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#1459340
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Star Wars 2006 GOUT DVDs - is it still worth buying them?
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If they are going for a low price then why not? An important part of Star Wars history, from the fans’ perspective.
It may not be high quality, but that too signifies a turning point for Lucasfilm, in beginning to release lazy and shoddy work, with little in the way of quality control.
It says something about Lucas himself too, fans rejecting his Special Edition and still wanted the originals, or both, and he put out this POS in response?
I’ll take this POS and stand it proudly on my shelf, next to Despecialized and 4K Tn1 releases. The official Special Edition releases hidden behind them.

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#1459339
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Return Of The Jedi’s ‘Black Friday’ - 22nd November, 1982...
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I knew of the deleted scenes from the blu-ray and internet chatter at the time, but don’t recall anything about this Black Friday.
It is really surprising more isn’t know about it, from the effects crew talking about it in interviews over time, or just more leaking out in general. Books have been written on less! Those YouTubers will cover anything for clicks, yet nothing much on this at all.
What an interesting story of events.

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#1457374
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How often do you watch the Original Trilogy?
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Once a year. I try and make time to watch all 3, I don’t watch any of the other Star Wars stuff often at all, just the Original Trilogy. Sometimes Rogue One and Solo, but they are not really a tradition, like it is for the OT. May be in the future it will be.
Always the original versions of the Original Trilogy. I’ve seen the later releases with more changes in each release, but watching them once or twice was enough for me.

I did manage to sit through the entire Holiday Special once, and have seen a few clips up on YouTube since. There should have been a postal “send away” for a free medal, or ability to join some sort of members club for watching that! 😃

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#1457370
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How many times have you bought the movies?
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Individual Trilogy tapes around 1988
Trilogy Boxed Set (1992)
Definitive Collection Laser Discs (1993)
“Faces” Trilogy on VHS (1995)
Trilogy: 4 DVD Box Set (2004)
Trilogy Limited Edition DVD (2006 GOUT)
The Complete Saga (2011 Blu-ray). To be able to own fan edits and preservations, I would not have bought them otherwise.
The Skywalker Saga (2020, 18 Disc Blu-ray)

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#1457034
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Midichlorians Are Not The Force
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Servii said:

It is kind of odd how the reveal of Anakin’s midichlorian count comes before we even learn what midichlorians are. Then, after they’re explained in detail by Qui-Gon, they’re not brought up again for the rest of the movie or the next movie. It feels like they went through all this effort to have Qui-Gon explain the concept because George really wanted it in the movie. It seems like one of those ideas that should have been left on the cutting room floor, but George was really attached to the concept and insisted it be spelled out for the audience.

I agree. George really did screw the whole thing up of midichlorians in the films.
And blaming fans for being the excuse why he didn’t mention it again is typical George, taking responsibility away from himself and placing it at the door of others.
If George could have handled it half as well as when he had Kenobi explain the force in the original Star Wars, and then had Yoda expanding on it in TESB, George would have likely pulled it off.
Instead we got what you described.
Not expanding on it in later films also didn’t help the whole midichlorians thing. Like George was embarrassed about it, so he dropped it.

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#1456811
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High Republic setting general discussion
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I am very much enjoying this so far, and was not too sure what to expect when I first read Light Of The Jedi. To me the setting is welcome change from much of the other EU stories.
But I do wonder if a physical content release would help attract more people to The High Republic, maybe something such as a “Visions” episode, or a series of animated shorts on YouTube to introduce characters, setting, the backstory.
It would unfortunate for fans who may have an interest in THR who may go on to YouTube to have opinions colored by some of the permanently miserable, negative or “clickbaity” YouTubers.

The Acolyte is something I am looking forward to most in all the recent content announcement. But I do wonder if it would have been good to have something out and released around the same time as the books. I suppose the pandemic made this very difficult, even if there were plans or ideas for that to happen.

Soon I hope to read The Rising Storm. The comics soon after.

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#1456125
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Star Wars Video Games - a general discussion thread
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oojason said:

Is there any more news on this game?
Or was it a fake or fan made effort?

