Jar Jar Bricks

Burbin said:

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s what I intend as the final look and ordering of the Ach-To sequence. I tried to add a very subtle purple to the sunrise. (Any footage before or after the sequence is not color corrected in this clip, nor is the saber flashback.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16kfx-ovM2HjYCqiexhK76qnAAIuq-guZ/view?usp=drivesdk

Personally I prefer Neverar’s original regrade for the sunrise, feels more natural.

Same here. I understand wanting Leia represented, but I fail to understand how the color of the sky could possibly convey such a thing for the average person. Unless you’re one of those literature teachers who try to find meaning in every single possible detail in the story. Haha.

Otherwise, great work here everyone.

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Looks like it was in fact removed. Here it is put back into the Mustafar sequence:

https://youtu.be/GeuAnhU5NLk

Definitely needs some color correction. There’s a green hue over it. Not to mention the fact that it is slightly abrupt (and I know how much some people here dislike abrupt shots). That said, there is plenty of camera flipping leading up to it so it feels natural to me at least.

Have we already discussed this reintegration? I don’t remember. If we have I’m sorry for bringing it back up again. I just feel like adding anything to the Mustafar sequence, even if it is only a second long, is worth it.

Sometimes less is more. We all agree Mustafar feels too fast. But adding a blink and you miss it shot to pad the runtime isn’t going to make it feel less rushed, in fact it would do the exact opposite.

I agree that it might not make it feel less rushed, but I completely disagree that it would do the exact opposite. It’s just kinda there.

Honestly I just like the shot because it’s referenced in the novelization. Basically it’s described that he was in such a fit of rage in the fight that he had to shake himself out of it.

Looks like it was in fact removed. Here it is put back into the Mustafar sequence:

https://youtu.be/GeuAnhU5NLk

Definitely needs some color correction. There’s a green hue over it. Not to mention the fact that it is slightly abrupt (and I know how much some people here dislike abrupt shots). That said, there is plenty of camera flipping leading up to it so it feels natural to me at least.

Have we already discussed this reintegration? I don’t remember. If we have I’m sorry for bringing it back up again. I just feel like adding anything to the Mustafar sequence, even if it is only a second long, is worth it.

ThisIsCreation said:

When Kylo was on Mustafar and he has killed everyone, he turns around sharply as if he has heard something call to him. I know you’ve added sounds to when he picks up the wayfinder but would it possible for the sounds be extended and for them to start just before he quickly turns.

That reminds me - since we have different visions for Rey and Kylo, did we end up removing that one shot of Kylo twitching on Mustafar? I feel like that might be able to be repurposed for this idea here.

The 3PO stuff is hilarious. Nicely done.

You’re definitely taking it very seriously to leave the original structure in place! I think that’s great. I know if I was rewriting some of these scenes I would just slap what I liked better in without considering the structure.

I think we’re pretty much set at this point with possible changes. I’d like to be proven wrong, but that’s just how I feel.

Looking forward to seeing puppet show samples in the near future.

Hal 9000 said:

It’s the kind of thing that happens all the time when editing a movie. I dunno what more to say about it.

Tell that to Adywan 😉

Maybe I’ve just been too spoiled by those projects. Definitely a possibility.

Hal 9000 said:

And now that I’ve been able to actually take a look at the scene where Rey goes to get the, ahem, SACRED JEDI TEXTS during the Palpatine speech sequence, you’d really have to zoom way into it to be able to remove the saber. It’s just a little continuity error. There are hundreds in SW, so I’m not going to fret about it.

It’s hard for me to understand how some people are able to overlook small errors like that without going crazy, but I guess I’m in the minority because of that lmao. Maybe I’m the crazy one.

You have a similar thing happen in your The Approaching Storm edit if you didn’t know. It has to do with Anakin’s lightsaber appearing and disappearing because you removed him losing it to begin with in the chase scene.

Not a whole lot you can do about it without removing even more stuff (or doing some insane VFX).

