Johann-500

You Brits and your love of queuing! 😉
Thank you for the post, I am enjoying reading the links.

Eddie The Eagle (the British ski jumper at the 1988 Winter Olympics) is on 4K and blu ray.

But still no Star Wars trilogy.

I’ve never heard of the Holiday Special being better than the Prequel because of Carrie Fisher’s singing, but it is something I can get behind 😃
A big yes to Disney+ making all the different versions of the films available.

GlastoEls said:

Maybe it’s because I was a 4 year old in 1983, but I’ve always loved the Ewoks.

Said it before, but George’s decisions (happy ending, not bittersweet) means my childhood is forever locked with a party on a forest moon.

This is the same for me. I grew up with them just at that “right age” so perhaps we appreciate them more. I sometimes wish they could have been a little more fierce, and sounding a bit more hostile too. But it takes nothing away from my enjoyment when I see the film again.

I also enjoyed the 2 Ewok films as a kid, and the toy figures too. But the cartoon TV series was far too much, even for me!

The Original Trilogy won 10 Academy Awards in total: 7 wins for Star Wars, 2 wins for Empire and 1 win for Jedi.
 

I have a few questions about the Original Trilogy at the Oscars, if anyone can help?
 

Did anyone stay up and watch these live on TV at the time? What the buzz about the films at the Oscars? Were they expected to win as many as they did? Was it important or a “big deal” at the time?

Did the films have more respect afterwards because they won so many awards at the Oscars, or did that not really change?

What was the importance or surprise of a science fiction film winning Oscars at the time? Especially in 1978, where sci-fi was considered dead genre, maybe a even lower form of film, or a film more for children and teens?

Does George Lucas & Lucasfilm also now play down the films’ Oscars achievements too? Even more because the Special Editions cuts cannot claim to be the same Oscar winning films, and it appears they do not like talking about the unaltered theatrical cuts?

Are they also downplayed a little because the Prequel Trilogy and Sequel Trilogy did not win any Oscars?:
“A History of Star Wars at the Oscars” at Vulture
 

George & Lucasfilm seemed to be proud they won so many Oscars at the time, with the poster image above and other “congratulations” posters, but not much is seen, discussed or archived about them now.

Some fascinating pieces and information on the Original Trilogy at the Oscars:

Star Wars:

“40 years on: Star Wars at the Oscars” at Episode Nothing (Part 1) (Part 2) (Part 3)
“You Show Good Taste: Star Wars at the '78 Oscars” at Star Wars At The Movies
Oscars Database for Star Wars
 

The Empire Strikes Back:

“Special Visual Effects for Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back” at American Cinematographer
“Thank you, Lando: Empire at the ‘81 Oscars” at Star Wars At The Movies
Oscars Database for Empire
 

Return Of The Jedi:

“Return of the Jedi Oscar Consideration Ad” at The Mighty Jabba
“That Time Cheech and Chong Presented an Academy Award to ‘Return of the Jedi’” at ReMezCla
Oscars Database for Jedi
 

If anyone here knows of more online articles on the OT at the Oscars please post them in here too.

LexX said:

jedi_bendu said:

LexX said:

Stop with the cancel culture, thank you.

The only way I can see someone being fine with Quantic Dream getting this opportunity is if you don’t care about workplace exploitation, harassment, and homophobia.

Cool. Please stay on Twitter, this topic was about the game and not anything you’ve been posting.

I mean no disrespect, but you did go into Riquende’s thread for the new Boba Fett doc recently, and talk about Slave I supposedly being a political thing.
We can always just scroll past something we may not agree with, or does not interest us, and still talk about the things that do.

I do not remember George Lucas’ comments from that MTV interview above.
The journalist is right, Lucas did seem to want to bate the fans.

The 2006 DVDs can site a little more prouder on the shelf for me now!

I do not know anything about usenet, but these are available on public torrent sites so you may have more success on there?
They are also available on TheStarWarsTrilogy forums, with all you need to know about that in here:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/TheStarWarsTrilogy-com-and-invite-codes-to-it-read-the-actual-thread-before-posting/id/76099

Every Star Wars Movie Reviewed - Pt. 1 - The Original Trilogy:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBz7KAjZa5w - a 21 minute video from “The Cosmonaut Variety Hour” YouTube channel.
 

Not just ‘another Star Wars review video’, but a video with love and respect for the unaltered theatrical cut of the Original Trilogy. Funny in some parts too, with a bit casual swearing, so there is your NSFW warning.

