Jeebus

Is there a ‘Missed the Reference’ thread?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/More-than-20-dead-after-shooting-at-Sutherland-12333530.php

Christ, at least 20 dead.

Possessed said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’d still like to know why you enjoy it.

None of the four of you who are ridiculing and mocking me have any interest in understanding why I enjoy it. You all just are having a cheap laugh at my expense.

You right.

And I could bet you significant amounts of real money that, if I had said I enjoyed any other show besides that particular one, I would not recieve the same level of derision and chastisement.

Im sorry but the people defending you are just kidding themselves to have a moral high ground.

Yeah, the real moral high ground is crawling through someone’s accounts on other websites to find shit you can use to make fun of them. Really, how dare he watch a show that’s not intended for his demographic. Doesn’t he realize it’s for children? Not just any children, girl children for god’s sake! Surely that must mean he’s nefarious in some way; non-criminals just don’t watch shows that aren’t marketed to them, it just doesn’t happen.

What footage did you have in mind?

Had a Google Chrome extension that automatically cleared the cache every time I opened a new page. That way I wouldn’t have to clear the cache manually when people update their avatars on here. Apparently the extension was updated and some shady tracking code was added, but I didn’t get the memo until at least a month after the update came out because I never fully close my Chrome. So now I have to manually clear my cache every time someone changes their avatar, and a portion of my information is on some server in Russia.

Possessed said:

I’m not going to tiptoe around it I’ll just say it.

Being a grown man and liking my little pony enough to watch it without your children is fucking creepy. We can be progressive and tolerant all we want, but next time you see someone your age in public, picturd them sitting at home watching Dora the Explorer or Blues Clues my themself and tell me it didn’t make you uncomfortable.

Honestly, doesn’t make me uncomfortable.

I really hated the first 2 Mandolorian episodes. They were overly silly, the jetpack antics made me want to bash my head against a wall, and the fight scenes were laughable. Maybe I was just in a bad mood when I watched, though. I really liked the Saw Gerrera episodes; they definitely seemed like a step in the right direction, and I enjoyed seeing Saw again. These last 2 Lothal episodes were nearly perfect, IMO. They struck the perfect tone, and I was glad to see stormtroopers being actually injured and not just cartoonishly knocked out (I think Ezra even slashed one!). The dark and gloomy atmosphere of the first episode was made up for with the more light-hearted second episode. I liked the joke with the stormtroopers chasing the Lothcats. The choreography of the fight scenes seemed greatly improved, especially the sequence where Ezra’s trying to hold off the stormtroopers at the hangar, but I noticed it even during the fighter chase. The sound design seems to be improved as well. I also liked the force mysticism going on, and I’m interested to see where that story goes.

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

Then why can’t all the times Kylo isn’t being unquestionably evil just be thrown under “Ben Solo?” Why couldn’t someone say; “it wasn’t Kylo feeling the call of the light side, that was Ben Solo momentarily showing through. Kylo is 100% evil.”

There is no indication that the First Order knows who Ren really is. Conversation about Han is left between Ren and Snoke.

Outside of the movie, I mean. Why couldn’t someone watching the movie say the above?

Because our perspective here is different from theirs. I said people in the Star Wars universe do this, not real world moviegoers.

Then I’m not sure why it was brought up in the first place.

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

JEDIT: Oh, and Star Wars has had more than 4 evil dark side characters (eg. Asajj Ventress), if you include The Clone Wars or Rebels.

The same Ventress that went on to help Ahsoka?

Ventress has her own plans. Dooku and Palpatine left her out in the cold, so she did what she did to her own ends, not because it was the right thing to do.

Then why help Ahsoka when she could very easily turn her in for the reward? Wouldn’t that be the evil and self-interested thing to do? Why listen to Ahsoka’s pleas not to kill the Clones? Wouldn’t it be much easier to kill them? Plus, there’s no worrying about the Clones waking back up and trying to find her. She even admitted later that she didn’t turn Ahsoka in because she sympathized with Ahsoka’s situation. That sounds anything but ‘pure evil and self interest’ to me to me.

I haven’t read it; but you should check out Dark Disciple, or a plot summary if you prefer; because I think it’s relevant.

SilverWook said:

Even Watto got a shop in the Orlando park named after him.

Weird, I think Watto’s actually considerably worse.

Do you think Willrow Hood had a lot of friends?

chyron8472 said:

JEDIT: Oh, and Star Wars has had more than 4 evil dark side characters (eg. Asajj Ventress), if you include The Clone Wars or Rebels.

The same Ventress that went on to help Ahsoka?

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

Then why can’t all the times Kylo isn’t being unquestionably evil just be thrown under “Ben Solo?” Why couldn’t someone say; “it wasn’t Kylo feeling the call of the light side, that was Ben Solo momentarily showing through. Kylo is 100% evil.”