Hal 9000 said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Is anybody familiar with moving audio lines to the side while still keeping the music intact? I’m trying to remove Rey grabbing the books in the middle of the Resistance meeting discussing Palpatine’s message for the following reasons:

1. Rey’s lightsaber is seen prominently on her even though she just gave it to Leia.
2. The Jedi texts were left by Rey on a crate, but when she returns to them they are suddenly in the box.
3. A line plays in the background that is contradictory to the original trilogy. It suggests that the galaxy always knew about Palpatine’s Force abilities.

Any help would be appreciated in this endeavor. If we can get this working right I think Hal would be more interested in it.

I don’t doubt it’d be doable, that’s not the issue. The first thing to try would be to edit out the portions of relevant audio from the channels in which it appears, then cover that with stuff from other channels. Sometimes you can get more mileage out of adding audio from multiple other channels to avoid a direct repeat of just one channel.

My editing software doesn’t have access to specific audio channels (as far as I’m aware) but I might be able to stitch this together using Audacity exports. 3PO’s lines are luckily isolated enough to make this possible I believe.

EDIT: So apparently something got even more messed up with my editing software. Now whenever I try to remove a separated audio track it removes the video above it along with it (even though I’ve separated them). Well, I guess I can’t do fan edits anymore unless I either fix this or find new software.

TestingOutTheTest said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

A line plays in the background that is contradictory to the original trilogy. It suggests that the galaxy always knew about Palpatine’s Force abilities.

Remember when Rey reminded Luke of his redemption of Vader and his immediate response after that “he became a legend” (the inference being that the galaxy learned of it post-OT)? Think of it in that way.

This thinking would work, but the problem is that the line specifically says the word always. If that word weren’t included in the line, there would be no issue. But with it there, the idea is that people have, well, always considered the idea that Palpatine is trying to cheat death. Since he was considered a normal dude until post-ROTJ, this line is blatantly false unless you wish to contradict established canon.

Is anybody familiar with moving audio lines to the side while still keeping the music intact? I’m trying to remove Rey grabbing the books in the middle of the Resistance meeting discussing Palpatine’s message for the following reasons:

1. Rey’s lightsaber is seen prominently on her even though she just gave it to Leia.
2. The Jedi texts were left by Rey on a crate, but when she returns to them they are suddenly in the box.
3. A line plays in the background that is contradictory to the original trilogy. It suggests that the galaxy always knew about Palpatine’s Force abilities.

Any help would be appreciated in this endeavor. If we can get this working right I think Hal would be more interested in it.

Hal 9000 said:

Burbin said:

Hal’s already said he doesn’t mind the line or the continuity error so I don’t see a reason to continue this topic here.

JEDIT: To be clear, I will see if a simple crop can remove the saber from the shot. If not, oh well.

Cool. Could you send whatever you come up with my way even if you decide not to use it? The crop feature on my editing software is terrible. Doesn’t let you select precise number amounts.

Burbin said:

Hal’s already said he doesn’t mind the line or the continuity error so I don’t see a reason to continue this topic here.

He hasn’t commented on the second continuity error yet.

Might have missed it, but where did he say the line was ok?

Sorry for the double comment. Here is the visuals without the audio. Can you tell where the cut is?

https://youtu.be/O02jz6fZs4E

If anybody is really good at working with audio this might be possible. I believe 3PO’s line would need to be pushed over a bit (since his lips don’t move).

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I can absolutely create that visually, but it isn’t going to have sound. The problem is that there isn’t enough space for the first half of Poe’s line to play because most of it happens off screen when Rey is grabbing the book.

I think this would be the best possible route to take if we’re really considering cutting out The Hobbit’s line (which I don’t think is necessary but I understand why people would take umbrage with it)

That is actually a completely different issue that I didn’t even notice until messing with this scene. The primary purpose of this would be to fix the lightsaber continuity issue.

