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#1654419
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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Bingowings said:

The Droid control ship has a unique design. From an attack perspective it’s the equivalent of the thermal exhaust port on the Death Star. I would have kept the other capital ships visible in the battle. The Federation would be so convinced of its victory that the fighters launched from the control ship would have been enough. Visually you don’t have the threat suddenly reduced. Once the control ship is down they can’t launch anymore fighters as they were controlled from the control ship. You might have them try to escape like in the Battle of Scarif only to have Republic ships turn up and stop some (once Palpatine has seen the tide turn). The battle doesn’t currently feel right. Which a problem with the original film and not your edit.

I think get what you’re saying. Honestly, I think the reason that the Droid Control ship is shown mostly by itself comes down to visually clarity. If there were multiple identical ships in view at all times, it could create confusion for the viewer as to how far away any given fighter is from the main control ship. This is the exact problem that plagues the ROTS Space Battle. The disorientation created greatly lowers the stakes.

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#1653981
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Attack Of The Clones - upscaled deleted scenes
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Phase3 said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

So I used up all but 2 of my Topaz’s Starlight credits on old home video clips (which do look pretty dang good btw). With the 2 credits I had left, I ran a clip of Palps from the deleted senate scene in AOTC (Phase3’s upscaled version:

https://streamable.com/bjbpl8

This looks pretty dang amazing. Much more definition in the face.

Sorry, I couldn’t make a comparison video…you’ll have to compare it yourself! 😛

As per our PM conversation:

The image has too much AI processing; it now looks like an AI-generated image, instead of a human being.

Fine details have been scrubbed away, making his face look too smooth, almost waxy; plus there is less detail in his clothing.

Midtones and highlights have been exaggerated, and it’s slightly oversaturated too.

Take a look at his eyes, and areas around his mouth - compare this video to the original video, or my upscale, and you’ll see they’re quite different.

I’ve heard a lot about this Starlight model, however if this is what it produces, then I will stick with what I currently have.

Yeah, I’m gonna agree with Phase3, the AI does something weird to the clothing/lighting, and the face has become uncanny. My gut tells me that the effect would break down entirely if the clip ran longer.

However, I’m really glad SSWR ran that test, because I’m always curious to see how AIs think about lighting. I don’t think AI will ever be able to make a truly convincing image any more than manmade CGI looks super janky if the animator didn’t account for real world lighting. Light is almost impossible to effectively calculate mathematically, so for my money a lot of what makes cinematic lighting CG or otherwise “good” comes from the art-side rather the science-side of filmmaking.

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#1653976
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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Bingowings said:

One aspect of the Naboo battle I never understood is why remove the other capital ships? The way the battle is designed they are heading for the droid control ship and it’s heavily defended so the droid fighters would come from there. So why not have the rest of the blockade visible not engaging the fighters out of hubris. Once droid control ship is down we could see some droid fighters go dead in space explaining why the other capital ships didn’t launch more. All the droids were coordinated from the same ship, including the fighters.

Hmmm. . . I have to say The Trade Federation’s tactics in the Naboo Battle make complete sense to me. The warships are in a Blockade posture, so by design they shouldn’t move or they’ll break the blockade, and the Queen might escape. . . again. . . The Federation doesn’t know what the Naboo plan is, so they would probably assume that an attack by fighters incapable of penetrating their shields is a feint to break up their formation. Along those lines it would be foolish for the other warships to launch their fighter compliments to defend the command ship when it is in no serious peril, because that would leave them open to other fighter attacks that could be forthcoming.

The way the sequence is framed, the Trade Federation Control Ship launches its fighters well before the N-1s reach it, which means the Federation was monitoring the attack and preparing to counter with what it assumed would be a sufficient number of fighters. . . They just didn’t figure on a 10-year-old, Force Mad Podracer firing a couple lucky torpedoes from inside the hangar bay. . .

