Maybe I’ve lost it because of this darn movie, but besides the whole Ben living and Anakin inclusion thingies I am yet to read anything that I would have preferred over what we already have in TROS (or more specifically in Hal’s Ascendant edit).
I don’t doubt it was a last second decision. But that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a warranted one.
I think both of you are forgetting that at its core Star Wars is a fairy tale. It’s for 12 year olds. Nev, your argument for how it should have been about the systems that subvert democracy would definitely work in a political drama or some movie that is for a much older audience. It definitely works as an underlying message in the prequels or TLJ, but I don’t believe it should be the overall message of the saga.
I much prefer the mythical good guys v. bad guys side of things, and the struggles that the good people go through to resist the evil side.
That’s not an excuse for it to suffer from bad writing, and certainly does not make it be immune from criticism. Not that I agree with Nev.
Idk, I mean, children’s stories tend to have a very basic, easy to understand central message. There can be some adult stuff added on top of that, but it shouldn’t be the focus.
You’re free to call it bad writing, but these sorts of stories have their roots in ancient stories all across the world.
I don’t doubt it was a last second decision. But that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a warranted one.
I think both of you are forgetting that at its core Star Wars is a fairy tale. It’s for 12 year olds. Nev, your argument for how it should have been about the systems that subvert democracy would definitely work in a political drama or some movie that is for a much older audience. It definitely works as an underlying message in the prequels or TLJ, but I don’t believe it should be the overall message of the saga.
I much prefer the mythical good guys v. bad guys side of things, and the struggles that the good people go through to resist the evil side.
I do agree with you Testing that Palpatine needed to be brought back to some extent. The story of the overall saga needs to be rooted with Anakin and his struggle with the devil (Palpatine).
So they got part of that done right… but then missed the mark completely by not having Anakin included to a certain extent with this generation going up against him.
Yet again, I refer back to Kylo who should have essentially been the stand-in character for Anakin. And I feel that would have been conveyed much more clearly if he survived.
I personally just dislike the idea that Kylo had to die to atone for his sins. He was a young man. Should he feel regret about his choices for the rest of his life? Absolutely. But he should channel that into doing positive things for the galaxy.
Vader was a completely different circumstance. Living in his body was a living hell, and he had already spent the other half of his life trying to be a good person as a Jedi. He was also old enough for his death to not be so tragic.
Yeah, while I bemoan Ben’s death a lot, at least it was Ben’s death and not Kylo’s. TROS would’ve been truly awful/irredeemable in my eyes if he hadn’t been redeemed to some degree lol. I’m like, hey, we got his redemption in a really good scene with Han, we got him absolutely fucking up the knights, we got the Reylo kiss! Did I want him to talk with Anakin? Of course. Should he have lived? Absolutely. Why didn’t he have a single line of dialogue (ow)? No clue. But it could’ve been way worse :S
Thanks for mentioning the Anakin ghost. That’s the other thing I’ll be changing in my edit of the novelization. While I absolutely adore the Han interaction as well, I’m putting a lot of focus on Kylo worshipping Vader’s ambition. So there has to be some sort of point in the story where Anakin tells him how much he wishes he could go back and never have made those terrible decisions.
I’ll probably make my own thread soon outlining all of these details.
I personally just dislike the idea that Ben had to die to atone for his sins as Kylo. He was a young man. Should he feel regret about his choices for the rest of his life? Absolutely. But he should channel that into doing positive things for the galaxy.
Vader was a completely different circumstance. Living in his body was a living hell, and he had already spent the other half of his life trying to be a good person as a Jedi. He was also old enough for his death to not be so tragic.
You’re right Testing in that they were definitely intending for this saga to end with the death of the physical Skywalker bloodline and have it stand as a legacy for others to live by. But unfortunately most of them weren’t very good examples to look up to. We as the audience know this. Even Luke messed up pretty bad.
I feel like it all leaves a sour taste in your mouth at the end of the movie with the title The Rise of Skywalker. Yes, Rey picks up the name, but we all know that she isn’t a real Skywalker by blood. IMO, it is more of a positive ending for the Skywalker bloodline for Ben to learn from the mistakes of the past and be given another shot at creating a better galaxy.
Sounds like you would have enjoyed Duel of the Fates, jarbear. Haha.
Him living would have made me want to see more sequels (Episode X and beyond). It would have been incredibly interesting to see the (New) New Republic labeling the Jedi as a terrorist group because it was led by an ex-Nazi leader and the granddaughter of the devil himself.
Wanted to spur a little bit of discussion.
