Jar Jar Bricks

Burbin said:

I mean, it kinda makes sense there would be rumors that the old decrepit guy that has the rule over the whole galaxy with an iron grip might be seeking to prolong his dictatorship indefinitely.

Ah, yes, just like every other real world dictator, everybody feared that the individual would soon discover the secret to immortality.

I joke, of course.

And yes, the cut is too quick. I see two options right now: figure out a way to completely remove Rey grabbing the book, or remove Merry’s line that is off in the background. Because the way it is worded implies to me at least that he is taking about the galaxy at large, not just the Resistance.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’m going to take a look at the audio in that scene to see if Merry’s background speech could be removed without deleting the actual visuals.

oooh, that would be nice.

Or you can include a line that he likes DeadPool who breaks the 4th wall.

Am I right?

…

I’ll see myself out.

“There were always whispers that we are actually in a world that revolves entirely around Skywalkers and Palpatines.”

https://youtu.be/gKppwACQ-qk

Anyways, I took a peak at the 5.1 audio and it looks like Merry’s dialogue appears in 2 of them. 1 of them can easily be removed to make it quieter, but the other has Rey’s movements attached. So more work would need to be done to make it perfect.

And Burbin, it’s problematic because it suggests that Palpatine has otherworldly powers. In actuality, most people would assume he was a normal dude from Naboo (at least until after ROTJ). Thus why the Final Order would put a Sith Empire in place, not a normal Empire.

In ROTS he was still hiding his abilities. Nobody saw the battle between him and Yoda except us.

Yeah, but I’m not the one who brought that word into the conversation to begin with.

The most important factors should be that it is the canon answer and also makes the most sense (imo) given the content in the previous films of the saga.

I’m going to take a look at the audio in that scene to see if Merry’s background speech could be removed without deleting the actual visuals.

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

It is actually explicit in the OT:

“You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion.” Sure, he’s talking about the Jedi there, but Vader is a Sith and he still talks about him in that way. He’s basically saying he’s the last force user. And Tarkin is a high-ranking individual in the Empire!

Nope. I think you explained yourself why it’s not explicit.

Nope. I think I explained myself why it is in fact explicit. I clarified that “religion” is in reference to the ability of using the Force, not the misconception that he meant the Jedi.

There are other canon sources which prove my point. In the novel Tarkin, he has a suspicion that Palpy and Vader are Sith Lords, but he doesn’t know for certain nor does he want to ask any questions regarding it. In the novel Lords of the Sith, Palpatine tells Vader that he “can’t be seen using the Force” to get them out of a sticky situation.

Of course, you probably don’t care about what canon says. I’m just trying to point out to you that Tarkin’s line can easily be interpreted that way, and is in fact interpreted that way by canon.

In conclusion, I would highly advise removing Merry’s line which suggests that everyone knew about Palpatine’s Sithiness in the OT, but it’s ultimately Hal’s decision.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

DZ-330 said:

Not sure if this is something to be discussed in this thread, but has anyone found a good way to remove Rey healing the worm? I think it works better for the story if the only “force healing” is a result of the Dyad between Rey and Ben.

For the sake of the whole saga, it just opens up WAY too many questions. Maybe it can be adjusted for for the worm creature to be scared of her darkness or something along those lines.

Not sure if that is worth pursuing due to the scene of The Child in The Mandalorian.

EDIT: Rather than make a new comment, I’ll address one of the best head canon answers as to why force healing isn’t an issue. The Jedi at the time of the prequels clearly believe that if someone is about to die, then that is the will of the Force. Therefore, they would view the ability of Force Healing as an abomination (even though it is light side in nature). My personal belief is that they withheld knowledge of that ability from everyone except Jedi masters who had access to restricted knowledge if they wanted to. Thus another reason why Anakin was pissed about not becoming a master. Sorry about the rant.

THat, or they had to do it in Mandolorian to help “justify it” in this movie since it pretty much … invalidates the plot in ROTS. Lol.

Anyway … I think the conversation about the lightsaber disappearing and reappearing error and Merry’s quote would be neat to fix if it doesn’t cause any visual or timing issues.

I mean, for me it actually kinda enhances the plot of ROTS under the thinking I shared. If Anakin knew that Yoda had knowledge about an ability which could save his wife but instead he told him to rejoice the death of those around him, I would be super angry. Maybe not go on a murder spree, but definitely extremely angry at the Jedi.

And Anakin certainly had his suspicions (“I know there are things about the Force that they are not telling me”). Even the film suggests that by becoming a master he would have access to those things. It’s actually in the novel as well.

Shoot, I’m dragging us further away from the topic again. Sorry.

