that he considered murdering and thus set off a chain of events that created a evil that is responsible for the killing hundreds of innocent lives.
That isn’t what happened.
I suppose it is noticeable, but I wasn’t bothered by it. The voices are similar enough, and I think the dialogue is worth having.
EDIT: Shit, I was next page’d, now nobody will know what I’m replying to D:
Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.
Alternatively, and probably more easily; get someone that actually excites the liberal base—get the non-voters to go out and vote. Going right isn’t always, or even usually, the answer.
the liberals alone can’t elect a President.
They can if all of them vote. Let’s say, hypothetically, that the country has an even 50/50 split between liberals and conservatives. The 20XX election rolls around, and neither liberals or conservatives are too happy about their choices; so there’s only a 50% voter turnout, with half of the votes being for the left-leaning candidate and the other half for the conservative. If the liberals were excited about their candidate, then more would go out and vote, tipping the election towards the left-wing candidate.
I think it’s much easier to get those non-voters to vote than to try and win over moderates and right-wingers. Besides, the Democrat party is already trying too hard to win moderates and right-wingers over, and they lost their identity in the process. There is no liberal party in America.
Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.
Alternatively, and probably more easily; get someone that actually excites the liberal base—get the non-voters to go out and vote. Going right isn’t always, or even usually, the answer.
Back in '99, Trump floated the idea of running for president… with Oprah as his VP.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/10/08/trump.transcript/
KING: We’re back with Donald Trump. We’re going to be all over the board tonight talking about lots of issues as he announces the formation of exploratory committee to possibly seek the candidacy of the Reform Party.
Do have a vice presidential candidate in mind?
TRUMP: Well, I really haven’t gotten quite there yet.
KING: It’s just, you know…
TRUMP: Oprah, I love Oprah. Oprah would always be my first choice.
KING: Oprah?
TRUMP: Oprah. Your competitor, right?
KING: No. Oprah is a competitor to no one.
TRUMP: You know what? I tell you, she’s really a great woman, though. She is a terrific woman. She is somebody that is very special.
The BernieBros don’t like Harris though.
The BernieBros don’t even like Bernie. They’re just there to sink Democrats.
EDIT: I should add that I’m an actual Bernie primary voter (not just someone who plays a Bernie supporter on the Internet to peddle pro-Trump conspiracy theories) and sure Harris is more conservative than I’d like but so are most people. If we could have stopped fascism in the 1930’s merely by voting for less-than-perfect candidates, I’d have jumped at the chance. I would gladly vote for Romney or Bush Sr. if I thought it would stop the rise of white supremacy.
I agree with this. If it’s Kamala vs Trump, I’d definitely vote for her. I’m just a little skeptical of her commitment to the things she says. If a Medicare-For-All bill lands on her desk, will she approve it; or is her support of Medicare-For-All strictly to win votes?
I’m just curious, other than not being Trump, what qualifications does Oprah have for being President?
Being Oprah.
I agree with Jeebus and CatBus but I think this is a good answer.
What qualifications does Warbler have for being President?
Being Warbler.
What qualifications does Frink have for being President?
Being Frink.
What qualifications does Mrebo have for being President?
Being Mrebo.
😦
I’m pretty sure both yhwx and Mrebo were joking, though.
I am going to take a bold stance against all out-of-touch billionaires with no political experience running for president. No Trump, no Mark Cuban, and no Oprah.
Mithrandir, those are excellent observations. And not only was TLJ constrained by TFA in unfortunate ways but TFA colors how TLJ is perceived. I think that is inevitable but it does make the the creator’s hand all the more visible and the similarities all the more glaring in TLJ. Like you, I can’t ignore that. There are the separate question of whether Johnson’s intent was always well executed and whether there weren’t some other better alternatives (albeit probably still not satisfying). I think those questions preoccupy most discussions and to many look like nitpicks or nostalgia but are actually referring back to more fundamental objections to the film.
