Jar Jar Bricks

Cinefy said:

Would have been really nice if the Sith cultist choir had echoed subtle DOTF, tried testing it a few times.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702816288342278207/822925192031764530/preview_DOTF.mp4

Could be pulled off a lot better.

I do like this as well, but unfortunately I can tell that there is a bit of musical overlap. Didn’t notice that as much in MR’s example. I feel like a combination of some sort between the two would work well.

Maybe I’m just not cut out for this stuff. I’ll admit that I kinda have a problem where I get frustrated when I can’t wrap my head around why somebody feels a particular way about something (especially when it’s the opposite of me).

I said earlier that if people feel like these aren’t working, then I’ll just keep it all to myself. So, yeah, think that’s probably what’s best at this point for my own health. I’ll still critique other people’s things, but I don’t plan on posting my own ideas here unless it’s on the general ideas thread or on my own thread. Otherwise people may get too defensive, which is usually when I feel compelled to change their mind lol.

The only parts I interpreted as personal were those exaggerations because I had previously admitted that I didn’t see any problems with them. So when you go on and on describing how “this is far worse than anything I’ve seen in any professional film” it made me feel like you’re questioning my sanity despite you claiming that you weren’t dissing me lol.

But anyways, yes, I agree. Let’s move on.

Oh, did I use a word wrong again? I meant to say “disapproval” in that case. I can give some examples of you overexaggerating (imo) your disapproval of the particular lines, not the overall effort.

Let me be clear, I appreciate the feedback. But let’s also try not to overexaggerate any distain for something. You had me thinking I was some alien creature that perceives audio completely differently than everyone else LMAO.

I’ll still stand by what Sid said, though: “Sometimes it’s okay to have a trade off of boosting the narrative and characters while subtracting some technical perfection, but a certain bar still has to be met.” I feel the bar has clearly been met with a couple of these. You disagree. I’ll never be able to fully understand your position, and you’ll never be able to fully understand mine. That’s alright.

RogueLeader said:

EDIT: Anytime I type your name I can’t help but think I’m having conversations with literal Jar Jar Binks.

Well, his last known appearance was as a street clown.

Who knows, maybe he goes on OT.com in his free time?

It’s hard for me to understand because it seems to me like we’re listening to completely different things. I would not describe the “lately” line as jarring in any way whatsoever.

And using Galaxy of Adventures as an example is just completely laughable. Seriously? Saying these lines are like comparing animation to live action? The difference is not that astounding in the slightest. That’s crazy talk right there. It’s subtle, if anything at all.

EDIT: We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. No use in arguing further. Although now I am wondering if certain humans are born with different hearing capabilities. Or is it acquired? Because that’s the only logical way I can explain this disagreement.

@Sherlock I figured out a way for Ben’s last line to not be “Ow”. I simply added in an enthusiastic “Yes!” as in “This is awesome!” while he’s destroying the Knights of Ren:

https://youtu.be/MmXg5G-QdMs

Getting myself prepared over here to get roasted once again (I’m joking, okay?).

I would argue that it’s impossible to remove the “fan edit-y” feeling of Leia, so I’m not sure why you brought up adding lines to begin with. I always thought the intention was to make her seem like an actual human being that doesn’t say a catchphrase every so often like a doll with a voice box. If in the end of undoing that the new lines only sound, say, 50/50 for some people, then so be it I say.

That could work too. I just couldn’t resist the urge to put it in the clip I shared because he is in his ship when he says it and you can hear the tracker start going off right after he says it lol.

EDIT: Dammit, I really like OT callbacks despite how this one would screw things up. Perhaps he is simply saying that he has her cornered now, and she has to use the dark side to escape it? Idk, I’m definitely making crap up lmao.

Here’s something fun I came up with while searching through Kylo’s LEGO lines:

https://youtu.be/RFUNUZBf5I8

It’s nice to have a fun callback line to Vader, who Kylo glorifies, but I personally feel like this line wouldn’t work. The line being there creates the implication that Kylo really wanted to kill Rey instead of test her. Still thought I would share it here for those interested.

Thing is, I felt like it already had been adjusted thoroughly by Poppa. Not the first line, I don’t like that one anymore. What I’m having a hard time understanding is that you seem to think somebody can’t change their tone inbetween sentences. In the first line, Leia makes an observation about Rey. She sounds like she’s being friendly. Makes sense. When Rey expounds a bit on how she is feeling, Leia switches to a more sympathetic and personal tone “don’t tell me what things look like, tell me what they are.” Idk, it just makes a lot of sense to me.

EDIT: Sounds good Hal.
I also think its important to note that Carrie is dead, so obviously ADR was NEVER going to be flawless. If you can make an excuse for TV shows, I think you can make an excuse for a movie trying to bring a deceased actor back to life (within reason, of course).

Sherlock, the original line goes like this: “Once we can compare…” so I tried to cut off the “air” sound so it just had the “comp”. Unfortunately it didn’t sound right so I had to cut much closer. I could try again though. I’ll also check out some Ben Solo stuff.

Thanks again for coming to my defense Sid lol. I think some people are still too hung up on the first few audio tests I did and gave up on me. I feel like that’s a pretty unfair approach, especially in fan editing.