I feel like the ways both the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy end feels sort of inevitable. Perhaps time has added to this feeling, but Anakin falling to the dark side, and then him being redeemed by his son, feel like these are the only ways these stories could’ve gone.
When it comes to the story of the sequel trilogy and the way they end, I feel like those are harder to pin down. I know George said the sequels were about the “grandchildren” and the torch being passed to them, per se, but I can understand the struggle the writers had when trying to figure this out.
I guess I am curious to hear if people feel like the ending of TROS felt like the right or inevitable ending to them. And if not, what do you think that ending should have been? Could you potentially edit TROS to get closer to that ending you imagined?
Might as well announce it to the public here. I’m actually writing a version of the novelization that does just this - change the ending of the story in a significant way while also providing my interpretation of events in the story. Thanks to Capatain Faraday for the inspiration.
Anyways, to answer your question directly, I believe that the writers really missed the mark by having Ben Solo die in the end. It would have been much more compelling for Ben’s character arc in the sequels to be a foil (opposite) of Anakin’s in the prequels - beginning in darkness, rising above it, and living on after his transformation to restore light to the galaxy with a certain Palpatine by his side, if you know what I mean.
It would have allowed Anakin to have an indirect but crucial role in the storyline, and we all know this saga is supposed to be about him. His legacy being something Kylo revered in TFA was a good decision. Unfortunate that it was sidelined afterwards. Of course, in this novelization I am reconciling both his Vader worship and past killing together as the same aspiration.
You were a spice runner, Hal? lol
I feel like we should wait for a v2 release until that LEGO The Skywalker Saga game comes out anyways (Q2 of this year). I have a feeling that there will be some unused voice lines from TROS in there.
True, true 😉
Insert the following into TROS so that there is yet another thing created by Rian Johnson that JJ destroys:
EDIT: Just realized that as a result of this one you would have to remove Luke dissing his actions in TLJ so I take this one back.
I know my software wouldn’t be able to do that lol. But yes, you’re right.
If I had to choose between the forest shot and a new shot with the lava, I would choose the forest one.
I would agree if the black bars that would be included in the shot would obstruct too many of the trees. Because then there would be too much lava and too little foliage. Although I can’t say that it would be that way for certain, yet.
I like that shot a lot. Who was it that put the TIEs over the previous clip?
Now the real question is this: do we want to remove the forest shot we had before and use this or use both at the same time? It might be a bit long with Vader’s castle to this new shot and then to the original forest shot. But that’s just me thinking without seeing such a thing.
I honestly really don’t care either way Sherlock/Burbin lol. I suppose I always just turned my brain off during the specifics of the briefing scene.
I’ll be happy with whatever Hal decides to do as long as it is seamless. But of course he’s not here right now.
There’s a thread for a custom crawl creator here. Hopefully that helps!
I should also add that this is a really easy tutorial to follow. Don’t let the fact that it’s using Blender scare you away. It looks really good in the end.
Take a high res screenshot of the stars you want for the beginning of the movie, and then use a fade away transition to line it up with the rest of the movie.
I thought 1:29 was a little too much of a bird’s eye view. It needs to be more angled imo.
1:15 would be perfect if there wasn’t those darn houses there. It has the same kind of trees that we have in the current clip.
There’s a good shot at 0:28. Not sure about the rest since they’re mostly closeups and involve large bodies of water.
Did you see my post about BBC Perfect Planet series?
Yeah but I’m not sure where to find that video. Do you know where we could view it?
On a different note: What’s the deal with the Mustafar minute sequence. - Has there been more things added for V2?
Vader’s castle has its own shot now with the windows dimmed. It also appears in the background while Kylo is picking up the Wayfinder. Those are the only things I’m aware of. I recommended a deleted snippet of Kylo snapping himself out of his fit of rage but everyone thought it was too short to consider.
Would have been really nice if the Sith cultist choir had echoed subtle DOTF, tried testing it a few times.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702816288342278207/822925192031764530/preview_DOTF.mp4
Could be pulled off a lot better.
I do like this as well, but unfortunately I can tell that there is a bit of musical overlap. Didn’t notice that as much in MR’s example. I feel like a combination of some sort between the two would work well.
Maybe I’m just not cut out for this stuff. I’ll admit that I kinda have a problem where I get frustrated when I can’t wrap my head around why somebody feels a particular way about something (especially when it’s the opposite of me).
I said earlier that if people feel like these aren’t working, then I’ll just keep it all to myself. So, yeah, think that’s probably what’s best at this point for my own health. I’ll still critique other people’s things, but I don’t plan on posting my own ideas here unless it’s on the general ideas thread or on my own thread. Otherwise people may get too defensive, which is usually when I feel compelled to change their mind lol.