, Joy! Very interested in seeing how this goes.

Also, couldn’t help but wonder what the Mon Calamari would possibly be saying to himself right after each kill.
…
“That was a trap.”
…
“That was a trap.”
…
“Heh, he fell for that trap!”
😄

Imperial Fleet moves in to attack

Capt. Fadlan: “Got 'em right where I want 'em!”

G&G-Fan said:

Honestly I unironically support edits that add even more alien presence to Star Wars. I think it’s cool. This is a galaxy full of different sentient alien species, they shouldn’t be regarded as looney tunes characters.

Bro, no joke when I posted this last night, I was thinking to myself this might be something G&G will unironically enjoy!

Phase3 said:

JoyOfEditing said:

O00ll00O said:

Just wait til we get to the Arena Battle. It’s gonna be Force Mad!

I know you said it’s something that you’re really proud of, so I can’t wait to see it!

FYI It’s live: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C-UtrN7ew7RJ46eIARA26fIql07RbBKF/view?usp=drive_link

That looks great, and flows very nicely!
Would you want a clip to correct the continuity error of Ki-Adi-Mundi’s Lightsaber changing colour? In the film it goes from blue, to green, then back to blue. I can send you a clip where it stays blue the whole time if you like?

“Do it.”

Some of y’all are probably aware that footage was shot of Alien Pilots for RotJ during production. I was bored the other day, and decided to see if I could cut some of those pilots into the space battle as a joke. . . It worked far better than I expected. . . I ended up using the Sullustan Pilot as Blade Leader and was able to turn “Red 2” into a Mon Calamari Pilot with an absurd kill count.

Here’s a WIP of the Alien Pilots in context with the beginnings of Phase3’s restoration of the unused footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNbINBT88XY

I was able to create some good dialogue for the Sullustan Pilot from scraps of Nien Nunb’s VO from Battlefront 1, but I need to redub the Mon Calamari Pilot with VO that sounds well. . . a little more Mon-Cal than Simon Williamson.

If anyone does an Adimral Ackbar impression (It doesn’t need to be dead on, because the Pilot is a different character), and wants to redub Simon’s lines for fun, shot me a PM. I find real VO is always much more fun than AI.

O00ll00O said:

Just wait til we get to the Arena Battle. It’s gonna be Force Mad!

I know you said it’s something that you’re really proud of, so I can’t wait to see it!

FYI It’s live: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C-UtrN7ew7RJ46eIARA26fIql07RbBKF/view?usp=drive_link

jkimm said:

JoyOfEditing said:

jkimm said:

Adding in Padme and Typho being thrown definitely works better for the reasons you mentioned. I didn’t even notice it was cut originally. 😄 Removing the Palpatine bit to Yoda is a nice call. Makes him come across as being more confident now.

I’m a little torn about the droid factory sequence. The last bit where Anakin slices the robot arm to make the cauldron fall still doesn’t connect for me. I messed around with it some more and am curious what you think of these changes?

• Kept the cut between Anaking slicing geonosian in half and Padme navigating through machinery. This keeps the action going from left to right and fixes the abrupt music change.

• Kept shot of Anakin looking up when Padme is being taken away in cauldron.

• Insert brief shot of cauldron moving along to further sell what Anakin is looking at.

• Insert different shot of Padme looking up in the cauldron.

• Reinsert Anakin force throwing objects at geonosians and added thud sound fx when they get hit.

• Anakin jumps up to higher platform and uses force to unhook the cauldron. Only problem is the same force shot is used twice. Still need to find a fix.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M3I3ybJ2-Ac0EPGf4hLaFmZ1yKE4euh_/view?usp=sharing

Yeah, I’m with you that the Force move on the Vat lands with way more punch, and I like a lot of the minor tweaks. I don’t worry too much about “abrupt music changes” as long as they aren’t distracting. There are quite a few “abrupt changes” in the Vanilla cut that are waaayyyy more abrupt than mine, lol! But I’ll see if I can clean that exchange up a bit. I think the “Perfect Version” is somewhere halfway between both of ours. . . Imma think about it and do another take.

