Jar Jar Bricks

From TROS novelization:

Thanks to some risky assignments led by Poe, Rey, Finn, and Snap, they’d learned that the First Order had been doggedly perusing their sympathizers, restricting communications, cutting off supply lines, capturing or even assassinating allies. In short, no one had answered the call because very few had even heard it.

Makes me feel sick lmao. It’s probably the biggest retcon I’ve ever heard. The others in this movie I consider clarifications bordering on retcon, but this one is absolutely a retcon.

sherlockpotter said:

Hey Hal, are you interested in using RogueLeader’s ideas for Kijimi in Ascendant too? About having it be mid-Civil War with people fighting stormtroopers off in the distance?

(Slight deviation from the Dagger discussions, I know.)

I would be interested in some spray paintings of Luke Skywalker on the walls.

Side note: I cannot get over the fact that the official canon explanation for why nobody came to help on Crait was that the First Order cut communication lines. Like, bruh. The whole point of the movie is that everyone was hopeless until Luke shows up.

Well I’m definitely glad you were able to get something done that looks this good in that little amount of time!

He’s referring to what I said and merging it with the concept of Occam’s Razor (wherein the simplest explanation is the most likely one).

And btw, I am not saying that this isn’t a good change. It’s just hard for me to understand why we went out of our way to fix this minor continuity issue while leaving more glaring ones present.

Don’t get me wrong, it definitely deserves to be in every edit of TROS now that it’s been done. But at the same time, I can’t help but wonder: was it absolutely necessary to create in the first place? Because you can rationalize this continuity error with some simple reasoning. Can’t say the same about some others in this movie (looks at Rey’s lightsaber aggressively) 😉

Guess I’m a Debbie Downer like you, Sasquatch, haha.

I’m more neutral about it. I’d say it’s pretty obvious that Kylo had multiple TIEs. Whether they look different or not isn’t too big of a deal imo.

I will say that Poppa did some good work there. Just feel like his talents would have been better served by putting TIEs into Cinefy’s Mustafar shot or something else.

SparkySywer said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Ed Slushie said:

Could Obi-Wan’s line to Yoda be changed from “when you taught me” to “when you found me?”

That sounds like an easier method than mentioning Qui-Gon. Especially since we don’t actually know which Jedi retrieved Obi-Wan as a kid. Reminds me of Plo-Koon and Ashoka.

I don’t know how meaningful it is for a 3 year old to be impatient. Maybe cutting the idea from the PT about Jedi needing to start their training so young too would be a good idea?

Most people here use Hal’s prequels to some extent, so that isn’t an issue.

Ed Slushie said:

Come to think of it, Rey has always had absurdly good marksmanship. So it can’t hurt to be consistently absurd.

flashbacks to TIE triple kill

bbghost said:

Just quietly, I think this is one of my favorite small bits of editing I’ve done so far to this film:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fe-6n7XalPBHtDnJD7nDz9sG57ayMQYw/view?usp=sharing

I like it as well. But I can already hear the “Mary Sue” comments lol.

The original never actually makes it clear who lands the hit on him. They just all open fire. Come to think of it, why didn’t they start sinking sooner? This would alleviate that minor issue.

Well, that was his arc in TLJ. Which, btw, can we just acknowledge for a moment that some people do not understand Finn’s character arc in TLJ? They always say it was a regression, which is completely false. If you actually watch TFA it’s abundantly clear that he is only tagging along with the Resistance to save Rey. It’s only in TLJ where he aligns himself with a cause.

Sorry about the side rant. Anyways, are you saying that it’s important for the average person to help out with a cause? I can agree there. But at the same time I don’t think the reason Finn wanted to run away from the fight was because he didn’t think he could be helpful.

I do like the idea that Kylo ordered their last stand to be broadcast to the entire galaxy, and then it cuts out when Luke is a badass lol.

Too bad there isn’t a Kylo line you could throw into TLJ like, “Let the galaxy witness their end.” That would be the most subtle approach.

Well, when you look at the trio we discover something new about each one of them in the story. Rey is a Palpatine, Poe was a spice runner, and Finn is Force-sensitive. I’d hate to deny him something new. But at the same time, if I did do the inspirational message thingy for him that might work as a substitute.

Honestly, I feel like they just didn’t know exactly what to do with his character in TROS. I can kinda see what you mean when you say that if he’s Force sensitive it kinda diminishes the idea that anyone could defect from the First Order. Which is why Jannah and Co. was introduced, and why I’ll likely have other First Order troopers help them against the Final Order.

I was imagining that everyone would deploy on the ground (come to think of it that would solve the weirdness of space horses on a Star Destroyer).

But I suppose I could have just Finn and Rose go to the comm tower and have everyone else get on the Destroyer. I would want Rose’s character moment to be hacking into the tower. Not much, but better than what we got I’m pretty sure.

Honestly it is very similar to DOTF where they beam an inspirational message to the galaxy from the Jedi temple on Coruscant so I’ll have to take a look at that for how it all went down.

Funny you mention a stormtrooper revolution, because it’s definitely something I was considering (since, let’s face it, this project is more of a glorified fan fiction than an edit).

I didn’t like how when the comm tower furled up they instantly called off the ground attack. I think it would be interesting if instead Finn and Co. still do the ground attack because he has the idea of beaming a revolutionary message to the new command ship - where General Pryde is located.

