Thanks for the motivation/idea MR.
Have you ever wondered why Rey acts all confused in the ending scene when the ghosts start to appear? Well wonder no longer! She was hearing voices in her head.
After all, family is the thing that is always there for you (or at least it’s supposed to be).
EDIT: How about using it as we see Luke & Leia’s force ghosts just before Rey smiles?
I had considered this but the ghosts at the end of ROTJ never spoke. I’ll give it a shot and apply some reverb to see if I like it.
I’ll mock it up but I expect not to use it. Worth seeing about.
I extended the Rey shot, faded the music together to make it longer, tested the 'Always be with you" no idea if this works,
I just managed to do this exact same thing except without extending anything. Probably way too squished in my version, though. I do like this order of dialogue: “She surrendered her saber to me and said that one day it would be picked up again by someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you. A thousand generations live in you now. But this is your fight.”
Here is your exact same thing but without any extensions:
For some reason it says the “With You” file is corrupted when I try to import it. Is that something wrong on my end?
I could send you a .wav version. I thought some people might have an issue with mp3.
I prefer “a thousand generations” as well. I just thought this was a really creative way of implementing Luke’s unused line is all.
It is much more personal, and yet it doesn’t completely discount the idea that “we” could refer to the rest of the Jedi as well.
Seems just a little wrong to have the camera move a tiny bit before settling on Luke. It’d probably be better to keep more or the shot or lose more of it.
I’d feel bad to fully remove that shot of Luke because of how hard Nev worked on the outside of the hut lol. That’s why I tried to leave a small portion of the shot in for the concept. But if we feel this line replacement is worth it then by all means chop it out.
I’ll put the file here for everyone again. If you don’t want the current format I can change it:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnn_0HLptRTtcs7BClLg6-AcVYKjbWfI/view?usp=sharing
Here we go:
So the key is matching Luke’s mouth movement with “you”. Really sells the transition of shots. Unfortunately, you have to remove a portion of the overall shot in order to include the line.
NOTE: There is an audio pop and sudden music transition. Ignore that, this is just a proof of concept.
EDIT: Don’t think there is enough footage for this unfortunately. Wish it could work though.
Scrap this I actually have a proof of concept for this idea I can share here. Works pretty well; Luke’s mouth movements match the end of the line.
Are we able to cut the wide shot with Luke and adjust his dialogue to be:
“…someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you, but this is your fight. You’ll take both sabers to Exegol.”
Hot damn this is actually an insanely good idea. I have the audio line if anybody is up for it? I’m willing to lose the whole 1000 generations for this.
EDIT: Don’t think there is enough footage for this unfortunately. Wish it could work though.
As for line removal topic, I kind of have a hard time with Luke: “1000 generations are in you” line. We do know … that’s not how that works with Jedi. Granted, he may be saying that in a symbolic sense, but we literally see later that Palps says the lines “I am all the sith” and have that whole transfer silly thing.
So to me … it’s like … another retcon of the movies before it that is factually incorrect.
Again, he may be not saying it as literally having jedi in her or whatnot, but with the whole silly Sith thing later … it makes it sound more literally.
Anyway … that’s just me.
I think the key difference there is solved because of this fan edit. Rey has 1000 generations in her, but the way that manifests is with Force ghosts surrounding wherever she goes. In this case, they appeared behind her and helped her defeat Palpatine. In Palpatine’s case of being all the Sith, I believe he is saying that all of the Sith spirits reside in his physical body, and cannot manifest outside of it.
I dunno why we get so much over explaining of things.
That is one, of many nags, in TLJ during Rey’s Force Cave Scene has her voice over. That whole scene, while visually interesting, doesn’t really keep my interest or engagement since we have a literal voice over describing everything.
Sometimes, silence speaks volumes.
Can you imagine if Luke was describing to Yoda what he saw in the cave in ESB and that dialogue was placed over that sequence?
Sounds like a Special Edition change lmao.
Anyway, it might just work pretty okay to straight up remove the line.
https://vimeo.com/522640034
I really enjoy having some silence after the flashback to let it sink in with the audience. We don’t need Kylo to explain what we just saw.
