I’ll admit it really isn’t that big of a deal unless you think about it too hard. If I’ve learned anything from this movie, it’s that it is a lot of stupid fun.
I believe Bobson Dugnutt did some work on that scene in his TLJ Expanded Edition edit. Don’t recall if it made the final cut, but he definitely spruced it up a bit.
Would it be possible to trim out 3PO’s line “I have read it…I know exactly where the Wayfinder is,” and focus instead on the “My programming prevents me from translating Sith Speak” aspect? I wonder if that whole thing might feel less contrived if 3PO actually can’t translate the dagger until he gets “patched” by Babu. Why would they program him with an Ancient Sith dictionary, and then tell him not to use it?
“There’s writing on it.”
“Perhaps I can translate it. It’s the clue that Master Luke was looking for!”
“And? Where’s the Wayfinder?”
“I am afraid I cannot tell you.”
“20.3 fazillion languages, you can’t read that?”
“Unfortunately, it is written in the runic language of the Sith.”
“So what?”
“My programming forbids me from translating it.”
The only slight problem I see with this is that 3PO doesn’t actually look at the dagger to read it when they bypass the restriction, which would imply that he already had the text memorized. I suppose you could argue he had the runes memorized and was able to instantly translate them once the process was completed.
I will say that it does seem a bit strange that 3PO’s programming prevents him from translating the dagger directly, but he himself admits that he knows where the wayfinder is located… like what’s stopping him from just telling the trio, “Hey, Endor is a nice place this time of year.” wink wink
Will you let us know when you find out about this, Jar Jar?
Yes, like I said in my previous comment you can remove 2 of the channels to completely eliminate the old speech. Unfortunately, it also takes out most of the children laughing.
EDIT: All of the speech is mostly condensed into one channel from what I’m seeing. I think this would be a game of enabling and muting the one track whenever the children are seen laughing. There is still some subtle laughter in the background without that main channel.
So yeah it looks like you can easily remove the guys voice with the 5.1. Unfortunately it also takes the majority of the children’s laughter with it, but I’m sure there are some audio wizards here that can amend that.
I could check out the 5.1 audio to see if the original voice can feasibly be removed.
I like it! Obviously the audio would be integrated better in the final product since it’s a little loud right now. I’d imagine it would fade out when the lady starts talking to her as well. But it sounds professional to me.
There isn’t an official Aki-Aki language we have to follow after all haha. Or is there?
Sorry, don’t think it works for me. It’s way too distracting to see Rey literally just die and then go back to everything else with everyone celebrating and having Lando being all jovial while he picks up Finn and Jannah. It’s too distracting to have that in the back of your mind.
Furthermore, I think the moment between Rey and Ben should stay exactly as that - a personal moment between the two of them. And besides, if Rey has been dead for the past couple of minutes why is it that Finn only senses it once he gets in the Falcon? And I would hate to see his moment go.
Lol, what ever happened to him anyways?
I didn’t want to further the discussion but I wanted to address what Sherlock said.
He also forgot that there is another instance of sending transmissions across the galaxy in AOTC. Obi-Wan sends one to Anakin, who then forwards it to the council. None of the message was in real time.
I’d imagine it would be pretty easy to do yourself. Seems like quite the small change to warrant an entirely new release.
Also it would make the scene in TROS come out of literally nowhere.
Or are you being sarcastic? Hard to tell.
Just because we don’t see it as often in the saga films doesn’t mean it isn’t a common way of communicating. Think of it like texting. Lando doesn’t have a phone (transmission device), but he can still receive messages through the computer or something. No droid necessary.
If you look at Wookieepedia it basically says the same thing. He is able to receive messages from them, but for whatever reason doesn’t do holographic chats.
He decides to give the trio the information but doesn’t want to get more involved than that. He changes his mind later.
Lando doesn’t do the same method of communication with them because he doesn’t know where to send the “text message” to, if you will.
But regardless, I don’t care much about his “I got a call about you guys” … but the one that sticks out is Rey’s kinda strange “Tell that to her yourself” … kinda implying they don’t talk but we know they just did? Kinda seemed unnecessary.
Leia sent him a transmission, jarbear. It was not a Skype call, if you will. It was a prerecorded message. So he didn’t talk to her.
Yes, Faraday is great. The reason he agrees with you on this Sherlock is because he is following a similar philosophy as you with his novelization. He doesn’t care as much about the surrounding facts, only the story currently being presented.