If they are going for a low price then why not? An important part of Star Wars history, from the fans’ perspective.
It may not be high quality, but that too signifies a turning point for Lucasfilm, in beginning to release lazy and shoddy work, with little in the way of quality control.
It says something about Lucas himself too, fans rejecting his Special Edition and still wanted the originals, or both, and he put out this POS in response?
I’ll take this POS and stand it proudly on my shelf, next to Despecialized and 4K Tn1 releases. The official Special Edition releases hidden behind them.

I knew of the deleted scenes from the blu-ray and internet chatter at the time, but don’t recall anything about this Black Friday.
It is really surprising more isn’t know about it, from the effects crew talking about it in interviews over time, or just more leaking out in general. Books have been written on less! Those YouTubers will cover anything for clicks, yet nothing much on this at all.
What an interesting story of events.

some spam: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/probestworld/id/90492

LexX said:

Did they say Slave I out loud?

No, they didn’t. But the focus was on Boba himself, and very little on the ship.
I think there were more shots of the ship from The Mandalorian than there were from the other films and animated series.

That is amazing and looks even better next to the Vader and Stormtrooper helmets!
Will you be getting The Mandalorian EFX helmet as well?

I saw this comparison video from “Star Wars Replicas”, the $100 Black Series helmet does look very good quality too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8yFRhyPpsk - 10 minutes

November 17th – the absolute date it was originally aired.

Your articles are compelling, and very enjoyable too. Will you be doing any more soon?

Perhaps for The Bad Batch and The Mandalorian?

Once a year. I try and make time to watch all 3, I don’t watch any of the other Star Wars stuff often at all, just the Original Trilogy. Sometimes Rogue One and Solo, but they are not really a tradition, like it is for the OT. May be in the future it will be.
Always the original versions of the Original Trilogy. I’ve seen the later releases with more changes in each release, but watching them once or twice was enough for me.

I did manage to sit through the entire Holiday Special once, and have seen a few clips up on YouTube since. There should have been a postal “send away” for a free medal, or ability to join some sort of members club for watching that! 😃

Individual Trilogy tapes around 1988
Trilogy Boxed Set (1992)
Definitive Collection Laser Discs (1993)
“Faces” Trilogy on VHS (1995)
Trilogy: 4 DVD Box Set (2004)
Trilogy Limited Edition DVD (2006 GOUT)
The Complete Saga (2011 Blu-ray). To be able to own fan edits and preservations, I would not have bought them otherwise.
The Skywalker Saga (2020, 18 Disc Blu-ray)

Servii said:

It is kind of odd how the reveal of Anakin’s midichlorian count comes before we even learn what midichlorians are. Then, after they’re explained in detail by Qui-Gon, they’re not brought up again for the rest of the movie or the next movie. It feels like they went through all this effort to have Qui-Gon explain the concept because George really wanted it in the movie. It seems like one of those ideas that should have been left on the cutting room floor, but George was really attached to the concept and insisted it be spelled out for the audience.

I agree. George really did screw the whole thing up of midichlorians in the films.
And blaming fans for being the excuse why he didn’t mention it again is typical George, taking responsibility away from himself and placing it at the door of others.
If George could have handled it half as well as when he had Kenobi explain the force in the original Star Wars, and then had Yoda expanding on it in TESB, George would have likely pulled it off.
Instead we got what you described.
Not expanding on it in later films also didn’t help the whole midichlorians thing. Like George was embarrassed about it, so he dropped it.

May I ask for a link for this? Thank you in advance.

Also, is there any plex art or cover for The Force Awakens: Starlight?

I am very much enjoying this so far, and was not too sure what to expect when I first read Light Of The Jedi. To me the setting is welcome change from much of the other EU stories.
But I do wonder if a physical content release would help attract more people to The High Republic, maybe something such as a “Visions” episode, or a series of animated shorts on YouTube to introduce characters, setting, the backstory.
It would unfortunate for fans who may have an interest in THR who may go on to YouTube to have opinions colored by some of the permanently miserable, negative or “clickbaity” YouTubers.

The Acolyte is something I am looking forward to most in all the recent content announcement. But I do wonder if it would have been good to have something out and released around the same time as the books. I suppose the pandemic made this very difficult, even if there were plans or ideas for that to happen.

Soon I hope to read The Rising Storm. The comics soon after.

oojason said:

Is there any more news on this game?
Or was it a fake or fan made effort?

Some people have speculated there will be news of a new game in December, for Bring Home The Bounty: https://www.starwars.com/news/bring-home-the-bounty-announce because of the game controller icon used for the Week 10
release.
I hope it is a game, that it will be a Mandalorian game, but not getting all my hopes up that it will be a game at all.
Edit: Disney+ Day on the November 12 will may be give us some more news.

