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#107440
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107440/action/topic#107440
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For me, most the bad things weren't as bad the second and third time around. Like Vader's "NOOOOOO!" The first time I heard it, I was horrified. The second time, it still sounded dumb, but I didn't really take as much notice to it. And the third time, it hardly ruined the scene at all, thought it would still probably be better without it.

General Grievous also got less dumb the more times I watched it. It might just be the fact that I knew it was coming, so i was able to prepare for it. The first time, all the dumb stuff caught me completely off guard (even though I was expecting it to be dumb, I didn't know where or when the dumbs parts would be).

Padme's death at the end got dumber the more times I wacthed though. The first time, I didn't even care about the "She's lost the will to live" line, but now I think it's a horrible line. Same with Palpatine telling Anakin he killed Padme.
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#107441
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How do you rate EpIII?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107441/action/topic#107441
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Originally posted by: TheSessler
Maybe in 20 years we can give a definite ranking of Ep III.


Well, over time, tastes and opinions do change. Originally, ROTJ was my favorite with ANH as my second favorite. I didn't like ESB because of all the darkness and I felt bad for everyone... But now, for those exact reasons, I love ESB and it's my favorite.

So who knows, maybe in 5, 10, 15 or 20 years, ROTS or AOTC will be at the top of most people's list. Or even, god forbid, TPM.
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#107331
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107331/action/topic#107331
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When I watched the movie a third time, I noticed that it won't be possible to stream the Obi-wan and Anakin fight together. You'll have to have something in there breaking it up into segments. Because when they're fighting, and it cuts away to Yoda, when it comes back, they're in different places and poses. It would just jump around and look really weird if you tried putting it all together, because one second they'd be on a table and the next they'd be standing up on the ground... You see what I mean?

Once they get outside however, it'd be possible to stream the parts together. Just not when they're inside.

-edit-
Meh... the screen captures didn't work for some reason. If I can fix it, I'll post an example.
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#107265
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A modest proposal: Should Lucas make more OT changes?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107265/action/topic#107265
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Luke isn't a bad Jedi. he's a really good Jedi. But just because he's good with the force and his emotions, doesn't mean he's great with a light saber. I really wouldn't want the fights changed. There's no real reason, just... I like watching the OT fights way more than the PT fights. Even if the PT fights are super awesome bouncing off walls double bladed cooler deaths chopping off heads...

But yeah, the OT fights are just more fun to watch. Especially the fights in ESB and Jedi.
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#107329
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107329/action/topic#107329
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fans own the trilogy, shut up. Thanks.

Nobody's telling you that you have to like it. If we liked it and we want to talk about it with other people, you don't have to be a part of it. It's all just a matter of opinion, so don't come in here shooting your mouth off about how you're right and other people are wrong. I've talked to lots of people who haven't liked it, and it didn't matter. I liked it, they didn't... So what? But they were all alot more respectful of other people's opinions and weren't acting like a 13 year old.
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#107264
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The Liam Neeson Mystery (spoilers within but questions answered)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107264/action/topic#107264
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
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Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel
No, that line is in the film version, TheCassidy.

Also, Whils is a refrence to one of the early drafts of ANH, Shimraa. "The journal of the Whils." At least, I'm pretty sure that's what it is.


so why is it significant?


It's not, really... It's just a reference...
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#107261
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107261/action/topic#107261
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Originally posted by: Itchy
HERE'S THE PART WHERE I REALLY LOST IT AND LET OUT A SIGH OF DISGUST:

Where Anakin and Obi-Wan are fighting (and surfing atop the lava) towards the end. Anakin says something about the Jedi being evil. Obi-Wan counters with some blah blah blah. And then Anakin goes: "Not from my point of view." That had to be one of the worst placed lines ever. Even fighting, their dialogue sounded like a high school debate club.


The exact lines are:

Obi-wan: "I have failed you Anakin... I have failed you."
Anakin: "I should of known the Jedi were plotting to take over!"
Obi-wan: "Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!"
Anakin: "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!"
Obi-wan: "Well then you are lost!"

Then Anaking goes on about how he's going to kill Obi-wan and they get right back into fighting.