Makes me wish we could make Kylo say something like, “There was a sale that day, but your assured protection was the purchase.”
Another idea for Faraday’s novelization thread I suppose.
Seems to work fine. Although I’m kinda confused right now. Are we trying to make it so that Rey’s parents never sold her? Because I feel like that is a larger retcon than selling her to protect her.
I get the sense we’re just trying to work around the specific line “they sold you to protect you” because it is quite possibly one of the worst lines of dialogue in the film lol.
It is a bit of an oxymoronic statement, isn’t it?
I don’t really care one or or another if we go through with this. It’s just not what I expected out of you all because I see it as a larger retcon lol. I’ll just head canon it that Rey and Kylo misinterpreted the events in TLJ and that her parents actually paid Unkar Plutt to take care of her for a while.
Seems to work fine. Although I’m kinda confused right now. Are we trying to make it so that Rey’s parents never sold her? Because I feel like that is a larger retcon than selling her to protect her.
This movie is enough for anyone to go nuts.
Remove Finn’s line “He wanted her alive.”
So… you’re removing how Palpatine wanted Rey alive before her parents abandoned her and he had to switch to Ben Solo? ,':I
Not entirely. Finn still says that the Emperor wanted Rey brought to him on Exegol if Ochi caught her. We simply made it up to interpretation whether he would do the ritual or kill her at that point. Imo that ambiguity works much better because it makes Palpatine’s plan easier to follow along for the average person.
Not just average person … like … anyone/everyone. So bad. Lol.
Yeah haha I worded it that way because I was pointing out that we aren’t contradicting canon by removing that line. So the lore nuts get their way, and so does everyone else.
EDIT: Should clarify that I consider myself a lore nut and yet was the primary person advocating for this change. I am able to realize that it makes the film’s plot smoother.
Remove Finn’s line “He wanted her alive.”
So… you’re removing how Palpatine wanted Rey alive before her parents abandoned her and he had to switch to Ben Solo? ,':I
Not entirely. Finn still says that the Emperor wanted Rey brought to him on Exegol if Ochi caught her. We simply made it up to interpretation whether he would do the ritual or kill her at that point. Imo that ambiguity works much better because it makes Palpatine’s plan easier to follow along for the average person.
Yeah I’m definitely interested in that one sound you provided.
It’s going to help immensely to see a visual representation of what it looks like. I doubt if I tried to come up with something right now that it would work with whatever MR produces.
I honestly can’t tell, does that ending scene use a wig as well?
From my experience, the only scenes of him using a wig are when he starts talking to Rey.
To me it’s the only thing in the film that steers me away from “lol wtf smoothie Lando is hitting on this 19 year old.”
LMAO. I read the leaks before the movie so I knew they were related before seeing it. As a result, I never got that vibe from that scene. But you’re right, the music is the only hint that the movie itself gives.
However, the only “argument” is use about not using the blue color at the end is we saw the saber die off and know the crystal is too damaged … so why have it as the blue/purple combo and not green/purple since the blue crystal is kinda dead?
Just so we’re all on the same page, MR’s clip also has Leia’s lightsaber explode.
Regardless, I do like the idea that Rey went back yet again to Ahch-To to retrieve Luke’s green lightsaber. Hmmm that’s giving me some ideas for a certain novelization.
I think the scene would have a lot more power and carry a lot more weight if we allow it to stand on its own, rather than distracting the audience with, “Hey! Yoda’s Theme!”
I get where you’re coming from to a certain extent, but 2 changes in this project include music from the prequels (3PO and R2 theme, ROTS Palpatine as he drains dyad). It would be a shame IMO to not include such an iconic piece from the originals. Even if you remove the music, the scene is still an overt reference to Yoda. You can’t undo that. For me, I really enjoy the music there. It shows how far Luke Skywalker has come; he has taken the place of Yoda.
Isn’t the canon answer that Luke’s green lightsaber ended up with the caretakers? Funny to think about.