Some people have speculated there will be news of a new game in December, for Bring Home The Bounty: https://www.starwars.com/news/bring-home-the-bounty-announce because of the game controller icon used for the Week 10
release.
I hope it is a game, that it will be a Mandalorian game, but not getting all my hopes up that it will be a game at all.
Edit: Disney+ Day on the November 12 will may be give us some more news.

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#1455150
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Star Wars releases you previously disliked, but now like or enjoy?
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What are some of the Star Wars releases you previously disliked, but now like or enjoy?

Or hated, but now love?
Or thought “meh, that was poor”. But now think “Meh, that is okay”?
Or other changes of opinion?
And so on.
 

For me it is 2008’s The Clone Wars series.

I watched seasons 1 and 2 some 8 or 9 years ago. I tried to give the series a fair chance at the time, I wanted to like it, but just couldn’t. It didn’t feel like Star Wars, had no consequences to speak of, the characters and animations were lacking, it had a lack of realism or depth for me. It was all a bit bleh. Maybe it was underwhelming as it was set in an interesting timeline in the star wars universe, but when it turned out to be something different from what I was expecting it just didn’t do it for me.

Now, I have been watching the series again, and find myself more interested in the show and actually anticipating the episodes I haven’t yet watched (I am up to season 3 ‘Ghosts Of Mortis’). The series isn’t perfect, it does have a number of stinkers or “meh” episodes, but that can be said for any long running series. The characters are growing on me, and the stories too. Not all of the stories, but more than during the original viewing years ago.
 

What about you? Are there any tv series, films, specials, novels, comics or games you have changed your opinion on?

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#1454878
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What will be the next physical home media release of the Original Trilogy?
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Disney+ seems to be the preferred and profitable way of releasing new Star Wars content. Though for the main films the disc releases in 2020, (4K/UHD, blu-ray and even DVD), were the latest physical home media releases of the OT.

But what do you think will be next physical release for the OT?

A boxset with the unaltered cuts in 4K/UHD sadly seems unlikely.
 

A future release with more changes to the films?
3 Trilogy boxsets of 3 films of the main Saga?
Another 9 film boxset?
An ultimate mega boxset with all films & series Lucasfilm says is ‘canon’?

May be a boxset with more unseen material from the films or behind the scenes content? (If any footage is left?) Or with new documentaries and extras?
A 8K/SuperUHD release in a few years, or other future format, with the films possibly being AI upscaled somehow?
 

Or something else? If so, what do you think it will be?

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#1454814
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Stardust1138 said:

Johann-500 said:

Stardust1138 said:

Respecting creators including George should always take precedence to your beliefs.

Woah!
A civil respect, or a general respect? For sure.
Acknowledging their efforts, achievements and the content you enjoy, love or that resonates? Of course.

Yet the truth (or facts) should come first. Before the ‘precedence’ turns into blind respect, which then turns into idol worship. Where facts and the truth are then ignored because of that idol worship. Something that a great number of Star Wars fans have ignored when putting George up on a pedestal is the actual history of Star Wars, and also ignoring George’s attempts to both retcon, change and suppress parts of the history.

Stardust1138 said:

He may not of had every detail planned out but he had a broader sense of things to create story points for later. Mark Hamill spoke in the 80’s how George planned to end things on another plane of existence. This sure feels like someone who had an idea of where they wanted to go. Maybe not every detail as even he said he didn’t have but enough to know the broader strokes to create new storylines.

This was talked about only recently by you and another member on here? Where Lucas is quoted it was only had a vague “notion” and that “It wouldn’t be part of the main story, but a sequel to this thing” (Luke’s own personal story).

So it was not much other than a vague idea for a future story for Luke, and not for Lucas’s Sequel Trilogy. So the claim of Lucas having these “broad strokes”, “broader sense of things”, or “plans” for the Sequel Trilogy does not apply here.

In the end unfortunately many rejected him as they didn’t feel these concepts connecting Midi-Chlorians and the Force fit into Star Wars, when in reality they have always been there and align even with things Joseph Campbell talked about. Star Wars was always building to something bigger. It becomes even clearer the more you watch his six films.