Here’s another continuity issue: Rey leaves the books lying on some crates when the Falcon arrives. When she returns to get them, they are suddenly in the box? What is wrong with this tiny scene LMAO.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

And yes, the cut is too quick. I see two options right now: figure out a way to completely remove Rey grabbing the book, or remove Merry’s line that is off in the background. Because the way it is worded implies to me at least that he is taking about the galaxy at large, not just the Resistance.

Honestly, if you just cut the whole “Rey retrieving the book” part and just cut from her leaving to Poe and Leia talking, then have her show back up with the book, it could possibly be seamless.

However, I can’t really say for sure without having the footage in front of me. Maybe someone can have a go at it?

I can absolutely create that visually, but it isn’t going to have sound. The problem is that there isn’t enough space for the first half of Poe’s line to play because most of it happens off screen when Rey is grabbing the book.

Burbin said:

I mean, it kinda makes sense there would be rumors that the old decrepit guy that has the rule over the whole galaxy with an iron grip might be seeking to prolong his dictatorship indefinitely.

Ah, yes, just like every other real world dictator, everybody feared that the individual would soon discover the secret to immortality.

I joke, of course.

And yes, the cut is too quick. I see two options right now: figure out a way to completely remove Rey grabbing the book, or remove Merry’s line that is off in the background. Because the way it is worded implies to me at least that he is taking about the galaxy at large, not just the Resistance.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’m going to take a look at the audio in that scene to see if Merry’s background speech could be removed without deleting the actual visuals.

oooh, that would be nice.

Or you can include a line that he likes DeadPool who breaks the 4th wall.

Am I right?

…

I’ll see myself out.

“There were always whispers that we are actually in a world that revolves entirely around Skywalkers and Palpatines.”

https://youtu.be/gKppwACQ-qk

Anyways, I took a peak at the 5.1 audio and it looks like Merry’s dialogue appears in 2 of them. 1 of them can easily be removed to make it quieter, but the other has Rey’s movements attached. So more work would need to be done to make it perfect.

And Burbin, it’s problematic because it suggests that Palpatine has otherworldly powers. In actuality, most people would assume he was a normal dude from Naboo (at least until after ROTJ). Thus why the Final Order would put a Sith Empire in place, not a normal Empire.

In ROTS he was still hiding his abilities. Nobody saw the battle between him and Yoda except us.

Yeah, but I’m not the one who brought that word into the conversation to begin with.

The most important factors should be that it is the canon answer and also makes the most sense (imo) given the content in the previous films of the saga.

I’m going to take a look at the audio in that scene to see if Merry’s background speech could be removed without deleting the actual visuals.

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

It is actually explicit in the OT:

“You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion.” Sure, he’s talking about the Jedi there, but Vader is a Sith and he still talks about him in that way. He’s basically saying he’s the last force user. And Tarkin is a high-ranking individual in the Empire!

Nope. I think you explained yourself why it’s not explicit.

Nope. I think I explained myself why it is in fact explicit. I clarified that “religion” is in reference to the ability of using the Force, not the misconception that he meant the Jedi.

There are other canon sources which prove my point. In the novel Tarkin, he has a suspicion that Palpy and Vader are Sith Lords, but he doesn’t know for certain nor does he want to ask any questions regarding it. In the novel Lords of the Sith, Palpatine tells Vader that he “can’t be seen using the Force” to get them out of a sticky situation.

Of course, you probably don’t care about what canon says. I’m just trying to point out to you that Tarkin’s line can easily be interpreted that way, and is in fact interpreted that way by canon.

In conclusion, I would highly advise removing Merry’s line which suggests that everyone knew about Palpatine’s Sithiness in the OT, but it’s ultimately Hal’s decision.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

DZ-330 said:

Not sure if this is something to be discussed in this thread, but has anyone found a good way to remove Rey healing the worm? I think it works better for the story if the only “force healing” is a result of the Dyad between Rey and Ben.

For the sake of the whole saga, it just opens up WAY too many questions. Maybe it can be adjusted for for the worm creature to be scared of her darkness or something along those lines.

