JediRandy

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Post: #299066
Topic: "Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299066/action/topic#299066
Time: 15-Oct-2007 3:45 PM

Originally posted by: Mike O

Originally posted by: JediRandy
Being that it's completely financed by Lucasfilm I doubt the networks are too worried about losing money.

They're probably concerned about ratings. And the advertisers pay them, if we're talking about money. They certainly wouldn't lose money in terms of financing the progam, as LFL have already done that, but they might be concerned about others things. Really, we have no clue.

It's basically a free show for them to air in whatever time slot they can fit it into. They don't have to hire anyone, pay anyone...they just wait for LFL to send them the prints.

Rating, Randy, ratings

. You're right, however, that it is they who would be paid by advertisers and such.

And as much as the PT is loathed around here and other fanboy sites...

I never though I'd hear you admit that.

they still made a ton of money and they'll drum up enough interest just out of plain curiosity. Add in DVD sales and the networks will work out fine on the money end.

The mainstream were interested in the films, but how much will they care about the TV series? It's more for fans, I think. Not to say that that means that there's no money (quite the reverse), just that even if people are curious, I doubt that Joe six-pack is all that interested in A HUNDRED PLUS episodes of a Star Wars show.

The shows will air somewhere.

Duh

.

So if this is true this tells me there isn't even concrete story ideas let alone scripts, which means the series should air in.... oh say.... two thousand and never.

Hope springs eternal.

I dunno if the ratings will be that bad, man. I think a lot of haters kinda live in a bubble where SW it now a despised piece of crap that is laughed at... Networks try out these Sci-Fi type shows just hoping it catches a Buffy-like cult following. SW has a built in cult following no matter how much fanboy bitching takes place online.

The Clone Wars cartoon was a blast... even the most pissy fanboy should be able to enjoy a half hour of that stuff once a week. But who knows.

Post: #299048
Topic: "Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299048/action/topic#299048
Time: 15-Oct-2007 11:01 AM

Being that it's completely financed by Lucasfilm I doubt the networks are too worried about losing money. It's basically a free show for them to air in whatever time slot they can fit it into. They don't have to hire anyone, pay anyone...they just wait for LFL to send them the prints.

And as much as the PT is loathed around here and other fanboy sites... they still made a ton of money and they'll drum up enough interest just out of plain curiosity. Add in DVD sales and the networks will work out fine on the money end.

The shows will air somewhere.

Post: #297548
Topic: George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297548/action/topic#297548
Time: 20-Sep-2007 11:01 AM

Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
it gets even stranger because the only versions of star wars and empire strikes back that were on AFI's 100 movies 100 years list were the original theatrical versions.

They were pretty vocal in public before about Lucas suppressing the original versions then in 2005 they kissed his ass by giving him a lifetime achievement award and special.

Lucas it a moron and is not in reality the man is insane or competely ego driven.

i'm going to keep the eternal search going for the film prints and some day maybe i'll have enough money to buy the original versions on film and a anamorphic projector to watch the original versions in better quality than the gout. my only other hope is the X-0 project.

i used to be one of Lucas biggest fans and supporters before 1997. now he can burn in hell for all i care for destroying the films i grew up with and love.

i just wish more people in hollywood and the movie business were more vocal. put advertisements in cinefex and american cinematographer to protest the original versions not being restored.

the people in france were outraged by the gout and the upscaled ntsc to pal transfer and non anamorphic. they should have kicked lucas ass out of cannes and not allowed him back until he restores the versions that made him famous.

Lucas has so much money power and influence that even his closest friends, former employees and friends, etc. are affraid to appose him or expose the lying tyrant he is.

Kershner and kurtz as well as kasden should vocally appose him on the issue. where is the former marcia lucas, or even mark hamill who supposedly prefers the original versions. where are the effects artists matte painters and others whos work is being shit all over by lucas.

i guess to remain in the business they kiss his ass, and don't want any bad blood. Richard Edlund, Dennis Muren, John Stears, john dyktsra should have gone toe to toe with the bastard.

instead of honest producers and collaborators telling lucas the special editions and prequels are shit you have puke yes men who keep him in his bubble of lies about being a genius and everything he produces is gold.

the critics can often be wrong yet the best way for a writer in the business of writing books is to have constructive criticism to make the end product better and an editor. seems to me some in the business of making movies need the same.

the biggest lost to Lucas and the star wars films as a whole his divorce in 1983 from marcia lucas she is the one who kept him grounded and gave star wars a humanism it is bereft of without her.

And that is the kind of response that I don't get at all. "Lying tyrant", "bastard", "burn in hell", "moron", "insane".... geez, thanks for taking a civilized discussion and turning it into another TfN basher sanctuary bible verse.

On another note, looks like the AFI web site changed the title... looks like the emails worked.