I don't think it's the lines that were messed up... One of the ways Palpatine manipulated Anakin was by telling him how the Sith and Jedi just have "different points of view." It's the way that Christensen said the line that makes it sound out of place.
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#107170
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107170/action/topic#107170
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
it is IMPOSSIBLE to make a MagnoliaFan edit over this, and GL did it on porpouse.


Yeah, George made ROTS as a giant middle finger to MagnoliaFan I'm sure as he and Barton put the finishing touches on the last reel, he nudged him and said "Let's see MagFan try to mutilate THIS one, huh?" and then they hit the commisary for some Mallomars.


Actually, it really wouldn't surprise me if deep down, GL actually did put some small details in there to make it harder for MagnoliaFan to make an edit. I also wouldn't be surprised if GL read these boards regularly, or at least had someone who printed different topics off of this site for him to read...
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#107165
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107165/action/topic#107165
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I loved the MagnoliaFan edits of Episode 1 and 2, but this film really doesn't need to be edited. The most I would suggest is putting in some deleted scenes, so I can see them in the actual movie instead of watching the movie and then going into special features. But really, there was nothing super annoying like in the previous two, even if there were some problems with it. If there is an edit made of this film, I doubt I'll get it...
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#107169
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107169/action/topic#107169
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Originally posted by: greencapt
What I find funny is the people who "loved" the film and have the same gripes as the people who "hated" the film. There's nothing at all wrong with just liking or not liking it, folks!

Famous over-justifications:

"That Titanic was a great ship.. you know, except for the whole sinking thing"

"Man, I loved that dinner... well except for the roach I found on my plate"

"How could you *not* have loved the early 1940s? That 'World War' didn't bother me at all"


The movie really was great. I had far more things on my "that was cool" list than my "gripes" list. But I took the meaning of this topic to be discussing the errors in the film.

If people were talking about how cool the movie was, I'd be right there with 'em. But aslong as other people are debating the mistakes and plotholes, I might aswell join them aswell.

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right... and coming up with explanations that will never be proven right or wrong is??
might as well just try and find then last digit in Pi...


i think its safe to call this thread... "Back up Lucas' mistakes with excuses"
i think it makes just as much sense as people giving their views on the movie even if they are negative...
OH WAIT they're not the same at all...
lol


Nobody is "backing up Lucas' mistakes with excuses." We're merely debating other ways he could have done it, or why he did it the way he did. Also, we're tyring to figure out various things that could have caused other various things.

It's not excuses, because everyone knows what their saying will never be proven right or wrong. It's just a debate about what was going on. If we were talking this way about any movies besides the PT or SE versions, you wouldn't feel the same way. Think about how many times you've come out of a movie and talked with your friends/family about why a character did something he did, or why a director decided to do something the way he did... Well, that's all we're doing here.
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#107116
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107116/action/topic#107116
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I dissagree with you about the high ground thing. I still think that's fine...

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My biggest issue is the fact that Ben left Anakin to suffer horribly and die. That sucks. It would have been cooler had Ben offered a hand to Anakin ... "come with me back to the light side," and Anakin refused, screaming, "No. I hate you!" Like Luke chose to fall in Bespin, Anakin actively would have chosen the painful path of the dark side by refusing Ben's hand. And that's why Ben would have been convinced that there was no good left in Vader. "Obi-wan once thought as you do."


But that actually would have been a really cool thing to see. I agree with you, the scene would of been much better if they had something along those lines at the end.
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#107111
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How do you rate EpIII?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107111/action/topic#107111
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It took me three tries to get through the Holiday Special aswell. The first time I watched it, I got so broed I just fast forwarded to the Boba Fett cartoon, then stopped watching. The second time, I got to where the grandpa puts on the weird thing and has that strange ass vision of some lady singing... then I stopped it because I felt like I was going to fall asleep.

The third time I watched it, I was able to make it all the way through. But only because I watched it with my friends so we just made jokes about everything and laughed the whole way through, so it wasn't as boring.
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#107095
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107095/action/topic#107095
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Originally posted by: Anakin's Mannequin
Isn't it kind of strange that in The Clone Wars, there's this cave where these Jedi build lightsabers from crystals? I thought as part of your Jedi training, you were required to build one yourself?