Not sure if that is worth pursuing due to the scene of The Child in The Mandalorian.

EDIT: Rather than make a new comment, I’ll address one of the best head canon answers as to why force healing isn’t an issue. The Jedi at the time of the prequels clearly believe that if someone is about to die, then that is the will of the Force. Therefore, they would view the ability of Force Healing as an abomination (even though it is light side in nature). My personal belief is that they withheld knowledge of that ability from everyone except Jedi masters who had access to restricted knowledge if they wanted to. Thus another reason why Anakin was pissed about not becoming a master. Sorry about the rant.

THat, or they had to do it in Mandolorian to help “justify it” in this movie since it pretty much … invalidates the plot in ROTS. Lol.

Anyway … I think the conversation about the lightsaber disappearing and reappearing error and Merry’s quote would be neat to fix if it doesn’t cause any visual or timing issues.

I mean, for me it actually kinda enhances the plot of ROTS under the thinking I shared. If Anakin knew that Yoda had knowledge about an ability which could save his wife but instead he told him to rejoice the death of those around him, I would be super angry. Maybe not go on a murder spree, but definitely extremely angry at the Jedi.

And Anakin certainly had his suspicions (“I know there are things about the Force that they are not telling me”). Even the film suggests that by becoming a master he would have access to those things. It’s actually in the novel as well.

Shoot, I’m dragging us further away from the topic again. Sorry.

DZ-330 said:

Not sure if this is something to be discussed in this thread, but has anyone found a good way to remove Rey healing the worm? I think it works better for the story if the only “force healing” is a result of the Dyad between Rey and Ben.

For the sake of the whole saga, it just opens up WAY too many questions. Maybe it can be adjusted for for the worm creature to be scared of her darkness or something along those lines.

Not sure if that is worth pursuing due to the scene of The Child in The Mandalorian.

EDIT: Rather than make a new comment, I’ll address one of the best head canon answers as to why force healing isn’t an issue. The Jedi at the time of the prequels clearly believe that if someone is about to die, then that is the will of the Force. Therefore, they would view the ability of Force Healing as an abomination (even though it is light side in nature). My personal belief is that they withheld knowledge of that ability from everyone except Jedi masters who had access to restricted knowledge if they wanted to. Thus another reason why Anakin was pissed about not becoming a master. Sorry about the rant.

It is actually explicit in the OT:

“You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion.” Sure, he’s talking about the Jedi there, but Vader is a Sith and he still talks about him in that way. He’s basically saying he’s the last force user. And Tarkin is a high-ranking individual in the Empire!

I’ve fixed the audio up a bit: https://youtu.be/vDvO06C6gxk

It’s funny that you call this change abrupt because you could say that about just about everything in this movie. You’re right to a certain extent though, I would prefer to remove her grabbing the book entirely. I’m just not skilled enough to do that unless somebody has some basic footage of the crowd I could slot in there for the beginning of Poe’s line to play first.

Let me put it this way: when he says that there “were always whispers” that he was searching for ways to live forever, that retcons the original trilogy. In the OT, nearly all of the galaxy thought Palpatine was a normal dude that got disfigured by the Jedi. And Palpatine would have only ever shared his cloning plans with his Sith loyalists on Exegol. So there is no reason why there would be rumors around the known galaxy of that type.

That said, I think the most important thing here is removing the lightsaber appearing in that shot. Do you believe that is possible?

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Hal 9000 said:

It’s just one shot that can be cropped? Yeah, that might be fine, then.

Correct, the lightsaber does not appear in her conversation with Leia right after.

I find it funny how Merry of the Resistance was delegated as the “try to explain Palpatine’s return in as many different ways as possible” character. It’s hilarious.

He’s basically the audience trying to “rationalize” how Palpatine came back via a verbal bullet point of possibilities.

So in some ways, he breaks the forth wall maybe? Lol.

That’s precisely why this particular line should be removed. We have honed in on the whole cloning thing so we needn’t muddy things up any further.