Post: #297504
Topic: George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297504/action/topic#297504
Time: 19-Sep-2007 6:21 PM

Originally posted by: Puggo - Jar Jar's "Yoda"

Originally posted by: JediRandyWell said but if it's the original author of the piece of art... then you don't really have room to complain, IMO.

You raise a point that begs several classic questions... (1) suppose a great artist, say DaVinci, in his later years went clinically insane and had delusions that his masterpieces must be destroyed because they were possessed by demons. Must it be done? (2) what if someone paid DaVinci to destroy them, on a lark, and DaVinci decided he wanted the money? Must it be done? (3) What if someone today bought the Mona Lisa, and decided to publicly burn it? Must it be done? By your statement above, not only are the answers to all of these questions "yes", nobody should even complain about it.

Well, shouldn't someone? At what point does art take on a cultural significance beyond that of a mere commodity owned by someone?

Even more to the point, shouldn't an organization that purports to be a film "institute" at least condemn the major alteration of a classic film, regardless of whether it has any legal basis to enforce it? I think it should, on the very basis of what it says on its own webpage, that it "maintains America's film heritage". By not taking a stand on the preservation of a great film, it shirks its most fundamental duty, and loses all credibility as a film "institute", in my opinion.

I shouldn't have said you don't have room to complain... you do.

Lemme word this differently.

I don't believe that a piece of art is ever not 100% owned by it's original author. Doesn't matter if it's shown to people who paid money to see it. It doesn't matter if the art has taken on a cultural significance. Because a group of people love something a lot doesn't mean they own it. If the author sells it, then that's another story.

A movie, while being worked on by plenty of other people, is still owned by the creator/director/writer. The argument that Kurtz, Kirsh, or whoever made it into the credits owns a part of SW doesn't work for me. These people are freelance creators who know going in that it's GL's show. GL hired them & paid them to do a freelance job. Freelance artists hardly ever own anything they create. The people they create the art for can basically do anything they want with it. Sure it sucks that some of their work is being altered or eliminated, but that's part of the gig. A gig they wouldn't have had anyway without the guy who is making the changes.

Should the 77 version be preserved? Absolutely. GL said it doesn't exist anymore, right? I highly doubt that, there's gotta be a copy somewhere on his compound up there. But the bottom line is he thinks these new versions are better. I agree with him that some parts are better... the cleaning up, the trench scene all make a better looking flick. Sure the Jabba stuff kinda sucks and the Greedo thing really sucks, but at the end of the day I still love the hell out of those movies... even the SE.

Well said again, Puggo.

Post: #297492
Topic: George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297492/action/topic#297492
Time: 19-Sep-2007 4:32 PM

Originally posted by: Puggo - Jar Jar's "Yoda"

For example, suppose that someone took some pre-Rennaisance paintings and improved them by correcting some of the technical mistakes in their use of perspective. Although the technical delivery would be improved, and quite possibly even their aesthetic appeal and power in some cases, they would have considerably less artistic/cultural value. Their significance would immediately become questionable, and it would be impossible to learn anything about art in the time period in which they were first rendered, since an observer would not know which aspects were actually from that era and which were added later.

Well said but if it's the original author of the piece of art... then you don't really have room to complain, IMO.

Good to see you guys got them to change the title, though.

Post: #297480
Topic: George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297480/action/topic#297480
Time: 19-Sep-2007 11:10 AM

Originally posted by: CO
JediRandy is just a troll, and I find his posts hilareous sometimes, and we shouldn't take offense to him, cause you have to put it in context: He is taking time out of his day to write a post for something he doesn't care about just to mock us, I feel pretty sad for him, cause he could be doing something more constructive with his life.

I have debated JediRandy on TFN and ORS, and he actually isn't this PT gusher that he comes off as, as he is pretty reasonable, but he is just the type of guy who just doesn't hate Lucas the same way we do for the suppression of the OOT, and thinks were a bunch of whiners. So in a sense, he agrees with us on our assessment of the movies, he just isn't as passionate about it as we are, and he is trying to goad us with his posts.

I say to everyone, enjoy his posts with a grain of salt, and if nobody replies to him and he believes he isn't getting us, he will go away.

That is the most rational response to one of my goofy posts I've ever heard. You actually get it. Thanks. I agree with you folks, I just don't agree that GL is the Stalin of film.

Post: #297447
Topic: George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297447/action/topic#297447
Time: 18-Sep-2007 6:28 PM

To Whom It May Concern:

I’m writing in an effort to establish which version of Star Wars you are showing for your 40th anniversary celebration. In case you are not aware there are different versions of the film each of which we nerds complain about at various levels. Naturally the original unaltered version as shown in 1977 is the preferred version while each subsequent version released thereafter is bemoaned upon more and more resulting in emails such as this. If said emails fail to result in our desired outcome an online petition will be created and signed by every nerd at my disposal. The last time we did this it resulted in an unsatisfactory bonus disc release suitable only for the knob operated television set my father used to watch the Honeymooners on. But I digress.

