Jeebus

Collipso said:

Just like VIII would explain Rey’s magical force powers?

All force powers are magical.

Porkins4real said:

chyron8472 said:

What exactly would you guys say are specific reasons why TLJ is so divisive?

Not why it sucks, or why it’s wonderful—but what about the film seems to (apparently) be making it a love it or hate it kind of thing?

Like, if I were to have a conversation with someone I know irl about TLJ, and if I said it seems to be really divisive regarding the fanbase, and they asked me why, what could I say?

…I’m having this hypothetical conversation with family in my head, but I don’t know how to explain conceptually why its divisive, especially to someone who hasn’t seen the film yet.

I would say it is that half the people in the world are dumber than average and the other half are smarter than average creates the divide.

And it just so happens that the smarter half agrees with you, right?

Fucking lol

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Here’s the video, if you haven’t seen it.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192111974.html

Did they say for certain whether or not the guy had gun on him? The image of the guy is not very sharp. I can’t what he was doing when he got shot.

He didn’t.

It does look possible that he drew gun.

lol

Still haven’t had the time to give this a full watch-through, but I noticed that the audio seems to get quieter around the scene where Luke asks Leia about her mother. Is this just a problem on my end?

I agree that Rey won the fight. Not that it means anything, though; because it was established that Kylo was an emotional and physical wreck that was completely unfit to fight anyone.

Here’s the video, if you haven’t seen it.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192111974.html

Shopping Maul said:

I always though he was Force-choking them. I thought this, and the black outfit, were Lucas’ way of foreshadowing the possibility that Luke could go either way Force-wise.

Yup, that was pretty much the point of the movie. I’m amazed that people thought otherwise.

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Mocata said:

DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.

By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.

I wasn’t part of the Luke Force choke debate, sorry.

Given Mark Hammill believe Luke never used Force Choke we can put that debate to bed.

I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.

anyone know exactly what the screenplay says in that scene?

It doesn’t matter. What matters is what’s on the screen, and they’re clearly being choked. They make gurgling sounds and put their hands up to their throats.

The screenplay might show what they intended Luke to be doing in that scene.

Why is this still a debate?

Because I’ve watched that scene millions of times over the last 34 years since it came out, and I never got the idea he was using force choke.

And your perception is the be-all-end-all? Didn’t you miss the salt thing on Crait?

moviefreakedmind said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-arrest-man-suspected-swatting-preceded-deadly-police-shooting-n833576

Police murder an innocent man based on a fraudulent phone call. The police brutality angle is what people are ignoring here. Apparently all it takes for an officer to go in ready to kill is a single unsubstantiated report.

B-but it’s alright because he was Reaching For His Waistband™

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

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Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

The explanation is chewie had just shot kylo ren with his crossbow and he was quite injured. You can even see blood falling out of his suit in several shots.

Sorry, I don’t buy it. Yeah he was injured, but it was still someone trained against someone untrained.

Obviously the only way to test this is for you to go get trained in the Force, dahmaged will shoot you in the side, and then you and I will have a lightsaber fight. Let’s do this.

^ silly.

Let me know when you come up with a better way to prove you’re right and I’m wrong about that scene.

Let me know when lightsabers and the force become real and then we’ll see.

“That is why you fail.”

I don’t get it.

They’re real.

This is true

I think people are underestimating the guilt Luke must’ve felt when Kylo turned. Ben wasn’t just any student, Ben was his nephew, the son of his best friend and sister; and Luke failed him. Luke failed Ben in the worst way a Jedi master can fail. He also failed all of his other students, and they died because of his failure.

EDIT: On top of that, he probably figured that Leia and Han never wanted to see him again. Or, at least, he couldn’t bring himself to face them after what he’d done.

Man dies after being shot by Wichita officer investigating possible homicide

Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in deadly Wichita police shooting

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

It’s not the movies fault that you missed an important detail.

I missed it cause it isn’t there.

Uhh, what?

the important detail(s) explaining what Luke was doing and whatnot. It wasn’t there.

It was clearly shown that he did not interact with the salt.

EDIT: Not sure about the image policy, so I’ll just put them in quotes and pretend that it makes a difference.

Kylo:

Luke:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

It’s not the movies fault that you missed an important detail.