It is important to remember that Midichlorians have not always been there in Star Wars. Despite Lucas trying to change history and insert his retconned quote to pass off ideas that came to him only later when writing the Prequels.

Has anyone found a mention of Midichlorians before Lucas’ writing for the TPM? If the term Midichlorians always existed in Star Wars it would not be difficult to prove for Lucas himself or Lucasfilm, but we have no evidence. Nothing other than Lucas’ famous retconned quote in a failed attempt to try and provide that evidence.

I hope you do not take my post as aggressive or an attack on you Stardust1138. You have a beautiful way with words and I enjoy reading your posts. But I feel I must highlight where I disagree, where the facts or evidence of the history does not add up (such as passing off Lucas’ vague idea for a possible future Luke story as his ideas for the Sequel Trilogy, with even Lucas himself saying this idea was not a part of the main story).

To quote Lucas in 1997: “[The whole story has] six episodes…If I ever went beyond that, it would be something that was made up".

You can respect but not always agree with someone. It’s common courtesy I find. There’s no need to insult someone or call anyone names or accuse them of x and y when we’re just as guilty of doing the very same things in our own lives in different ways. No one is perfect. We’re all flawed and make mistakes. George has his fair share but has every right to do what he feels is best as it’s his story at the end of the day. He’s always been one to change his mind. All creative people are like that. I’m a creative person. I never stick to the same ideas from one moment to the next. I always want to make my story better. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Especially as it’s my vision. Just as Star Wars was/is George’s vision. He can do whatever he pleases with it. It may belong to all of us but it’s also ultimately because of him we have it to begin with. Creators don’t have a responsibility to please or to give us what we want. Their job is to make something personal to them. Hopefully it’s morally responsible and helps us in some way but that’s a whole different topic. I’d say though George did that and then some.

I agree, but these are a societal given, or should be. The original response in reply to your post of “Respecting creators including George should always take precedence to your beliefs”, Again yes, respect at all times for sure, but that truth and facts come above individual beliefs, and such respect for creators should not prevent questions being asked, or the search for truth and facts.

No, not all creative people are like this. Please, no. I am an artist for my living. If I change my viewpoint or vision, I acknowledge it, I do not lie, retcon it, or pass off my new ideas as being old and thought of long ago, to justify a later ‘change of mind’. If I ever did this I would expect and deserve much criticism and derision to come my way for doing such a thing. Being a creative person is not an excuse, reason or a justification for these actions.

When I subcontract work out to others I do not make copies, make changes to it myself years later, and suppress the original work. The films are NOT George’s to do with as he pleases, and George himself acknowledges this when he says only a film director should be able to change a film.

Lucas also gave assurances to Kershner that Empire would be Kershner’s film, completely. Despite this, George has since altered the work and vision of two other creatives, the directors of Empire and Jedi. Lucas’ words about the director being the only person who should be able change the film came after him already having made alterations to the vision of Kershner and Marquand, and then still made further changes to the films for various releases.

What of Kershner and Marquand’s original films, their vision? Their original work is not available to see and experience, and have not been so for many years (except on old low quality vhs, laser disc etc etc).

It is also important to not forget the award winning and pioneering work done by creative and talented people who contributed to the films and that their work has been suppressed also. Work that was in public view for 20 years. But no longer.

For more information I recommend the George Lucas: Unreliable Narrator thread. Much of which I have wrote in here is from there. It highlights much of the factual history of the Original Trilogy, many of it from on this forum over a very long time. And also features Lucas’ lies, retcons, the shortfalls in his visions, and his attempts to change history. Though Jason and others in the topic are too polite to call Lucas a liar, or worse.

In there it also states Lucas himself is on the board of film preservation companies, helping to preserve films and explaining why it is important to do this and also showcase films and their history. But not his own film and the two other parts of the Trilogy.

Other creatives and directors in film make multiple versions of their work, their visions, available to all. To give the audience the choice to experience whichever version they choose to. Or to celebrate and discuss all of the versions. They do not lie, retcon, deceive or “change their mind” and deny fans the world over a version of important films that was available for 20 years. You state “Creators don’t have a responsibility to please or to give us what we want”, but it is more accurate to say it is not Lucas’ right or responsibility to take these away after 20 years of being available to us. Or to alter or take away the work of other creatives.