Essentially, the Sith troopers are a no go because they have been brainwashed since birth by the Sith Eternal, but I had the idea that Pryde could have brought First Order troopers along with him to his Final Order ship. This is how Finn recognizes the ship through the Force. So these inspired stormtroopers would take over the ship, and in a spectacular sacrifice, they would bring the whole thing down so the Final Order becomes trapped there.

Definitely not something I have to do, but if it looks easy enough I may try it.

Emphasis on when you said “at least on paper”

It does sound nice and all, but we have no content except what is in the films to work with. I doubt there is a sufficient way to show the difference between “embracing the darkness” as you say and experiencing the darkness on screen. It’s something that could be done in written form, but not likely with what we have.

I’d imagine most of what we try would end up looking like her experiencing the darkness - and I already stated why that is problematic earlier.

I will say that it does seem slightly strange for Rey, whose arc is supposed to be about accepting people based on their heart, that her final moment in the movie is her taking on the name of Skywalker. Without any further clarification, one might assume she does this because she feels it gives her value, or purpose.

I know that in my novelization edit where Ben lives, I am planning on having Ben arrive on Tatooine. That’s when she becomes Rey Solo, not because that gives her a value or purpose, but because they are two individuals making a commitment to each other.

So icecream, by that logic 3PO would have to say that you have to commit dark deeds to get the blade to show you the location. The way we had it before is that any dark side emotion would trigger it (which is also the same as tapping into the dark side). And yes, fear is a dark side emotion.

I’m definitely willing to see what is come up with. But I personally see this is as a lot of effort for something that doesn’t seem like too big of a deal. I guess I’m in the minority there, though.

But from the drafts I’ve seen, 3PO literally just says “embrace the darkness” pretty much. That’s extremely vague. Does that mean if you are holding the dagger and you experience a dark side emotion that it will show you a flash of Endor? Because if so, that definitely isn’t information only 3PO could have given them. In fact, Rey could have discovered it quite easily on her own.

Sounds good, Brewzter. Glad someone is getting around to this. Honestly I should have tried it at some point lol.

I seem to remember Hal expressing mild interest in this? So maybe if it sounds good enough (and most importantly: subtle enough) it could go there.

I believe the original novel leaves it up to interpretation, so that is likely what I’ll be doing as well. Unless you have a reason for why it should be explicitly addressed? I’m willing to hear such an argument, because I don’t really care either way.

I suppose the difference is that a GPS coordinate is something concrete enough for the audience to understand that only his translation would retrieve. But when you start stepping into the mystical territory, then the audience may begin to ponder if 3PO was even necessary because we don’t have any frame of reference for how such a thing would work. Anybody has the right to ask at that point: why didn’t Rey’s dark emotions allow her to “use the dagger” to begin with?

And as for Kylo doing that, it works because it’s the villain doing it. So there is a loss, but not because the crew did something wrong. Whereas in this case, it makes it seem like Rey wasn’t very bright for not figuring that information out on her own. So she did something wrong.

The joke isn’t important. What is important is that imo it makes 3PO’s sacrifice and an entire portion of the film pointless because Rey didn’t simply hold the dagger while feeling either angry, fearful, passionate, aggressive, etc.

She seems to demonstrate those emotions quite frequently. So it would be like going through a whole bunch of effort and sacrifice to figure out how to solve a problem only to be told that the answer was right in front of your face the whole time. Sure, you could argue it’s tragic, but I see it as worse writing than what we currently have.

Hal 9000 said:

It’s still dumb, and it’s still just macguffin-ception, but at least this way it’s tied into Rey’s character, even if its clunky.

I believe you meant to say maclunky, Hal. lol

I get that it’s much simpler to understand, and I agree. But that’s exactly the problem I have with it: what 3PO relays from the dagger’s inscription is TOO simple. As in, Rey likely could have figured out how to use the dagger to get to Endor without him telling her.

As a result, it really diminishes his sacrifice and their detour to Kijimi. And it also sucks that you have to remove even more from this film to make the idea work.

Maybe in text form it could work (where we see Rey’s thoughts while holding it), but in film? I kinda doubt it.

Chapter 6 Changelog:

• Streamlining, replacing unusual word choices, some added details
• Festival of the Ancestors takes place every 2 years instead of 42. This is technically a canon answer, as everything besides the film and this novelization say 2. Makes the coincidence at least slightly more believable.
• Inserted the Luke puppet show, courtesy of Captain Faraday. This is important because I have removed the retcon that nobody heard their message in TLJ (which would have appeared earlier in the novel). Instead, the galaxy truly felt hopeless, and it is the legend of Skywalker that revives it. This is also fitting for a celebration which honors the past.
• Changed some details on the necklace Rey is given. It is looped with beads that have traditional Aki-Aki symbols on them.
• Kylo says “I’m not going to kill you” instead of “I don’t want to have to kill you”. Also just wants her to join him, not necessarily join the dark side.
• New scene with Kylo and the necklace which takes place immediately after their Force connection. Made it clear that he didn’t engage it, but perhaps subconsciously did because he wanted to find her.
• Described the database the First Order has which was created by the Empire
• The Stormtrooper stops them because they were running and nearly ran into him, not because they already know where the gang is located. He wants to see their identification.
• Made it clear that Lando has not been on Pasaana for the past 20 years. He pays the driver because he doesn’t know him, explains that he traveled there to help them, and decides not to follow them to Ochi’s ship because the First Order shows up. He doesn’t want to accidentally kill his own daughter, who is a stormtrooper.
  Link:
  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nVLwd-_oWHMbPtAvOw9zzCBXvPoZ8mgn/view?usp=sharing