I missed it cause it isn’t there.

Uhh, what?

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

It wasn’t explained because it didn’t need to be, Rian did a very good job at showing and not telling. It was shown when Luke dragged his foot across the salt without making a mark.

Not good enough, I was confused by the whole thing and I sure I’m not the only one.

What would the alternative be? Should Luke have been phasing through walls? Should Luke have turned to the camera and told the audience that he was a projection? It’s not the movies fault that you missed an important detail.

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Why did he stand there and let Kilo Ren kill him?

Kylo Ren didn’t kill him, the force projection was incredibly draining and he was going to die anyway.

That is not clearly explained in movie, and why was he “going to die anyway”?

Not explained, but recall how he looked and acted when he “awoke” on Ach-To. The projection took an immense amount of energy, enough to kill him. When I say he was “going to die anyway,” I mean that whether or not Kylo swung at him, he was going to die when he awoke.

sorry not buying it.

and why didn’t he try to kill Kilo Ren right there?

He couldn’t. IIRC he wasn’t able to physically interact with the world, at least not to that extent, he was just a projection.

This is not clearly explained in the movie either.

It wasn’t explained because it didn’t need to be, Rian did a very good job at showing and not telling. It was shown when Luke dragged his foot across the salt without making a mark.

Not good enough, I was confused by the whole thing and I sure I’m not the only one.

Alright; take it up with Rian, then.

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Why did he stand there and let Kilo Ren kill him?

Kylo Ren didn’t kill him, the force projection was incredibly draining and he was going to die anyway.

That is not clearly explained in movie, and why was he “going to die anyway”?

Not explained, but recall how he looked and acted when he “awoke” on Ach-To. The projection took an immense amount of energy, enough to kill him. When I say he was “going to die anyway,” I mean that whether or not Kylo swung at him, he was going to die when he awoke.

and why didn’t he try to kill Kilo Ren right there?

He couldn’t. IIRC he wasn’t able to physically interact with the world, at least not to that extent, he was just a projection.

This is not clearly explained in the movie either.

It wasn’t explained because it didn’t need to be, Rian did a very good job at showing and not telling. It was shown when Luke dragged his foot across the salt without making a mark.

Warbler said:

So Rey’s parents were nobodies, just ordinary people? Then how did she before force sensitive? Wouldn’t it make more sense for at least one of her parents to be force sensitive?

Why is there this idea that force-sensitivity can only be passed down? Sure, it seems to be genetic, but clearly that’s not the only way someone becomes force-sensitive.

Why did he stand there and let Kilo Ren kill him?

Kylo Ren didn’t kill him, the force projection was incredibly draining and he was going to die anyway.

Why didn’t he make the fight last as long as possible, giving the resistance more time to escape

They did escape, didn’t they? No need to delay longer than that.

and why didn’t he try to kill Kilo Ren right there?

He couldn’t. IIRC he wasn’t able to physically interact with the world, at least not to that extent, he was just a projection.

The lack of cohesion between the two movies has become a bit of a problem to me. It’s clear that the movies don’t know where they’re going. Plotlines are set up in TFA that are completely abandoned in TLJ, or just subverted in the laziest way. I do like the idea that Rey’s parents are nobodies, but it just doesn’t fit with what we were shown in TFA. This cohesion problem isn’t exclusive to the ST, it’s prominent in the OT as well; I suppose it just never bothered me since I grew up with the trilogy already existing. Leia was always Luke’s sister, in my mind.

SilverWook said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Yes. If Kylo would have lied to her, he wouldn’t have said that she already knows it and then be surprised that she didn’t.

I don’t buy that her parents are dead and buried on Jakku. Why did she have this flashback in the middle of her experiecning visions after touching Luke’s saber in TFA? It’s the only thing she recognizes and has nothing (seemingly) to do with Luke.

I think it’s just because the trilogy wasn’t planned out. JJ thought that Rey’s parents should be important, Rian felt differently.

Going by the popular vote isn’t going to fix the underlying problems with the first-past-the-post system.

That’s excellent. I really like the rescoring, feels a lot more “Star Wars.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/364691-ny-gov-to-announce-legislation-to-remove-firearms-from-people-who-commit