So getting back to my initial reason for contacting you, please know that only the original version of Star Wars is accepted by true Star Wars fans. Anyone that accepts poorly rendered Jabba the Hutts and odd muppet-like musical numbers is clearly not a fan but rather a sheep crawling wherever George Lucas points his Shepard’s stick.

Thank you for your time,
JediRandy

Post: #296340
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/296340/action/topic#296340
Time: 29-Aug-2007 7:03 PM

double post

Post: #296339
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/296339/action/topic#296339
Time: 29-Aug-2007 7:02 PM

Originally posted by: Wookie Wedgie
Yeah, piss off, Randy, don't you have a shitty comic to work on or something, or have you forgotten about that, too?

Alright, I'll be back next time you guys start a thread about George Lucas' T-Shirt.

Post: #295252
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295252/action/topic#295252
Time: 14-Aug-2007 2:09 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

Not being accepted by you is waaaaay better than being accepted.

As proven by your constant reappearance. Such a perverse pleasure in trolling.

The best part of this stuff is that I’m not nearly the gusher you guys have labeled me as

No, the best part is you were banned from TF.n for defending Lucas. ROFL! THAT floats my boat!

no, the best part is that you actually remember... because I don't... what was I banned over there for? You used to cut n paste my posts all the time, so head on over to the files, MeBe

Post: #295231
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295231/action/topic#295231
Time: 14-Aug-2007 10:51 AM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

Weren't you BS guys booted from TfN too?

The difference is, you were banned by a gusher for gushing. How fucking ironic is that?!? ROFL!

And unlike you, I was invited back. I declined.

as long as I've MeBe around, I'm happy.

Spoken like a person who clearly doesn't understand what the concept of being accepted is like.

Not being accepted by you is waaaaay better than being accepted.

The best part of this stuff is that I’m not nearly the gusher you guys have labeled me as… but hey, whatever floats yer boat.

Post: #295049
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295049/action/topic#295049
Time: 11-Aug-2007 6:44 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
He needs someone to hate, because no one in his life can stand him. It makes perfect sense.

Why else would he wast......er, spend so much time on a board with people that he has a fundamental disagreement with?

Besides, TF.n doesn't want him, and those folks are a lot more like him than we are. Being ostracized from one's own kind can be difficult to take (hence the resentment.) Gomer was likewise forced here.

Weren't you BS guys booted from TfN too? That's why you're over at ORS rehashing PT jokes now... I've never asked to be "reinstated" by Strillo... I don't miss it as much as you'd think... as long as I've MeBe around, I'm happy.

And where's Gomer? You guys boot the poor kid?

Post: #294946
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294946/action/topic#294946
Time: 10-Aug-2007 10:49 AM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

They're certainly beyond any repair you're capable of making.

Randy, you and I are in complete agreement.

And now, to update my .sig....

Seriously folks, Lucas had better get his head on straight and release the original versions in good quality if he thinks it's OK to just walk around wearing a shirt like that.

For some reason, this reminded me of a Laurent Bouzereau interview (He had hours of interviews with Lucas, Kershner, et. al. for the Star Wars Annotated Screenplays.)

LB: No, no! He was so excited to do it. He's great. Also, for Eyes of Laura Mars I did a commentary with (director) Irvin Kershner. That's something I really wanted to do because of Kershner, he's a great guy.

DF: He's also responsible for directing the only good Star Wars movie, The Empire Strikes Back. It would be great to have a commentary on that!

LB: I did one...but just for me.

DF: Really!?

LB: I recorded him watching the movie with me. He came to my house and I have it on MiniDisc. We just talked about the movie. I did it for my book (Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays) - I went to his house and interviewed him. He was just so great. And I asked him to come over and watch the movie with me. I had bagels and stuff.

DF: Ewok-shaped bagels, I hope? (laughs) Which version of the film?

LB: It was the old version. Definitely. So I have a commentary...sort of. It was really fun, really great!

DF: I think you should sell it on eBay and retire! (laughs)

Yay! I made your sig again! You heart me.

In honor of your new sig... I updated me as well...

Post: #294778
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294778/action/topic#294778
Time: 7-Aug-2007 2:36 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

The only think that gets me in a tizzy is finally seeing how you edited Jar Jar Binks out of Ep1. That'll rock.

Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair. It's gonna take more than just removing some nasty visuals. Not even worth the trouble.

They're certainly beyond any repair you're capable of making. But keep reachin' for the stars, Champ.

Post: #294055
Topic: 2007 Star Wars DVD Collection Release
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294055/action/topic#294055
Time: 30-Jul-2007 4:29 PM

Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Go back to bed, Randy.