Anyways, I just don’t buy that somebody as vibrant as Lando would spend all that time on such a desolate world in retirement, even if the locals are nice. I’d imagine him continuing to travel around the galaxy if he wanted to forget his troubles.
Hey Sherlock, don’t feel too bad about it. These types of 50/50 split decisions may not end up being in the project, but you can always implement them yourself and possibly share it with everyone. That’s what I’m doing regarding a couple of these LEGO lines. Although I’m personally not currently planning on hosting a download for it. That seems like a lot of effort for a few minor changes.
First off, that example would not be a few seconds. We’re talking about at least a couple minutes there.
Second, I guess I dont really care about the specifics of filmmaking. All I care about is having the characters and lore make sense. If there is a small sacrifice in the former department for the latter to work well, then so be it I say.
I would argue the tension is released when the stormtrooper is killed. Who the guy is after that shouldn’t keep the audience concerned.
I mean, I’d say he was pretty helpful. I’d be willing to bet he was the only person in the galaxy that knew all that information about Ochi, where his ship was located, etc.
To respond to your edit, I actually don’t understand how this would help tension either. How many seconds are inbetween the line and him removing his helmet? And didn’t the guy just kill a stormtrooper? Pretty sure we can trust him. Yes, having him mention Leia makes this abundantly clear to the audience, but it’s just for a few seconds.
Yes, removing it doesn’t contradict anything, but it also removes the subtle idea that he may not have been there the entire time since his mission with Luke.
I’m simply saying that I find the canon answer really dumb since it feels like Luke 2.0, and I appreciate the idea that he might have decided to travel there to guide them at the behest of Leia.
Sorry that I’m pushing against your idea but I fundamentally disagree that dramatic tension is more important than character motivation.
EDIT: I should also add that I am personally against removing anything else from the film at this point. Like Dom said, these sound like removals for the sake of change. Additions are a different topic entirely.
Hey, all I’m saying is that it is canon that Lando stayed there for 14 years once he was done with the mission with Luke:
“He embarked on a quest to the desert planet of Pasaana with Luke Skywalker to find answers about the growing darkness in the Force, but failed to uncover anything. Seeking to bury the pain of those memories (his daughter), Calrissian settled on Pasaana and led a solitary lifestyle where he was known as the “Hermit” to the native Aki-Aki. He lived alone for some years while keeping contact with the Solo family and was later asked by Organa’s Resistance for his aid in the war against the First Order.” -Wookiepeedia
Same thing as Luke, really.
I feel this is the only line that keeps me from considering the above as the only possible answer.
I mean, yeah, I still don’t understand why Luke abandoned him on Pasaana. But I don’t see how this line explains that? All this line tells us is that Leia and Lando are in communication, which just adds more layers of convolution, imo.
Like I said though, if we could flesh out the scene to give Lando some actual development, that would be swell; but that’s a separate issue from this one line.
There’s nothing in the film to suggest he’s been there the whole time. The transmission implies he headed over there when he heard they needed help.
Dom please save us all lol
The line makes it a possibility that Lando was not on Pasaana when Leia sent him a message. She sent it because she knew about his previous experience there with Luke. So he travels to Pasaana, gets in a taxi, and finds the heroes to fill them in on what he knows.
With the line removed, it is heavily suggested that Lando has pulled a Luke Skywalker over the past 20 years and has given up on everything. He is rotting away on a desert planet, and hasn’t left it since he was with Luke.
Oh, so we are removing the whole “Leia sent me a transmission” thing? Not a deal breaker, but I still don’t understand how that is a good change. It eliminates the head canon possibility that Lando was NOT stranded on Pasaana for the past 20 years.
I’d rather not ruin a character to preserve some tension. But that’s just my opinion.
As Luke uses the Force to raise his X-Wing for Rey on Ach-To, a door panel from his hut floats horizontally over to it.
Thank you for using my idea Hal! Lmao I love it.
Well I always undererstood it the exact opposite way: that the reason Rian showed the ship in the water shot is so that you wouldn’t suspect something was up with Luke in the climax.
Hal I know you intend for this to be the final version of your TLJ, but… TRoS shows that Luke’s X-Wing is intact, which contradicts how in TLJ that was shown to have one of its wings missing. Do you plan on going back to that shot and adding in a wing onto Luke’s X-Wing for consistency with TRoS?
We could always just assume that while Rey was off grabbing the wayfinder Luke took his door (which is the wing), chucked it down there, and reconnected it with the Force before lifting it up lol.
Honestly I feel it isn’t that big of a deal, though.
Especially considering… ya know… how unimportant Snoke becomes in the trilogy.