There are also philosophical/ideological objections to TLJ as envisioned by Johnson, which you touched on previously. But that goes beyond whether the film is good or bad, as you noted. Objecting to the particular views expressed through TLJ they won’t be convincing to anyone who doesn’t already share the same point of view - and most people don’t really care!
The fact that there are now new spiritual discussions to have about Luke’s journey at all is the most interesting part of all this. For all the cringe BB8 slapstick moments there’s this whole other side to the story that I really enjoyed.
You mean slapstick moments like when R2 got eaten by a swamp creature and spit out? Or when he reactivated the hyperdrive and rolled across the Falcon hold and fell into the access hatch? Or maybe when he plugged into a power outlet?
I would say that those examples are much more tasteful than some of the BB-8 stuff.
I don’t see them as different at all. Just older and more familiar. Same type of humor.
Sure, they’re both slapstick; but the slapstick in the OT much more restrained, and I think that’s partly due to technical limitations. Even if they wanted to have R2 hijack an AT-ST, for example, they couldn’t do it.
Mithrandir, those are excellent observations. And not only was TLJ constrained by TFA in unfortunate ways but TFA colors how TLJ is perceived. I think that is inevitable but it does make the the creator’s hand all the more visible and the similarities all the more glaring in TLJ. Like you, I can’t ignore that. There are the separate question of whether Johnson’s intent was always well executed and whether there weren’t some other better alternatives (albeit probably still not satisfying). I think those questions preoccupy most discussions and to many look like nitpicks or nostalgia but are actually referring back to more fundamental objections to the film.
There are also philosophical/ideological objections to TLJ as envisioned by Johnson, which you touched on previously. But that goes beyond whether the film is good or bad, as you noted. Objecting to the particular views expressed through TLJ they won’t be convincing to anyone who doesn’t already share the same point of view - and most people don’t really care!
The fact that there are now new spiritual discussions to have about Luke’s journey at all is the most interesting part of all this. For all the cringe BB8 slapstick moments there’s this whole other side to the story that I really enjoyed.
You mean slapstick moments like when R2 got eaten by a swamp creature and spit out? Or when he reactivated the hyperdrive and rolled across the Falcon hold and fell into the access hatch? Or maybe when he plugged into a power outlet?
I would say that those examples are much more tasteful than some of the BB-8 stuff.
They skipped 30 years because George took a break after ROTJ and here is no way to go back to that period, now.
But they chose to make it a period where several important things happened, rather than progressing the story in a more natural way, so that we could have Empire vs rebels again.
What do you think would’ve been a natural progression of the story?
Posting here since I want to respond, but I’m not gonna bump a long-dead Clone Wars thread.
About the 2008 Clone Wars cartoon: I like some of it, but I think most of its content conflicts with the actual movies way too much. Am I supposed to believe that “it’s unfair!” Anakin from Episode III or “he’s jealous! He’s holding me back!” Anakin from Episode II wasn’t granted the rank of master for whatever reason, even though he was a good teacher and a great general? I mean, it would suit Darth Vader, for sure, but not RotS Anakin, and even less AotC Anakin.
I suppose Anakin being too likable is a bit of a problem 😉
IMO, TCW Anakin is the “true” Anakin, he’s everything that Obi-Wan described him as in ANH. I remember seeing someone say that the reason he’s so different in TCW is because war is when he’s in his element. The idea was that during AotC, he was in the awkward Padawan stage. He was older and more mature than his peers, but at the same time he felt that he was being treated with kid gloves. When the war came around, he enjoyed a lot more freedom, he was a leader, and he had an enemy to focus his anger towards. By RotS, the loss of his Padawan had changed him. I’m sure that if the show wasn’t cancelled, the transition from TCW Anakin to RotS Anakin would be a lot more noticeable and believable.
Personally, I think it’s just easier to ignore the prequels. That’ll get rid of any character discrepancies right quick.