No. That's just the cave where the crystals that give the lightsabers their energy are located... That's what was happening, the Padawan created a Lightsaber from those crystals and then her training was complete.

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I have to agree. Considering how long the 2nd Death Star took, the 1st couldn't have taken 20 years (how old is Luke supposed to be in ANH???) Anyhow, I think just like C3PO and R2 and Chewbacca and even Bobba Fett, stuff like that was thrown in as kinda a jack-off nod to the OT.

I didn't like C-3PO or R2-D2 in the PT. But at least C-3PO had a smaller roll in Episode III. Chewbaca, I honestly didn't mind because that one made sense... It just didn't fit into the story to have R2 and C-3PO.

And, having Boba Fett in episode 2 was, in my opinion, the WORST idea GL has EVER had. In my head, Boba Fett will ALWAYS be Jaster Mereel, and not some moronic clone kid.
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#107088
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107088/action/topic#107088
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Oh yes, another thing I noticed the second time around.

People kept complaining about Anakin turning to the dark side way to quickly, which I admit, the first time it did seem awkward.

But now I realise that, after all the building up, and the way Anakin's head works, it's really no surprise that he went so quickly.

Allow me to explain: In Episode 2, which takes place 3 years before Episode 3, we can already clearly see that Anakin is becoming evil. He basically has all the personallity traits that will lead to the dark side. He's cocky, sarcastic, rude, angry, afraid and he has one creepy temper.

In the Clone Wars cartoon, we can see even more that he's going to the dark side. Again, he has all the personallity traits, and you can actually tell they're getting worse. Then, he goes into a furious rage on Yavin 4 where he kills what's her name (the Sith assassin). And then in the second season of Clone Wars, you see how the lie of him and Padme is tearing him apart inside. He wants to shout their love from the roof tops, but knows if he does that, he'll not only ruin his life, but her's aswell.

Now, his mother has died, he's living a lie, he already has a pretty screwed up personallity, he's very angry and frustrated and he's already very close to turning to the dark side on his own, without Palpatine's help.

It's obvious how Anakin thinks. Padme is the number one thing on his mind at all times. Remember one of the first things he says in Episode 2? He thought about her every day the entire time they were apart. He's always thinking of her. Another thing he's always thinking about and wanting is power. He's always talking about how he should be better, and how he should be stronger. He wants to be better than all the other Jedi.

So, if we take all this into consideration, when the fear of losing the main thing he cares about comes into the picture, and he's being lied to and manipulated by Palpatine and the very strong powers of the dark side (I remind you that Luke almost fell to the dark side aswell, when he cut off Vader's arm in his fit of rage), it's really no surprise at all that he'd do anything to get the power he wants and feels he needs. Then once he's submitted to the dark side, it just eats him up right away and makes him do things he never would of wanted to do. Once Anakin puts on the leash, Palpatine takes him for a long, long walk.
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#107078
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107078/action/topic#107078
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In regards to the "High ground/Anakin jumping" debate:

After my second viewing, I realised that Obi-wan isn't useing the high ground thing as a "strategy." He doesn't want to hurt, or kill Anakin and he knows what he'll be forced to do if Anakin tries to kill him... You can tell the way it's filmed and the way the lines are said, that the high ground thing is merely a way for Obi-wan to say "Please, Anakin. Don't do it." He just doesn't say it in those words, because he's probably trying to hide the fact that he doesn't want to hurt Anakin (at least untill after the battle).

Then Anakin, being the arogant, confused and angry person he's become, says "You don't know the extent of my power!" Or something along those lines, basically saying don't tell me what I can and can't do, because I'm way better than you.

So complaining about the high ground thing is pretty dumb, because it's obvious the way it was meant to be taken...


Also during my second viewing, I noticed that the Death Star actually looked a lot more complete than I had originally thought. So I now am leaning more towards the side saying it shouldn't of been shown. Though, the point by Ric does make sense.