Jar Jar Bricks

Yes, removing it doesn’t contradict anything, but it also removes the subtle idea that he may not have been there the entire time since his mission with Luke.

I’m simply saying that I find the canon answer really dumb since it feels like Luke 2.0, and I appreciate the idea that he might have decided to travel there to guide them at the behest of Leia.

Sorry that I’m pushing against your idea but I fundamentally disagree that dramatic tension is more important than character motivation.

EDIT: I should also add that I am personally against removing anything else from the film at this point. Like Dom said, these sound like removals for the sake of change. Additions are a different topic entirely.

Hey, all I’m saying is that it is canon that Lando stayed there for 14 years once he was done with the mission with Luke:

“He embarked on a quest to the desert planet of Pasaana with Luke Skywalker to find answers about the growing darkness in the Force, but failed to uncover anything. Seeking to bury the pain of those memories (his daughter), Calrissian settled on Pasaana and led a solitary lifestyle where he was known as the “Hermit” to the native Aki-Aki. He lived alone for some years while keeping contact with the Solo family and was later asked by Organa’s Resistance for his aid in the war against the First Order.” -Wookiepeedia

Same thing as Luke, really.

I feel this is the only line that keeps me from considering the above as the only possible answer.

DominicCobb said:

sherlockpotter said:

I mean, yeah, I still don’t understand why Luke abandoned him on Pasaana. But I don’t see how this line explains that? All this line tells us is that Leia and Lando are in communication, which just adds more layers of convolution, imo.

Like I said though, if we could flesh out the scene to give Lando some actual development, that would be swell; but that’s a separate issue from this one line.

There’s nothing in the film to suggest he’s been there the whole time. The transmission implies he headed over there when he heard they needed help.

Dom please save us all lol

The line makes it a possibility that Lando was not on Pasaana when Leia sent him a message. She sent it because she knew about his previous experience there with Luke. So he travels to Pasaana, gets in a taxi, and finds the heroes to fill them in on what he knows.

With the line removed, it is heavily suggested that Lando has pulled a Luke Skywalker over the past 20 years and has given up on everything. He is rotting away on a desert planet, and hasn’t left it since he was with Luke.

Oh, so we are removing the whole “Leia sent me a transmission” thing? Not a deal breaker, but I still don’t understand how that is a good change. It eliminates the head canon possibility that Lando was NOT stranded on Pasaana for the past 20 years.

I’d rather not ruin a character to preserve some tension. But that’s just my opinion.

Hal 9000 said:

As Luke uses the Force to raise his X-Wing for Rey on Ach-To, a door panel from his hut floats horizontally over to it.

Thank you for using my idea Hal! Lmao I love it.

Well I always undererstood it the exact opposite way: that the reason Rian showed the ship in the water shot is so that you wouldn’t suspect something was up with Luke in the climax.

TestingOutTheTest said:

Hal I know you intend for this to be the final version of your TLJ, but… TRoS shows that Luke’s X-Wing is intact, which contradicts how in TLJ that was shown to have one of its wings missing. Do you plan on going back to that shot and adding in a wing onto Luke’s X-Wing for consistency with TRoS?

We could always just assume that while Rey was off grabbing the wayfinder Luke took his door (which is the wing), chucked it down there, and reconnected it with the Force before lifting it up lol.

Honestly I feel it isn’t that big of a deal, though.

Especially considering… ya know… how unimportant Snoke becomes in the trilogy.

I suppose you’re right that he should have helped out more. But for whatever reason the script writers thought having him tag along would distract viewers from the new characters. So they decided he should only tell them where it is located, give some background knowledge, and then skip off to consider joining the Resistance for real.

Yup so it turns out in canon that he was just chilling on the planet. But that was never the impression I got out of the scene. I thought his vehicle was basically like a taxi service or something.

I still stand by that removing the line would only make things worse. We should be trying to make it seem like he hasn’t just been chilling there.

And where has he been this whole time? Well, I’d imagine after the First Order took his daughter that he probably left the cause and did his own business ventures for a while.

nluckett said:

Question:
It seems in Hals cut for Return of the Jedi, Sebastian Shaw was put back in, if I’m reading the notes correctly.

But then in this film, in the final battle with all the force ghosts (which I love) there is young Hayden Christensen in there.

Any thoughts on making the two the same for consistency?

Hal already decided on not doing this because he is the type of person that sees each trilogy as its own sort of story. So he feels Hayden doesn’t belong in the OT.

You and I are the type of people that see it all as one story, so I would recommend looking for a different special edition or simply adding it back in yourself.

Well obviously the reason Leia doesn’t tell the characters about Lando is because they didn’t have the resources with her to convey such an idea. So that gets a free pass imo.