As far as how the droids are controlled, it doesn’t really matter which specific droids are controlled from which ship in terms of Padme’s plan. If the Naboo pilots take out the control ship running the droids on the plains and the palace, then that buys her more time to capture the Viceroy, because once she captures the Viceroy, it’s game over. She can force him to order his armies to stand down at gun point.

That’s the logic I used to recut and clarify the sequence. I’m sure there are other ways you could frame it.

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#1653410
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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Phase3 just upscaled an ILM N-1 model explosion element from the Phantom Menace. I decided to see if I could and find a place to put it.

The Rotoscoping/Compositing is just at the rough stage to check the timing: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lqUVSSrH8L4fT5e-Nnbn8hY6j18Ce2pb/view?usp=sharing

Whadda y’all think?

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#1652988
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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Here’s another WIP - This time it’s the Battle of Endor: https://youtu.be/wUgpMpD3wL0

I never liked how the Death Star Attack flowed in Return of the Jedi. As soon as the “Attack Commences” we hard cut to Palpatine’s shocking demise. That scene is quite slow and completely stalls the momentum of the attack sequence. The hard cut back to the Death Star surface is equally jarring.

This recut is an attempt keep the momentum moving in the first phase of the attack by inserting a bridge scene composed of deleted shots of Moff Jerjerrod into the spot where the Palpatine scene originally was.

Only one deleted shot has been fully restored - The final Mon Cal Pilot shot - the other shots will be restored at a later date. Thanks again to “Phase3” for all of his help on the shot restorations.

Lemme know what y’all think and Enjoy the Edit!

-JoE

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#1651568
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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NotTheDri0ds said:

JoyOfEditing said:

New Video: https://youtu.be/xMP2m-SwhD4?si=0CEaNkKMOB-T8hKe

It’s a WIP of five minutes from the End Battle from Phantom Menace. A big thank you to Phase3 for his help with the clean SFX 5.1 track, and all of the cut shots he’s been restoring (seven of which feature in this clip). Lemme know what y’all think, especially concerning the SFX on the new shots. I had to build the soundtrack from scratch on those.

Major Bonus Points if anyone can find the one shot that has a new visual effect composited in.

Enjoy the Edit!

-JoE

Looking good! I know it’s temp but the lack of music gives it a vibe lol. I love all the extended footage

As for my guess for the new element: The fire on the Naboo fighter around the 2:25 mark? If not that maybe more of the shot, doesn’t look familiar but also doesn’t have the same upscaled quality the other added footage does lol.

Another thought is maybe a lightsaber effect somewhere in the extended footage I missed, otherwise no clue lol.

Honestly speaking of VFX edits pertaining to lightsabers that one close up of Obi-Wan always bothers me because the lightsaber is matted terribly and looks almost see through.

Haha! The SFX track IS a vibe! I’ve really been enjoying working with it, because it allows you to do so many shot combos that are impossible if you have to take the original music into account.

I have to give a huge shout out to Phase3 for all of his work on building that 5.1 SFX track. It’s beautiful! I’ve also really enjoyed mixing the new SFX for the cut shots he’s been restoring. I used to do a lot of SFX work in previous jobs, but it has been a quite a while since I put that much effort into a soundtrack (I think one of the new fighter shots alone has 27 SFX tracks).

For Obi’s Saber, I’m aware that there are some issues with saber work in the Phantom Menace, however some of the problems are simply from the HDR master which under clocks the whites. Once I color grade the whole sequence I can see which sabers, if any, need to be fixed.

The shot with added VFX is the wide shot of the Droid Control Ship after the N-1s fire torpedoes at the Bridge Deflector Dish. That shot was originally a one-off cutaway during the Gungan Battle that directly preceded the “Activate the Droids” shot. I repurposed it as a “swing shot” to get us from the bombing run to Anakin’s run in with the swarm of Vulture Droids. I timed the last popping blast that hits near the rising N-1 to match a flash in Anakin’s cockpit to link those two sequences, but I couldn’t link it on the front end, because the GINORMOUS explosion from the end of the bombing run is absent from the wide shot. SO! I added a matching explosion on the wide shot and roto-ed the N-1 that flies in from of it frame-by-frame.