Yeah, maybe I should...

Post: #294052
Topic: 2007 Star Wars DVD Collection Release
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294052/action/topic#294052
Time: 30-Jul-2007 4:08 PM

The flick is GL's..... sure alot of people made fantastic contributions, but they knew going in that GL has the final call. They especially knew that working on Empire on through the PT. Sure his call's aren't always good ones, but it's his flick... now go zoom in on your non anamorphic OOT discs.

Post: #294037
Topic: 2007 Star Wars DVD Collection Release
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294037/action/topic#294037
Time: 30-Jul-2007 3:02 PM

Originally posted by: vbangle
Listen up Kurt, Star Wars might "his film" but its was "my money" that helped make it a classic and GL a gazillionaire....so enough about them being "his films"....without the fans he would of turned out to be just another has been in Hollywood long ago....

Oh the ol' "My Money My Film" line! Well played!

Post: #293235
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293235/action/topic#293235
Time: 23-Jul-2007 6:26 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Don't worry too much about JR, guys. He lives to work himself into a tizzy over us on these boards. It's an odd sort of love.

The only think that gets me in a tizzy is finally seeing how you edited Jar Jar Binks out of Ep1. That'll rock.

Post: #292843
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292843/action/topic#292843
Time: 18-Jul-2007 4:56 PM

Originally posted by: CO
"So when the premiere came up in for ESB in 1980, George called me and said he wasn't going to it, I was to go all by myself. I asked George why he was bowing out and he said that this was my movie, and he would just overshadow me on my achievement." -Irvin Kershner on ESB Commentary
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Hey JediRandy, I guess George can do whatever he wants to his movies, oh excuse me, Kershner(ESB) and Marquands(ROTJ) movies.

I think sometimes the Lucas-stepfords lose sight that George didn't DIRECT those movies!

so he had nothing to do with it at all... all right, sure thing, boss.

Post: #292839
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292839/action/topic#292839
Time: 18-Jul-2007 4:34 PM

Originally posted by: Mike O

Originally posted by: JediRandy

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

Shouldn't you be finishing up editing someone else's work?

Getting there....glad to see you're still interested in the project. There's obviously not enough excitement in your own life to keep you away from these boards.

Yeah, I was just talking to your Assistant Editor the other day... he said it sucks.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/serial_killers/notorious/serial_killer_movies/Leatherface200.jpg

Yet he still makes the original version available in high quality. Unlike a certain some else who edits other people's work. Some who's initials are GL.

Oh the ol' "GL didn't have anything to do with the last 2 OT movies"... that's a classic!

Post: #292825
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292825/action/topic#292825
Time: 18-Jul-2007 1:32 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

Shouldn't you be finishing up editing someone else's work?

Getting there....glad to see you're still interested in the project. There's obviously not enough excitement in your own life to keep you away from these boards.

Yeah, I was just talking to your Assistant Editor the other day... he said it sucks.

Post: #292781
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292781/action/topic#292781
Time: 17-Jul-2007 5:50 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
And we should care about your opinion...uhm....because..........?????

Let me guess, TF.n banned you again?

[EDIT]

LOL... looks like they're not letting you back in. It must suck to be a troll.....

Shouldn't you be finishing up editing someone else's work? Or have you grown a pair and started editing your own work?

Post: #292773
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292773/action/topic#292773
Time: 17-Jul-2007 4:33 PM

Is there a remote possibility he wore that shirt cuz it's funny or was it really a slap in the OT fans face?p

Post: #292688
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292688/action/topic#292688
Time: 16-Jul-2007 6:19 PM

Bottom line is, wearing that shirt got the fanboy panties in a major twist... hell, they're so twisted they're in a knot! Maybe ol' Evil George is able to have a laugh and fanboys are still treating this stuff like it's a life or death situation.

Post: #292482
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292482/action/topic#292482
Time: 13-Jul-2007 4:07 PM

Originally posted by: CO

Originally posted by: JediRandy
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

I know you love things like this, cause it gets all the OOT fans in an uproar, but Lucas loses all credibility when he does stuff like this. For years and years of saying, "Those versions don't exist and I have changed the movies the way I want to cause I couldn't do this and that in 1977..." Then to wear a shirt that actually contradicts his changes in '97 & '04? Doesn't this go right to the point that it is all about money with Lucas, and not his vision, since they are selling these shirts!

It would be like George W. Bush wearing an Anti-War shirt outside the White House one day.

Except that one results in 3000 troops dying plus countless others and the other is a make-pretend kids movie.

I've been saying for years some fans need to get a grip on reality and quotes like that one put a big giant bow on it.

Originally posted by: Tiptup
Wow. He probably thinks its all a joke.

Or a movie.