It’s not to say Midi-Chlorians have been there from the beginning but there’s plenty to say they don’t contradict things in the Original Trilogy. They were only three films part of a six or nine film saga he planned. Midi-Chlorians enhance things we learn in the Original Trilogy or vise versa if you decide to watch the films in the order George intended us to watch them. Things don’t seem like an accident. They just happen. Like Anakin building C-3PO. It’s not a coincidence but merely part of the story.

You state “Midi-Chlorians and the Force fit into Star Wars, when in reality they have always been there”. I merely pointed out the fact that they (Midichlorians) have not always been a part of Star Wars.

“It’s not to say Midichlorians have been there from the beginning”, when you now say this I am pleased you acknowledge such a fact.

I honestly look forward to reading more of your thoughtful and eloquent posts, personal views and beliefs.
 

I would debate that that Midichlorians do not enhance the Original Trilogy, and that C3PO being built by Anakin does not enhance the Prequels either, but these are indeed welcome personal opinions and points of view, not facts as discussed above. And I think are better suited for another time, though I do await to read more of your insights, and from many other interesting people on here.

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#1453587
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Stardust1138 said:

Respecting creators including George should always take precedence to your beliefs.

Woah!
A civil respect, or a general respect? For sure.
Acknowledging their efforts, achievements and the content you enjoy, love or that resonates? Of course.

Yet the truth (or facts) should come first. Before the ‘precedence’ turns into blind respect, which then turns into idol worship. Where facts and the truth are then ignored because of that idol worship. Something that a great number of Star Wars fans have ignored when putting George up on a pedestal is the actual history of Star Wars, and also ignoring George’s attempts to both retcon, change and suppress parts of the history.

Stardust1138 said:

He may not of had every detail planned out but he had a broader sense of things to create story points for later. Mark Hamill spoke in the 80’s how George planned to end things on another plane of existence. This sure feels like someone who had an idea of where they wanted to go. Maybe not every detail as even he said he didn’t have but enough to know the broader strokes to create new storylines.

This was talked about only recently by you and another member on here? Where Lucas is quoted it was only had a vague “notion” and that “It wouldn’t be part of the main story, but a sequel to this thing” (Luke’s own personal story).

So it was not much other than a vague idea for a future story for Luke, and not for Lucas’s Sequel Trilogy. So the claim of Lucas having these “broad strokes”, “broader sense of things”, or “plans” for the Sequel Trilogy does not apply here.

In the end unfortunately many rejected him as they didn’t feel these concepts connecting Midi-Chlorians and the Force fit into Star Wars, when in reality they have always been there and align even with things Joseph Campbell talked about. Star Wars was always building to something bigger. It becomes even clearer the more you watch his six films.

It is important to remember that Midichlorians have not always been there in Star Wars. Despite Lucas trying to change history and insert his retconned quote to pass off ideas that came to him only later when writing the Prequels.

Has anyone found a mention of Midichlorians before Lucas’ writing for the TPM? If the term Midichlorians always existed in Star Wars it would not be difficult to prove for Lucas himself or Lucasfilm, but we have no evidence. Nothing other than Lucas’ famous retconned quote in a failed attempt to try and provide that evidence.

I hope you do not take my post as aggressive or an attack on you Stardust1138. You have a beautiful way with words and I enjoy reading your posts. But I feel I must highlight where I disagree, where the facts or evidence of the history does not add up (such as passing off Lucas’ vague idea for a possible future Luke story as his ideas for the Sequel Trilogy, with even Lucas himself saying this idea was not a part of the main story).

To quote Lucas in 1997: “[The whole story has] six episodes…If I ever went beyond that, it would be something that was made up".

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#1453152
Topic
There should be a proper release of the 1977 Star Wars at this point
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That guy with no name said:

Thats Impossible!
Remember what george said in 2004:
“(There will only be one. And it won’t be what I would call the ‘rought cut’, it’ll be the ‘final cut.’ The other one will be some sort of interesting artifact that people will look at and say, ‘There was an earlier draft of this.’…What ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that’s what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition).”