What are some of the Star Wars releases you previously disliked, but now like or enjoy?

Or hated, but now love?
Or thought “meh, that was poor”. But now think “Meh, that is okay”?
Or other changes of opinion?
And so on.
 

For me it is 2008’s The Clone Wars series.

I watched seasons 1 and 2 some 8 or 9 years ago. I tried to give the series a fair chance at the time, I wanted to like it, but just couldn’t. It didn’t feel like Star Wars, had no consequences to speak of, the characters and animations were lacking, it had a lack of realism or depth for me. It was all a bit bleh. Maybe it was underwhelming as it was set in an interesting timeline in the star wars universe, but when it turned out to be something different from what I was expecting it just didn’t do it for me.

Now, I have been watching the series again, and find myself more interested in the show and actually anticipating the episodes I haven’t yet watched (I am up to season 3 ‘Ghosts Of Mortis’). The series isn’t perfect, it does have a number of stinkers or “meh” episodes, but that can be said for any long running series. The characters are growing on me, and the stories too. Not all of the stories, but more than during the original viewing years ago.
 

What about you? Are there any tv series, films, specials, novels, comics or games you have changed your opinion on?

Disney+ seems to be the preferred and profitable way of releasing new Star Wars content. Though for the main films the disc releases in 2020, (4K/UHD, blu-ray and even DVD), were the latest physical home media releases of the OT.

But what do you think will be next physical release for the OT?

A boxset with the unaltered cuts in 4K/UHD sadly seems unlikely.
 

A future release with more changes to the films?
3 Trilogy boxsets of 3 films of the main Saga?
Another 9 film boxset?
An ultimate mega boxset with all films & series Lucasfilm says is ‘canon’?

May be a boxset with more unseen material from the films or behind the scenes content? (If any footage is left?) Or with new documentaries and extras?
A 8K/SuperUHD release in a few years, or other future format, with the films possibly being AI upscaled somehow?
 

Or something else? If so, what do you think it will be?

Stardust1138 said:

Johann-500 said:

Stardust1138 said:

Respecting creators including George should always take precedence to your beliefs.

Woah!
A civil respect, or a general respect? For sure.
Acknowledging their efforts, achievements and the content you enjoy, love or that resonates? Of course.

Yet the truth (or facts) should come first. Before the ‘precedence’ turns into blind respect, which then turns into idol worship. Where facts and the truth are then ignored because of that idol worship. Something that a great number of Star Wars fans have ignored when putting George up on a pedestal is the actual history of Star Wars, and also ignoring George’s attempts to both retcon, change and suppress parts of the history.

Stardust1138 said:

He may not of had every detail planned out but he had a broader sense of things to create story points for later. Mark Hamill spoke in the 80’s how George planned to end things on another plane of existence. This sure feels like someone who had an idea of where they wanted to go. Maybe not every detail as even he said he didn’t have but enough to know the broader strokes to create new storylines.

This was talked about only recently by you and another member on here? Where Lucas is quoted it was only had a vague “notion” and that “It wouldn’t be part of the main story, but a sequel to this thing” (Luke’s own personal story).

So it was not much other than a vague idea for a future story for Luke, and not for Lucas’s Sequel Trilogy. So the claim of Lucas having these “broad strokes”, “broader sense of things”, or “plans” for the Sequel Trilogy does not apply here.

In the end unfortunately many rejected him as they didn’t feel these concepts connecting Midi-Chlorians and the Force fit into Star Wars, when in reality they have always been there and align even with things Joseph Campbell talked about. Star Wars was always building to something bigger. It becomes even clearer the more you watch his six films.

It is important to remember that Midichlorians have not always been there in Star Wars. Despite Lucas trying to change history and insert his retconned quote to pass off ideas that came to him only later when writing the Prequels.

Has anyone found a mention of Midichlorians before Lucas’ writing for the TPM? If the term Midichlorians always existed in Star Wars it would not be difficult to prove for Lucas himself or Lucasfilm, but we have no evidence. Nothing other than Lucas’ famous retconned quote in a failed attempt to try and provide that evidence.

I hope you do not take my post as aggressive or an attack on you Stardust1138. You have a beautiful way with words and I enjoy reading your posts. But I feel I must highlight where I disagree, where the facts or evidence of the history does not add up (such as passing off Lucas’ vague idea for a possible future Luke story as his ideas for the Sequel Trilogy, with even Lucas himself saying this idea was not a part of the main story).