Also the whole chip idea is stupid, but apparently it was necessary due to their approach to the clone troopers. I loved the Star Wars: Battlefront 2 (2005) campaign and the idea that the clones knew what they had to do from the start, and that is still canon in my heart.
I have a ton of great memories with Battlefront 2, and I do like how they portrayed the clones (this particular entry of the 501st journal sprung to mind); but I also loved the clones in TCW. They’re very different interpretations, and I don’t think either is objectively wrong. I love both portrayals equally.
If I’m saying it in a sentence, it would be '77 Star Wars. If I was writing it down, it would be Star Wars (1977) or STAR WARS.
I agree except for the part where I’ve never watched the show so I can just stick to my opinion that it’s a dumb idea.
I agree.
I agree.
I’m of two minds on the Maul thing. I think bringing him back was a dumb idea and I’d never have done it if I was a showrunner, but once they’d done it they did go on to do some genuinely interesting things with him.
I agree.
Yeah I was told that once before.
Surviving getting cut in half is one thing. Getting a saber through the chest is quite another. It’s not like he’s going to come back as a head in a jar on a robot body.
Maul has been in RotJ all this time…
He did die on Tattooine. You might be on to something here.
I bought the CG in Blade Runner; but that might’ve been because I didn’t know if it was CG or not, so I wasn’t analyzing it as hard. I knew Tarkin was CG, so I was absolutely looking for anything strange or out of place; I thought it worked for the most part, it wasn’t perfect.
Important to note:
“The entire United States is within range of our nuclear weapons, a nuclear button is always on my desk. This is reality, not a threat,” Kim said in the annual address. “This year, we should focus on mass-producing nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles for operational deployment. These weapons will be used only if our society is threatened.”
But in a move that could ease tensions on the Korean Peninsula, Kim proposed immediate talks with Seoul over North Korea taking part in the Winter Olympics in PyeongChang.
“North Korea’s participation in the Winter Games will be a good opportunity to show unity of the people, and we wish the games will be a success,” Kim said.
Seoul responded warmly and welcomed the prospect of talks. A spokesman for South Korea’s presidential office said it has been open to the idea as long as talks are related to improving inter-Korean ties and building peace.
Moderately annoyed with how Kim’s “nuclear button” comment has been reported. It was difficult to find an article that included his qualifier of the weapons only being used if his regime is threatened, and I think that it’s a very important detail.
Are you kidding me
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948359545767841792
That’s insane…he basically said “five o’clock o’clock.”
Seriously though, the nuclear button one was worse.
JEDIT: ninja’d
I didn’t see it when I posted mine, but I do agree that it’s way worse.
Are you kidding me
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948359545767841792
Concept art of the casino level.
Marginally related. Feel free to ignore the top part, it’s not really the point of the post.
Had a thought for a slight change to TLJ. When Luke is “thinking” fleetingly about ending Ben Solo’s life, we should use Audio of Snoke saying something like “kill him!” If Snoke was the impetus for Luke’s actions, that would be much better than Luke himself thinking of doing it.
Better idea—Luke has a force vision of Palpatine’s iconic “do it,” and then Kylo has a force vision of Jar Jar stepping in bantha poodoo, causing him to wake up 😛
What exactly would you guys say are specific reasons why TLJ is so divisive?
Not why it sucks, or why it’s wonderful—but what about the film seems to (apparently) be making it a love it or hate it kind of thing?
Like, if I were to have a conversation with someone I know irl about TLJ, and if I said it seems to be really divisive regarding the fanbase, and they asked me why, what could I say?
…I’m having this hypothetical conversation with family in my head, but I don’t know how to explain conceptually why its divisive, especially to someone who hasn’t seen the film yet.
I would say it is that half the people in the world are dumber than average and the other half are smarter than average creates the divide.
And it just so happens that the smarter half agrees with you, right?
Fucking lol
I agree - LOL as it was a joke.
lol, that’s good to hear. I wasn’t sure, I wouldn’t be surprised to see somebody saying it in earnest 😉