In the meantime, I’m rendering out the Arena Battle for you to chew on. Stand by.

YES!!!

Aight. It’s uploading. About an hour from now it should be live at this link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-GJ1VlEvPO5XlQALDODDeZdWrGEH_ZHP?usp=sharing

You’ll know which one it is 😉

UPDATE: It’s live.

jkimm said:

Adding in Padme and Typho being thrown definitely works better for the reasons you mentioned. I didn’t even notice it was cut originally. 😄 Removing the Palpatine bit to Yoda is a nice call. Makes him come across as being more confident now.

I’m a little torn about the droid factory sequence. The last bit where Anakin slices the robot arm to make the cauldron fall still doesn’t connect for me. I messed around with it some more and am curious what you think of these changes?

• Kept the cut between Anaking slicing geonosian in half and Padme navigating through machinery. This keeps the action going from left to right and fixes the abrupt music change.

• Kept shot of Anakin looking up when Padme is being taken away in cauldron.

• Insert brief shot of cauldron moving along to further sell what Anakin is looking at.

• Insert different shot of Padme looking up in the cauldron.

• Reinsert Anakin force throwing objects at geonosians and added thud sound fx when they get hit.

• Anakin jumps up to higher platform and uses force to unhook the cauldron. Only problem is the same force shot is used twice. Still need to find a fix.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M3I3ybJ2-Ac0EPGf4hLaFmZ1yKE4euh_/view?usp=sharing

Yeah, I’m with you that the Force move on the Vat lands with way more punch, and I like a lot of the minor tweaks. I don’t worry too much about “abrupt music changes” as long as they aren’t distracting. There are quite a few “abrupt changes” in the Vanilla cut that are waaayyyy more abrupt than mine, lol! But I’ll see if I can clean that exchange up a bit. I think the “Perfect Version” is somewhere halfway between both of ours. . . Imma think about it and do another take.

In the meantime, I’m rendering out the Arena Battle for you to chew on. Stand by.

jkimm said:

100% on the way you’re handling the politics of Attack of the Clones. The inclusion of Phase3’s deleted scenes work really well. Of course, I had to attempt some additional trimming to both scenes.

Intro
• Cut enthusiastic “we made it”
• Cut decoy and Padme dialogue
• Tiny trims here and there

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zumkxyzy44pru49Yc69FLBErRZrdGL_/view?usp=sharing

Factory
• Cut sequence between Anaking slicing geonosian in half and Padme navigating through machinery
• Insert shot of Anakin looking up when Padme is being taken away in cauldron
• Remove Anakin using force to throw objects at geonosians
• Add Anakin chopping geonosian and then using force to unlatch cauldron

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UkJpyZpclH_eiu-EWQTkKwU6L3gmjUwr/view?usp=sharing

Thoughts?

UPDATE: I’ve uploaded new versions of each sequence.

Here’s Sequence 1 (Bomb-Padme Addresses the Senate-Palptine’s Office): https://drive.google.com/file/d/14M7QuUx_Nmql8iYmG5aa_e2P8nAl-KBZ/view?usp=drive_link

-I Slightly tweaked your change, by adding back in Padme and Typho being thrown by the blast. I think that change adds a bit more context, and a bit more Ooomph to the blast, while still achieving the change you’re going for. Other than that I just went with your changes! GREAT WORK! So much better.

-I also made a small change to the scene in Palpatine’s Office. I cut the bit where Palpy asks Yoda, “Do you really think it will come to war?” right after he just said that his “Negotiations Will Not Fail.” . . . A bit double minded if you ask me. . .

And Here’s Sequence 2 (Droid Factory-Dooku’s Interrogation-Emergency Powers): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Yvbmct2jlqnUbwIEHE7nDCzEN-KZvlu8/view?usp=drive_link

-For this one I completely reworked the end of the Droid Factory to take advantage our your idea for Anakin looking up as Padme is taken away in the vat. I’m MUCH happier with this version, but you’ll have to let me know what you think.

Keep the suggestions coming 😉