To quote Lucas in 1997: “[The whole story has] six episodes…If I ever went beyond that, it would be something that was made up".

You can respect but not always agree with someone. It’s common courtesy I find. There’s no need to insult someone or call anyone names or accuse them of x and y when we’re just as guilty of doing the very same things in our own lives in different ways. No one is perfect. We’re all flawed and make mistakes. George has his fair share but has every right to do what he feels is best as it’s his story at the end of the day. He’s always been one to change his mind. All creative people are like that. I’m a creative person. I never stick to the same ideas from one moment to the next. I always want to make my story better. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Especially as it’s my vision. Just as Star Wars was/is George’s vision. He can do whatever he pleases with it. It may belong to all of us but it’s also ultimately because of him we have it to begin with. Creators don’t have a responsibility to please or to give us what we want. Their job is to make something personal to them. Hopefully it’s morally responsible and helps us in some way but that’s a whole different topic. I’d say though George did that and then some.

I agree, but these are a societal given, or should be. The original response in reply to your post of “Respecting creators including George should always take precedence to your beliefs”, Again yes, respect at all times for sure, but that truth and facts come above individual beliefs, and such respect for creators should not prevent questions being asked, or the search for truth and facts.

No, not all creative people are like this. Please, no. I am an artist for my living. If I change my viewpoint or vision, I acknowledge it, I do not lie, retcon it, or pass off my new ideas as being old and thought of long ago, to justify a later ‘change of mind’. If I ever did this I would expect and deserve much criticism and derision to come my way for doing such a thing. Being a creative person is not an excuse, reason or a justification for these actions.

When I subcontract work out to others I do not make copies, make changes to it myself years later, and suppress the original work. The films are NOT George’s to do with as he pleases, and George himself acknowledges this when he says only a film director should be able to change a film.

Lucas also gave assurances to Kershner that Empire would be Kershner’s film, completely. Despite this, George has since altered the work and vision of two other creatives, the directors of Empire and Jedi. Lucas’ words about the director being the only person who should be able change the film came after him already having made alterations to the vision of Kershner and Marquand, and then still made further changes to the films for various releases.

What of Kershner and Marquand’s original films, their vision? Their original work is not available to see and experience, and have not been so for many years (except on old low quality vhs, laser disc etc etc).

It is also important to not forget the award winning and pioneering work done by creative and talented people who contributed to the films and that their work has been suppressed also. Work that was in public view for 20 years. But no longer.

For more information I recommend the George Lucas: Unreliable Narrator thread. Much of which I have wrote in here is from there. It highlights much of the factual history of the Original Trilogy, many of it from on this forum over a very long time. And also features Lucas’ lies, retcons, the shortfalls in his visions, and his attempts to change history. Though Jason and others in the topic are too polite to call Lucas a liar, or worse.

In there it also states Lucas himself is on the board of film preservation companies, helping to preserve films and explaining why it is important to do this and also showcase films and their history. But not his own film and the two other parts of the Trilogy.

Other creatives and directors in film make multiple versions of their work, their visions, available to all. To give the audience the choice to experience whichever version they choose to. Or to celebrate and discuss all of the versions. They do not lie, retcon, deceive or “change their mind” and deny fans the world over a version of important films that was available for 20 years. You state “Creators don’t have a responsibility to please or to give us what we want”, but it is more accurate to say it is not Lucas’ right or responsibility to take these away after 20 years of being available to us. Or to alter or take away the work of other creatives.

It’s not to say Midi-Chlorians have been there from the beginning but there’s plenty to say they don’t contradict things in the Original Trilogy. They were only three films part of a six or nine film saga he planned. Midi-Chlorians enhance things we learn in the Original Trilogy or vise versa if you decide to watch the films in the order George intended us to watch them. Things don’t seem like an accident. They just happen. Like Anakin building C-3PO. It’s not a coincidence but merely part of the story.

You state “Midi-Chlorians and the Force fit into Star Wars, when in reality they have always been there”. I merely pointed out the fact that they (Midichlorians) have not always been a part of Star Wars.

“It’s not to say Midichlorians have been there from the beginning”, when you now say this I am pleased you acknowledge such a fact.

I honestly look forward to reading more of your thoughtful and eloquent posts, personal views and beliefs.
 

I would debate that that Midichlorians do not enhance the Original Trilogy, and that C3PO being built by Anakin does not enhance the Prequels either, but these are indeed welcome personal opinions and points of view, not facts as discussed above. And I think are better suited for another time, though I do await to read more of your insights, and from many other interesting people on here.