I would say the line “Leia sent me a transmission” conveys everything you need to know. Leia notified Lando, perhaps as a second thought, that the gang is coming to Pasaana. She likely knew that he had helped Luke with the search there, and sure enough he decides to travel there to help them.

Hold up Sherlock, weren’t you the one complaining earlier about how there’s no reason Lando should be on Pasaana unless he was just chilling for 30 years? Why would we remove the one line that shuts down that misconception? lol.

Luke and Vader fighting there was supposed to show up in the vision. It was filmed and everything, if I’m not mistaken. I believe the reason they didn’t use it is because:

1. Hal is right that it doesn’t serve much of a purpose
2. Luke’s face would have looked super wonky because they would have had to use CGI superimposed over the actor they had.

Atom-88 said:

This may seem like a really stupid question and maybe I have missed something along the way but here we go, Kylo is looking for the wayfinder on mustafar where Vader’s castle is also located right but wouldn’t you expect the wayfinder to be hidden in Vader’s castle and not out his back somewhere?.
I know it may seem like a bit of a stupid question but only just really thought of this lol.

It’s an answer that takes a lot of vague canon stuff.

For one, the wayfinder was supposed to be under the protection of the Eye of Webbish Bog, who would have needed to be submerged in water.

For another, these particular cultists were obsessed with returning Mustafar to its original state, when it was a lush garden. As a result, they wanted to hang out in the forested area. Look up Lady Corvax if you want to know more.

I actually watched Rogue One and had a hard time figuring out exactly where the clip was taken from. And as for the TIE movement contrasting the camera movement, that was something I never really noticed, so it shouldn’t be an issue for the average person.

I’ll never understand why people think the Vader’s castle shot feels out of place. Kinda like how I don’t understand other things people feel are out of place…

I’d rather just stick with what we’ve currently got than implement the new shot, especially if it means we have to remove Vader’s castle.

No need to start swearing, Testing. It’s just a movie. Unfortunately, some people are never going to find some enjoyment in it. No big deal as long as you yourself have.

Well, I’d imagine that in the geography of what we’re creating there’s Vader’s castle, which is surrounded by various lakes of lava, and then there was a forest planted just beyond those lava lakes.

This is a tough one for me… I thought the reason we selected this shot from the documentary was the trees so that it could line up better with the forest shot. But the order we currently have it in would kinda disrupt that since the castle shot has no trees in it.

I think I agree with those people that suggested having TIE shadows in the shot with their audio in the distance.

Otherwise, I think we should stick with what we got. I’m not sure about this order, and I know Hal doesn’t want to try any other ordering.

Ah, so you aren’t following Hal’s decision to make that planet the Endor moon from ROTJ?

One thing I always found kinda strange about Star Wars is that every planet is entirely one biome. But then you take a look at Earth and we have all sorts of different environments. I suppose changing it would break that trend in Star Wars, but at least one world would have different sections to it.

I mean, yeah, it wasn’t a good continuation of TLJ objectively speaking. Isn’t related at all to its ideas really. But was it a good continuation/finale of the sequels for me? Yes, because now I am actually able to go back and enjoy TLJ as well.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

joshuabri said:

All of this relentless back and forth doesn’t get us anywhere. It is fine and encouraged to state your opinions, but we’ll rarely, if ever, argue someone to our side. Nothing anyone is saying is wrong, it’s just that different story elements speak to each of us differently based on our own experiences. We have to accept that the story elements that we value most may not be as important to someone else. There is no “true” interpretation of the story or characters, just what they speak to us and our lives. Probably the best we can say is that a better developed and written trilogy might have had fewer offending elements to the fandom in general. Getting off my horse now.

I agree with this.

Although I will say that whatever George said in the past about Star Wars should be taken seriously at the very least. Unfortunately, he never really has commented on things such as Palpatine’s overarching role in the saga (as far as I’m aware).

I don’t think I’ve read/heard anything, just that he represents the “pure evil” kind of thing. But did Lucas have a role for him past 6 … Nope.

Only because he held the belief that the Sith, in their quest to attain immortal life, would be unable to achieve such a thing. He felt it would be best if only the Jedi would get it from being selfless. I agree with that sentiment, but the thing is that TROS makes it quite clear that Palpatine is experiencing a hellish existence for 30+ years. That’s not real immortality. It’s only when he drains the dyad that he is revitalized, and who knows if that new form would even last forever.

Furthermore, I find it ironic that George allegedly would have had Maul be the main villain of his sequels… when he is also a Sith that the audience would have always considered to be dead (unless you watched Clone Wars). As a result, I’d say he’s ok with a Sith living on as long as they’re miserable in that existence.

Hal 9000 said:

Like he’s lightning-incontinent?

Lmao old grandpa Palpatine has problems controlling his stream 🤣