The new blast is at 2:11 if you want to check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMP2m-SwhD4

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#1651565
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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O00ll00O said:

Love love loved this video Joy!! It’s wild how good you are at duel & chase scenes! The SFX were perfect, I didn’t notice anything out of place. I can’t wait to see this with the soundtrack behind it! The N-1 dog fight pace is way ramped up and I loved it. I do have one additional idea for SFX I’d like to get your opinion on…

So in the original TPM (and in your cut) before Anakin’s ship is hit, the following happens:

1.) R2-D2 screams, then the ship is hit
2.) Anakin’s N-1 seems to take 1 (relatively quiet) shot on his right wing
3.) He spins (it’s a good trick) and lands in the hanger

I propose:

1.) Anakin’s ship is hit, THEN R2 screams
2.) Make the shot that hits the wing slightly louder as it must’ve done decent damage to make him spin out, crash land, and eventually shut down
3.) Add cockpit error alarms/warnings right after the blaster hit (I might’ve mixed that to quiet), and change the alarm type when he starts to level it out in the hanger
4.) Once he starts flying through the hanger, after the first person view in the cockpit, it cuts to R2 and then play a sound effect of him slightly fixing the ship

I feel like doing those things helps match the intensity of the dogfight.

I’m by no means an editor, this is a mock-up of what it might sound like. I couldn’t find N-1 cockpit sound effects online, so I just put in some alarms I thought might fit. You could always change those to a different sound effects, but again this is just to give you an idea.

Another happy landing

K. I LOVE what you did on the Artoo scream, that timing change is a major improvement in my book, and I’ll definitely take a look at reworking that when I do another pass on the sequence.

As for the other adding SFX, I think that’s a great idea, but I personally wouldn’t bother with adding them, because you won’t really be able to hear them once the music is added in.

GREAT WORK!

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#1651564
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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Phase3 said:

With regards to the N-1 starfighter getting shot, the footage on the DVD documentary is of very low quality, so it didn’t upscale very well.
Bobson Dugnutt informed me that there was a higher-quality behind-the-scenes shot on the Blu-ray bonus disc. I will upscale this shot and create a new composition, so there will finally be a higher-quality version of this deleted scene.

YES YES YES YES!!!

Are the other cut fighter shots on that same reel?

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#1651563
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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Phase3 said:

With regards to the N-1 starfighter getting shot, the footage on the DVD documentary is of very low quality, so it didn’t upscale very well.
Bobson Dugnutt informed me that there was a higher-quality behind-the-scenes shot on the Blu-ray bonus disc. I will upscale this shot and create a new composition, so there will finally be a higher-quality version of this deleted scene.

YES YES YES YES!!!

Are the other cut fighter shots on that same reel?

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#1651508
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Star Wars: A New Hope DEVASTATOR EDITION (V.2 a WIP)
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That guy with no name said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1feFd4DCaqTB_EJt0JdchH_KVhfyRrkt_/view?usp=sharing
Thoughts, comments, or concerns aren’t only allowed but encouraged.

All of it looks great, but the regrade of the interior of Ben’s house is phenomenal. The way you brightened the room to reflect the correct time of day while still maintaining a good level of contrast is top shelf work, mate!

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#1651328
Topic
New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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New Video: https://youtu.be/xMP2m-SwhD4?si=0CEaNkKMOB-T8hKe

It’s a WIP of five minutes from the End Battle from Phantom Menace. A big thank you to Phase3 for his help with the clean SFX 5.1 track, and all of the cut shots he’s been restoring (seven of which feature in this clip). Lemme know what y’all think, especially concerning the SFX on the new shots. I had to build the soundtrack from scratch on those.

Major Bonus Points if anyone can find the one shot that has a new visual effect composited in.

Enjoy the Edit!

-JoE

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#1649493
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Star Wars Episode II: The Approaching Storm (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

Interesting ideas, all of them. However, I really need to be finished with the prequel trilogy. I heartily encourage anyone to do anything they like with my projects.