There is no indication that the First Order knows who Ren really is. Conversation about Han is left between Ren and Snoke.

Outside of the movie, I mean. Why couldn’t someone watching the movie say the above?

And besides that, we’ve had at least 4 unquestionably evil characters in the franchise, 2 in the OT alone; why would you want another?

Yes. That’s the way the Dark Side works.

Not always. There’s an argument to be made that Dooku isn’t unquestionably evil, and I still don’t agree that Vader is unquestionably evil. And, of course, Kylo himself!

You don’t think it’s been played out?

No. Star Wars is fantasy. It’s also a longstanding franchise with certain tropes it has created for itself to follow. To stray too far from them is not understand what makes Star Wars what it is. This is why so many longstanding Star Trek fans hate Star Trek: Discovery.

Apparently not in this case, though. To go back to what CHEWBAKA said, they clearly did break (at least slightly) from the ‘unquestionably evil cartoon villain’ trope, and yet the biggest complaint about TFA is that it adheres to the formula too much. Sure, there may be a formula, but having an unquestionably evil villain is not part of it.

Personally, I think if anything the “there is no good or evil; everyone is flawed” trope that has been popular lately (The Walking Dead, Battlestar Galactica, ST:Discovery, Game of Thrones) has been overused.

There’s your problem. TV sucks.

Then why can’t all the times Kylo isn’t being unquestionably evil just be thrown under “Ben Solo?” Why couldn’t someone say; “it wasn’t Kylo feeling the call of the light side, that was Ben Solo momentarily showing through. Kylo is 100% evil.”

And besides that, we’ve had at least 4 unquestionably evil characters in the franchise, 2 in the OT alone; why would you want another? You don’t think it’s been played out? I think it has (and I’m not a fan of Snoke partly for that reason).

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

my understanding of the Dark Side is that to become a master of the dark side of the Force—not just able to use it, but to control it and to bend it to your own will—becoming unquestionably evil is pretty much a requirement.

Does Vader fall under that?

Are you seriously asking if Vader is unquestionably evil?

Vader wasn’t unquestionably evil. He was pretty evil, but “there was still good in him.”

chyron8472 said:

my understanding of the Dark Side is that to become a master of the dark side of the Force—not just able to use it, but to control it and to bend it to your own will—becoming unquestionably evil is pretty much a requirement.

Does Vader fall under that?

chyron8472 said:

My problem with Ren really is that he isn’t menacing. He’s dangerous, yes, but he lacks the underlying menace that is embodied in most of the other films’ villains up to this point. He’s not just a hothead; he’s… he’s a kid with unimaginable powers and a massive chip on his shoulder, rather than being a dark and unquestionably evil soul.

Being dark and unquestionably evil is boring at this point.

TV’s Frink said:

If Trump never goes down for any of this, maybe at least Sessions will?

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/30/jeff-sessions-indictment-bad-news-for-attorney-general/

I sure hope so.

chyron8472 said:

Frozen.

It’s not my favorite Disney film. At all. It has its moments, but the plot begs for more backstory and explanation of early story contrivances regarding the Elsa character; the movie’s message of female empowerment does not speak to me personally; and the true villain of the story turns out to be rather ineffectual, and not in an amusing or comical way. The film is not actually about the villain at all, who is really more of a side character to the plot.

The thing that bothers me about Frozen doesn’t even have anything to do with the movie itself, it was the movie’s damn ubiquity. I don’t have a problem with merchandising, but sometimes it gets to the point where it’s just too much, and I think that happened with Frozen. It came out in 2014 and I still see commercials for Frozen toys. See also: Minions.

LordZerome1080 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

LordZerome1080 said:

Handman said:

I’m glad you don’t have kids.

But I’m sad I don’t.

I’m glad he doesn’t either

Oh fuck that. No one on the planet gives a crap over what you’re glad about and anyone that claims they do is a liar.

Big words for a troll.

Hey, at least you got 2 words out of 5 correct.

Shaw was a miscast in the first place.

I am intrigued by the idea of making Jar Jar into a more serious character. It’s a bold move, but I’m not sure the fans were ready to see Jar Jar ‘rehabilitated.’ The wounds might’ve still been too fresh. And is it even possible to make Jar Jar a tolerable character without making him nigh unrecognizable, can this ‘rehabilitation’ be done believably?

Anakin Starkiller said:

-It’s okay to give Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers, but they should only be used when fighting other lightsaber wielders, not each other.

I don’t really see Palpatine humoring any low-level Jedi with a lightsaber duel. Why would he bother with that?

TV’s Frink said:

Yes, that’s why he’s falling into a pit.

ALLOL

Fuck Jeff Flake. He has no right to declare some sort of ‘moral high ground’ over Trump, not when he votes in line with Trump 90% of the time. Not when he votes AGAINST disaster relief; in fact, that puts him lower than Trump. Even Trump—a certified garbage human being—voted in favor of disaster relief.