Let me be clear again, I’m only recommending “there’s been a lot of that lately” (fixed by Poppa), some grunts when she is collapsing, and MAYBE the line mentioned above if I can get it right (unlikely). Is that too much to ask for? The only reason I’m continuing this conversation is to make sure Hal’s edit is as good as it can be, but if I’m wrong that these are enhancements I suppose I should just keep it all to myself.

Here’s what I’m thinking:

1. Use “There’s been a lot of that lately” (still confused why some don’t like this one)
2. Either tighten up the staring between Rey and Leia in the wayfinder scene or do nothing at all there.
3. Add the subtle grunts to Leia collapsing in the command room.

CaptainFaraday said:

• Kylo’s ship no longer explodes, just crash lands. He also wasn’t trying to actually kill Rey; it was more like a test to see how far she’s come and how in sync they are.

Wait, did Rae Carson seriously say that he was trying to kill her? That’s probably the most stupid explanation for that scene I’ve ever heard LMAO. Glad to hear you fixed that. I always assumed that he was baiting her into using dark side powers to escape the situation.

Thanks Sid.

This might seem like a random question, but here it goes anyway. Are the people that dislike the added Leia lines the same ones that dislike the added Knights of Ren voices? Because I’m starting to think it might be possible to simply include a couple of these in an alternate audio track along with those.

TestingOutTheTest said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

"Destroying the mask doesn’t contradict TLJ. Destroying the mask was out of frustration of being a knock off and failure to live up to Vader, not necessarily to let the past die. When Kylo said let the past die, he meant the Jedi, the Sith, the Empire of Old, etc. and make the future his way, a new order as per his vision.

He resurrected the mask because he felt confident that he could live up to Vader in turning Rey dark and killing Palpatine. He openly told Palpatine twice that he’d kill him after being subservient to Snoke, and actually succeeded in turning Rey to the dark side before Leia turned him back."

Yup. This is pretty much what I’ve been saying for a while now. He was trying to finish what Vader started by letting the past die; get rid of everything except for a new order ruled entirely by himself and those he cares for.

Really? I always thought Kylo Ren was referring to ending the Jedi when he said “finish what [Vader] started”.

Yep I feel he only realized what that statement truly meant when Snoke berated him. Up until then, he probably thought it just meant wearing a mask and being subservient to Snoke.

Then in TLJ he realizes he was childish to think a mask made him more like Vader so he destroys it. Then he realizes he really should be the one to replace Snoke with the one he cares for by his side (which is what Vader always wanted).

Man, I feel like I’m crazy or something because that example and Poppa’s modified “lately” line sound virtually flawless to me. And I’ve listened to them with laptop speakers, phone speakers, ear buds, and headphones. I’ll just have to add them to my own copy of v2 in the end I suppose.

Are you still including the grunting noises when Leia collapses, Hal?

Fair enough. I agree 😉 I was thinking it might serve as a red herring for the audience that he’s not the spy.

And here’s the line I wanted considered for the Leia/Rey interaction:

https://youtu.be/WhCZavUzhMc

So it would go:
Leia: No. Once we can co[mplete your training…]
Rey(interrupting): I don’t want to leave without your blessing but I will. I will. It’s what you would do.

Cinefy said:

Concept: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501825149469851659/822566875241906246/Flu_shot_concept.mp4

LMAO where is this from?

EDIT: So it’s from the LEGO game again. https://youtu.be/wgbt_g6WgXU?t=221 I feel like the line in this video I shared would actually work pretty well there.

"Destroying the mask doesn’t contradict TLJ. Destroying the mask was out of frustration of being a knock off and failure to live up to Vader, not necessarily to let the past die. When Kylo said let the past die, he meant the Jedi, the Sith, the Empire of Old, etc. and make the future his way, a new order as per his vision.

He resurrected the mask because he felt confident that he could live up to Vader in turning Rey dark and killing Palpatine. He openly told Palpatine twice that he’d kill him after being subservient to Snoke, and actually succeeded in turning Rey to the dark side before Leia turned him back."

Yup. This is pretty much what I’ve been saying for a while now. He was trying to finish what Vader started by letting the past die; get rid of everything except for a new order ruled entirely by himself and those he cares for.

Coolio. What really put me off about that scene was that she wasn’t making any noises whatsoever. Obviously you can adjust the volume of the grunt as well as the pitch but here it is:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ItBINdTjMGj2Eq4J5Nk24ZU11QrXGC_N/view?usp=sharing

I do have another line suggestion for the Leia/Rey wayfinder scene, but I’ll save it for later today from clogging up the feed. IMO, it’s significantly better than the last one.

Alright, this is a SUPER subtle change but these are the kinds of things that will make Leia’s performance seem more realistic. I added in some light struggle effects when Leia collapses in the command room:

https://youtu.be/V-5pT7YxyB8

I forgot to lower the pitch on it but I think it works well enough as-is.

Just wanna thank Poppa again for the work on the “lately” line. Sounds perfect to me.

If ya’ll haven’t been able to tell already, I’ve given up on making the other two sound natural. But I’m convinced this one is flawless now.

I’m pretty sure that would be easily detected by viewers. She doesn’t have too many lines and when you use the same exact delivery twice in a row it would be obvious.

Anyways, I’m also fairly certain the delivery of the line wouldn’t match. She sounds much too eager/excited when she says “tell me”.