JJB, those reinstatings that you highlight were each deliberate, as of some time ago. I don’t have ready access to the decision-making process behind them, but that’s how the dust settled for those things. I’m pleased though that the only bad feedback was about not including something extra that was not part of the original movie. (For the droid factory, I’m content with it; I don’t wish to remain open forever on new ways to slice and dice various sequences and would prefer for this to crystalize as a final product.)

AOTC fan edits are dead. Long live AOTC fan edits.

AMEN Brother! I’m 99% of the way to never thinking about AotC ever again. Keep that door shut to lock in all the flavor. 😉

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#1649492
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Star Wars Episode II: The Approaching Storm (Released)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Oh, I don’t think you understood what I meant about the droid factory sequence. I’m not suggesting that you follow Joy’s editing sequence at all, but that you cut away from Anakin’s lightsaber getting caught on his cloak for 2 seconds. It’s a really small trim, shouldn’t take much effort at all.

Not gonna lie, that cut is a lot harder than it looks, lol!

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#1649271
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Star Wars Episode II: The Approaching Storm (Released)
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Grand Admiral Thrawn said:

That’s where mine is different. Anakin is more questioning of himself not being able to fix things. He only carries his anger inward, not towards Obi-Wan or the sand people. It is more nuanced, which Padme then picks up on and consoles him about it.

The nice bookend is then Anakin promising to his mother that he wasn’t strong enough and he won’t fail again.

It’s funny how including only that first snippet and the aftermath, plus the words to his mother, help reframe that Anakin thinks he is a failure as a Jedi and he blames himself for being weak, not everyone else for holding him back.

Then with Hal’s Episode III edit, Anakin’s fall comes about more from a distrust of the Jedi holding things back from him. Here Anakin is thinking the Jedi are teaching him all these things and then it turns out, or at least he is led to believe, that the Jedi fear him and are holding him back which causes him to go off the rails.

I don’t want to sidetrack Hal’s thread though if he doesn’t plan on adding any of the garage scene back. I did go through the edit again and this would be the logical ordering for it:

Carrying Shimi -> Garage -> Obi’s Message -> Funeral / Viewing Message

Haha! Yeah, I don’t wanna sidetrack this either, so after this I’m running back to my own thread.

I do think adding back in the garage scene in some form is a good idea, and the scene flow you laid out at the end, works well (It’s the exact flow I used in mine).

Your logic for the characters makes complete sense to me, and I think your general approach is a great way to frame Anakin’s arc in the Prequels. My cut uses a completely different logic (which is why my version is so different). I completely removed the idea that the Jedi/Obi-Wan were holding Anakin back, and instead reworked it so that Anakin’s mistrust is politically motivated (The Jedi are plotting against Palps, his adopted father). With that in mind, when Anakin says he’s not the Jedi he should be, it’s because he knows what he did was wrong, but has no one to confess to. I really like that idea, but your logic works great too.

To Jar Jar’s point my cut is jarring, but I think the Imp March actually makes the jolt feel intentional (like certain cuts in Empire). But again, it’s all down to how you like your edits cooked.

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#1649260
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Star Wars: A New Hope DEVASTATOR EDITION (V.2 a WIP)
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That guy with no name said:

JoyOfEditing said:

That guy with no name said:

The sequence is finally ready!
Here it is: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tRirrt-2vk8FvbIwPLfHMhEwWFAt6Lvu/view?usp=sharing
I’m currently working on a comparison. But I’d like to see who can name all the changes…
Thoughts, comments, or concerns aren’t only allowed but encouraged.

The color grade/effects look phenomenal, bro!

The shot with the Devastator’s gunnery officer, and the shot looking through the pod window, are especially good! Great work!!!

Thanks! It took a lot of time to roto all of that…

Oh I know! That’s the only way it could’ve looked so good. For my money it was more than worth it!