I think George said that around 1997, for his 1st Special Edition. And they were never released on DVD in the end!
We got the different 2004 version instead on DVD.
Though that is still a great quote. 😃

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#1453150
Topic
Star Wars Video Games - a general discussion thread
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fmalover said:

I originally posted this on the Shadows of the Empire thread, but I think it also fits this one:

So I dusted off my N64 and started replaying the SotE game.

Way back in the day I only finished it on Easy and Medium. Never played it on Hard and Jedi, and I always assumed that Jedi was the toughest difficulty setting but that’s not the case. Jedi is more of a “kill or be killed” type of difficulty, where enemies are essentially glass cannons that go down in one or two shots but do a lot of damage.

Holy shit this game is tough on Hard. I’m currently stuck on the Ord Mantell junkyard, and this is the difficulty setting is where your blaster does the least amount of damage.

I had nightmares about this and still do!

I wish I kept my old gaming magazines with hints and tips for the Star Wars games, tho I suppose YouTube video playthroughs make it a lot easier.
For the Ord Mantell level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpKY5nqfrs8 it feels like IG 88 is on top of you, stalking you, always near, so it is more difficult to keep clam after playing a long level as this. Keep firing at him from a distance in long straight lines so you can hit, then run like crazy and get into another position and repeat!

 

Does anyone think the Week 10 page on https://www.starwars.com/bring-home-the-bounty is an actual game announcement? I think there is more chance for a Star Wars themed controller, maybe a collectors edition version of a PS5 box or decals for it?
Some game web sites are saying it is for a game, but these web sites seem to be more click bait or gossip than facts and news.

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#1452748
Topic
Info &amp; Info Wanted: Burger Chef / Burger King promotions
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I bought myself a collection of these, though they are safely on a shelf in a glass cabinet, and nobody at all drinks from them:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lead-laced-drinking-glasses-spur-federal-probe
 

Another good story on the glasses with videos and images for Empire and Jedi:
https://flashbak.com/coming-galaxy-near-star-wars-burger-king-drinking-glasses-59309

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#1452712
Topic
Star Wars <strong>Fan Films</strong> / Shorts - a general discussion thread
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These two LEGO fan films were really clever, along with an engaging story and were very well put together:
 

The 313th: A LEGO Star Wars Story Brickfilm | Part 1 (stop motion)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaIlLKCFjZs

“After a devastating loss to the Separatists, a small group of surviving Clone Troopers attempt to rescue their Jedi General from separatist custody… Unaware of the new Separatist leader, and his intentions…”

 

The 313th: A LEGO Star Wars Story - DISSENT | 3D Animated Brickfilm (Part 2. in blender)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKrq06GnkkA

“In the midst of the chaos of the Galactic Clone Wars, a group of lone surviving Clone Troopers, along with their Jedi General, attempt to survive on an enemy-occupied planet, all while being hunted down by a mysterious new Separatist leader.”
 

Both fan films are by Owenator Productions: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNciEf85KAxjaliiOCxulCQ

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#1451395
Topic
Your ideal Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
Time

Sit JJ and Rian down in a room and get them to come up with a more fluid and special edition version of the sequel trilogy. A more joined-up and cursive trilogy of films, maybe even with a budget for new or altered shots and scenes.

The Sequel Special Edition.

They could both claim it was always meant to be this way, and the technology was not up to it at the time!
Disney and LucasFilm would both be ecstatic with the money, positive media attention, and having another new subset of fans to market to.
It is not my own ideal sequel trilogy, but would likely make for a better experience for us fans who were disappointed with them, especially with the concluding film in the trilogy.

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#1451387
Topic
<strong>LEGO Star Wars: Terrifying Tales</strong> - The Halloween Special - a general discussion thread
Time

Spoiler:

I really enjoyed the part on the Death Star with the roles all reversed. Overall the comedy was hit and miss, but still stayed fun at the same time.

I thought the hotel part was good, and a little disappointed they didn’t spoof on Disney and their new real Star Wars hotel.
I’d like to see more of these fun lego Star Wars stories.