DZ-330 said:

Not sure if this is something to be discussed in this thread, but has anyone found a good way to remove Rey healing the worm? I think it works better for the story if the only “force healing” is a result of the Dyad between Rey and Ben.

For the sake of the whole saga, it just opens up WAY too many questions. Maybe it can be adjusted for for the worm creature to be scared of her darkness or something along those lines.

Not sure if that is worth pursuing due to the scene of The Child in The Mandalorian.

EDIT: Rather than make a new comment, I’ll address one of the best head canon answers as to why force healing isn’t an issue. The Jedi at the time of the prequels clearly believe that if someone is about to die, then that is the will of the Force. Therefore, they would view the ability of Force Healing as an abomination (even though it is light side in nature). My personal belief is that they withheld knowledge of that ability from everyone except Jedi masters who had access to restricted knowledge if they wanted to. Thus another reason why Anakin was pissed about not becoming a master. Sorry about the rant.

It is actually explicit in the OT:

“You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion.” Sure, he’s talking about the Jedi there, but Vader is a Sith and he still talks about him in that way. He’s basically saying he’s the last force user. And Tarkin is a high-ranking individual in the Empire!

I’ve fixed the audio up a bit: https://youtu.be/vDvO06C6gxk

It’s funny that you call this change abrupt because you could say that about just about everything in this movie. You’re right to a certain extent though, I would prefer to remove her grabbing the book entirely. I’m just not skilled enough to do that unless somebody has some basic footage of the crowd I could slot in there for the beginning of Poe’s line to play first.

Let me put it this way: when he says that there “were always whispers” that he was searching for ways to live forever, that retcons the original trilogy. In the OT, nearly all of the galaxy thought Palpatine was a normal dude that got disfigured by the Jedi. And Palpatine would have only ever shared his cloning plans with his Sith loyalists on Exegol. So there is no reason why there would be rumors around the known galaxy of that type.

That said, I think the most important thing here is removing the lightsaber appearing in that shot. Do you believe that is possible?

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Hal 9000 said:

It’s just one shot that can be cropped? Yeah, that might be fine, then.

Correct, the lightsaber does not appear in her conversation with Leia right after.

I find it funny how Merry of the Resistance was delegated as the “try to explain Palpatine’s return in as many different ways as possible” character. It’s hilarious.

He’s basically the audience trying to “rationalize” how Palpatine came back via a verbal bullet point of possibilities.

So in some ways, he breaks the forth wall maybe? Lol.

That’s precisely why this particular line should be removed. We have honed in on the whole cloning thing so we needn’t muddy things up any further.

Hal 9000 said:

It’s just one shot that can be cropped? Yeah, that might be fine, then.

Correct, the lightsaber does not appear in her conversation with Leia right after.

I find it funny how Merry of the Resistance was delegated as the “try to explain Palpatine’s return in as many different ways as possible” character. It’s hilarious.

ThisIsCreation said:

Totally I understand. His cut of not worked really well to fix it but I understand wanting the structure to remain the same.

Thought I’d bring it up here incase anyone wants to give it a shot and fix it with vfx

Who ever said it would have to involve VFX? I just removed the portion of the shot where the lightsaber is visible.

https://youtu.be/FSPREteSKcU

Honestly, I would prefer to remove the shot completely. So Rey slips away from the crowd and we don’t see her until she comes back with the book. Unfortunately I was having trouble with the audio because Poe’s line plays mostly off screen.

Also it’s strange how we hear Merry quietly say in the background of that shot, “There were always whispers of his hunger to cheat death.” Like, what? Why would the galaxy at large ever have reason to believe that? Most of them didn’t even know he was a Sith in the OT.

sherlockpotter said:

Thinking out loud here about other potential “minor” tweaks. What if we remove the scene where Random First Order Officer says “We’ve analyzed the necklace! It’s made by the Pig People of Pasaana!”

Pretty sure we already tweaked this scene a ton of pages back. I believe we pushed it forward to later. Not sure exactly where but I believe it is somewhere by Lando’s scene.

Anakin Starkiller said:

This should go in the writing and re-writing section, not the fanedit section.

On whose authority? Yours?

For the record, I believe that section is specifically for script rewrites. This is a fan edit of a novel.

oviniboy said:

Movies Remastered said:

I may have been looking at this for far too many hours but I’m not happy with the timing change on Rey’s close-up. I’ve had to slow parts down to almost 50% just to get the sequence timing right.

I’m open to scrutiny on this one…?

https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1417302/action/topic#1417302

great stuff here folks, so happy everyone agreed with the removal “take sabers to Exegol” line

There really isn’t anything to disagree with lol.

It literally just gives more agency to Rey’s character at the cost of nothing special.

Looks pretty good on my phone!