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#1649258
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Star Wars Episode II: The Approaching Storm (Released)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

If nothing else, I’ll agree that the scene does help in furthering their relationship together since Padme otherwise gives Anakin no sign of empathy or comfort on-screen. It does help us buy into the two of them falling in love.

I think I already posted this elsewhere, but in case you missed it, this would be my two cents on the garage scene: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ml90rgWBTyGyIv0d2pM0xU-foauZ_Esp/view?usp=drivesdk

To my mind that version gives you the best of all worlds - Anakin’s anger/regret without the red flags + Padme’s sincere care for Anakin.

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#1649252
Topic
Star Wars: A New Hope DEVASTATOR EDITION (V.2 a WIP)
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That guy with no name said:

The sequence is finally ready!
Here it is: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tRirrt-2vk8FvbIwPLfHMhEwWFAt6Lvu/view?usp=sharing
I’m currently working on a comparison. But I’d like to see who can name all the changes…
Thoughts, comments, or concerns aren’t only allowed but encouraged.

The color grade/effects look phenomenal, bro!

The shot with the Devastator’s gunnery officer, and the shot looking through the pod window, are especially good! Great work!!!

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#1648420
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

JoyOfEditing said:

Yo! New RECUT is now live for Watto’s Shop: https://youtu.be/PEOioLEokYs

I’ll be covering this sequence in Episode 5 of the Joy of Editing. In the meantime, lemme know what y’all think and Enjoy the Edit!

I like it, I like the pacing and the presentation - it both looks and feels better. Though there is one small thing I’d change if it were my edit. I’d remove the shot of the group exiting the shop, where Jar Jar is flopsying about in the doorway. Not because of any anti-Gungan sentiments, because mesa liken the Gungans, but when Padme says goodbye and smiles at Ani he doesn’t verbally respond, and we don’t see that it’s because he’s giving a little social smile back at her until after that shot of them all leaving. Ani mightn’t have had time to say anything because Watto flew in right behind Qui-Gon. So, if their exit is removed, we can go right from Padme’s face to Ani’s reaction, to him turning to look at Watto. It’s clear that they’re all leaving because of Qui-Gon speeding through and Padme turns to leave as she says goodbye so nothing important would be lost. To me, the rhythm is better and bringing those two shots together ends Padme and Ani’s first meeting on a connection rather than a separation, which is, I think, the point of that interaction.

Just my thoughts. But great work as usual, I love everything you’re doing here.

Yo! Glad you’ve been enjoying the recuts!

To your point, that would be an excellent way to cut the sequence! In fact I’d say George Lucas agrees with you, because the original way that scene runs is this: Padme says, “I’m glad to have met you Anakin.” - Anakin calls back, “It was good to meet you too!” (This is the shot I cut) - The crew exits and Jar Jar get confused - Cut Back to Anakin smiling after Padme and Watto complaining.

But. . . There is a overly-complex reason why I changed that wee little cut. Frankly, it’s hard to explain without writing a novel, so I’ll try to break it down into pieces.

  1. Technically: The cut on action of Natalie turning to leave improves the rhythm and feels super natural.

  2. The in-scene flow/humor is easier to follow for the audience. The original cut is this: Jar Jar is dropping a bunch of crap - Qui-Gon is annoyed with him/Watto for not taking the credits - Jar Jar drops the crap - Padme says goodbye - Annie Says goodbye - Padme is actually leaving this time - Jar Jar is confused - Annie smiles - Watto Complains.

Here’s what the focus of the original sequence looks like if I assign numbers to the characters (Qui-Gon = 1, Padme = 2, Jar-Jar = 3, Annie = 4, Watto = 5): 3 - 1 - 3 - 2 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 4 - 5

And here’s the flow of my cut: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5

By reworking the flow that way, the logic/humor of the scene is changed to this: Qui-Gon is JUST ticked with Watto and ready to get out of there. His brisk departure breaks up the meet cute between Anakin/Padme, so the cares of the world are breaking them up, not a juggling Gungan. If you don’t cut back to Annie, saying goodbye, Jar Jar’s confusion acts a “back to reality” beat - The “Angel” has left the building taking the magic with her. The transition from Anakin’s theme to street noises also helps to sell this effect. The cut back to Watto, completes the “Tone Sandwich”: Qui-Gon is worried about paying for the parts - Padme flashes Anakin a warm and beautiful smile - Watto dismisses the “Outlanders” for not paying properly.

  1. The META reason that I made that change has to do with how Watto’s Shop is a inverse mirror of Luke’s introduction in Episode IV, specifically the scene in Obi-Wan’s house. In that scene Obi-Wan tells Luke he needs to go save the Princess and freely gives Luke his fathers’ lightsaber. In the Phantom Menace, there is no way for Anakin to be close to Padme, because she is a Queen and he is a Slave, BUT he follows her anyway - at least in my cut. . .

Originally, we cut from Watto’s shop to Qui-Gon chatting with Obi-Wan about the money situation, then to Jar Jar getting into a fight with Sebulba, then to Obi-Wan fretting about the Sandstorm, and then to Annie inviting his new friends to ride out the storm at his place.

In my cut we go straight from Anakin being sent home by Watto to Obi-Wan fretting about the Sandstorm, which means that we then cut back directly to Anakin tugging on Qui-Gon’s tunic trying to get his attention. In that exchange Qui-Gon lifts his robe to reveal his “laser sword” which Anakin’s looks at with longing. This change makes it feel like Anakin intentionally followed Padme and Qui-Gon, because they both have the two things he wants, but can’t have - Love and Power. Anakin’s lust for forbidden love and power will lead to his downfall, and so in this little sequence you have the foreshadowing of Anakin’s entire journey. Luke is called to save a Princess and become a Jedi, whereas Anakin will find a way to achieve his desires, because he’s afraid of missing out.

So! To finally answer your original point, that is why I cut Padme leaving the shop focusing on the separation rather than the connection, so that their initial meeting foreshadows their inevitable separation at the end Revenge of the Sith.

. . . And this is why editing is hard, lol!

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#1648418
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

JoyOfEditing said:

Yo! New RECUT is now live for Watto’s Shop: https://youtu.be/PEOioLEokYs

I’ll be covering this sequence in Episode 5 of the Joy of Editing. In the meantime, lemme know what y’all think and Enjoy the Edit!

I like it, I like the pacing and the presentation - it both looks and feels better. Though there is one small thing I’d change if it were my edit. I’d remove the shot of the group exiting the shop, where Jar Jar is flopsying about in the doorway. Not because of any anti-Gungan sentiments, because mesa liken the Gungans, but when Padme says goodbye and smiles at Ani he doesn’t verbally respond, and we don’t see that it’s because he’s giving a little social smile back at her until after that shot of them all leaving. Ani mightn’t have had time to say anything because Watto flew in right behind Qui-Gon. So, if their exit is removed, we can go right from Padme’s face to Ani’s reaction, to him turning to look at Watto. It’s clear that they’re all leaving because of Qui-Gon speeding through and Padme turns to leave as she says goodbye so nothing important would be lost. To me, the rhythm is better and bringing those two shots together ends Padme and Ani’s first meeting on a connection rather than a separation, which is, I think, the point of that interaction.

Just my thoughts. But great work as usual, I love everything you’re doing here.

Ah! The ol’ duplicate post glitcheroo. . . See below. 😉

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#1648204
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New YouTube Series about recutting George's STAR WARS SAGA.
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G&G-Fan said:

JoyOfEditing said:
It starts with the Death Star II being built and ends with it being blown up.

Huh?

I understand everything else but I’m a little confused here.

Return of the Jedi begins with Vader arriving at the Death Star II as it hovers over Endor, and it ends with the Death Star blowing up and a victory celebration down on the planet.

The Phantom Menace directly mirrors Return of the Jedi, because it begins with the Jedi arriving at the Trade Federation Control Ship as it hovers over Naboo, and it ends with the Control Ship blowing up and a victory celebration on the planet.

Make sense?