I don’t know if it’s just YouTube, but there is a certain part of the video which seems to get kinda pixelated. Maybe it’s the part that transitions from slow-mo to regular motion?

EDIT: Scrap that. Don’t see it on my computer. I think the slow-mo effect is subtle enough to be unnoticeable, but we’ll have to see what others say.

Insert the following into ESB:

https://youtu.be/UwezY05soDY

Now the twist when you watch the movies in chronological order is that Anakin was right; Padme was turned against him because she cheated on him with Obi-Wan.

CaptainFaraday said:

I’m considering having her conversation with Luke include something along the lines of the Dark Side not being some evil external entity out there which pulls you towards it, but rather it’s created internally by our choices. Resisting the Dark Side isn’t about struggling against some bad monster, it’s about making the choice between what is right and what is easy. Luke would intend this to be reassuring - she’s the one who consciously decides whether she falls to the Dark Side or not, she doesn’t need to fret about accidentally tripping and falling into it. But it’s a double-edged sword, because that also means it is entirely on her shoulders to make those choices.

So when she goes into the confrontation with Palpatine, she doesn’t want to be a cold-blooded murderer, killing an unarmed old man on a life support thing. She could justify it to herself, but that’s even worse - then she’d be a murderer who can justify when it’s okay for her personally to murder. It’s why Palpatine was so delighted when Anakin killed Dooku, and why he goaded Luke into attacking him - it’s a slippery slope to the Dark Side.

Thank you, this is what I was trying to tell the people who thought Rey killing Palpatine was too forced and that it doesn’t make sense because it was the right thing to do. Just didn’t know how to word it. Yes, she doesn’t look like she wants to do it, but if she had, she would be killing an unarmed old man. There’s really no way you can spin that lol. The Final Order doing the killing of the fleet may be under the command of him, but killing him wouldn’t stop them from attacking.

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

Aw, hell, here’s a poll. I’ll check it at the end of the day, about 12 hours from now, and we’ll see. I really don’t much care one way or the other.

https://linkto.run/p/0BLHJV5H

And for reference, here’s the clip again: https://vimeo.com/523070856

Hal, I love you bud but really? I can’t think of one good reason to include this line, and you already said you don’t want to!

Haha you’re just scared because “yes” is currently winning.

…what? I don’t have a dog in this fight, I have my own edit.

Oh I didn’t realize, sorry. Thought that was just a hypothetical WIP edit.

I guess you could say, “this is your fight”, am I right?

I love it!

EDIT: You mentioned wanting it to be a mono track so I exported it from the source as such:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ULLVHTRHp8k6STeZfmy6MjKsJWZBUCPW/view?usp=sharing

Perfect. That gives us some time to see if a wizard like MR can pull this off when he gets his stuff back.

jarbear said:

I like the idea of adding the line, maybe based on what MR is suggesting. Just at the current state, doesn’t quite work. So I am voting yes, in principal, if it can be used … but not by this “test” clip.

Exactly. I knew people were voting on this incorrectly because the description of the poll wasn’t good enough.

I dislike how obvious it is that the camera zooms in on Rey’s face and then when it reverses it visibly zooms out.

I guess we can’t have this conversation on this thread anymore, but I’m going to see what I can do about this whole ordeal on the other thread.

EDIT: Just noticed that this poll doesn’t seem to prevent people from voting twice either. Might want to consider that as well Hal.

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

Aw, hell, here’s a poll. I’ll check it at the end of the day, about 12 hours from now, and we’ll see. I really don’t much care one way or the other.

https://linkto.run/p/0BLHJV5H

And for reference, here’s the clip again: https://vimeo.com/523070856

Hal, I love you bud but really? I can’t think of one good reason to include this line, and you already said you don’t want to!

Haha you’re just scared because “yes” is currently winning.

Hal, I think you should have been more clear with the poll. It should have said, “Use the line in the way I have it posted on vimeo?”. I think too many people are voting yes because they want the line implemented, but I have a hard time believing the way you have it right now is the way we would want it.

But maybe I’m wrong. I just think there are better ways to implement it (like MR suggested).

EDIT: Thank you brother, stole the words out of my mouth.
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Movies Remastered said:

Awwwww! I wish I had my computers. Basically, I think it would work by taking out the “you’ll take both Saber to Exagol” and replace it with “We’ll always be with you”. Then move the “but this is your fight” after that line. It’ll take some work shifting the clip arrangement but that’ll work in many ways.

I agree with this. Just dislike how it is currently implemented on Hal’s vote so I said “no”.

I agree it works better than a thousand generations. But I’ve already argued my point for keeping “but this is your fight” so I’ll shut up now.

But your point is proven wrong if you look at the whole sentence: “We’ll always be with you, but this is your fight.” As in, she has to initiate the fight but they will help her when she does.