Jar Jar Bricks

I was imagining that everyone would deploy on the ground (come to think of it that would solve the weirdness of space horses on a Star Destroyer).

But I suppose I could have just Finn and Rose go to the comm tower and have everyone else get on the Destroyer. I would want Rose’s character moment to be hacking into the tower. Not much, but better than what we got I’m pretty sure.

Honestly it is very similar to DOTF where they beam an inspirational message to the galaxy from the Jedi temple on Coruscant so I’ll have to take a look at that for how it all went down.

Funny you mention a stormtrooper revolution, because it’s definitely something I was considering (since, let’s face it, this project is more of a glorified fan fiction than an edit).

I didn’t like how when the comm tower furled up they instantly called off the ground attack. I think it would be interesting if instead Finn and Co. still do the ground attack because he has the idea of beaming a revolutionary message to the new command ship - where General Pryde is located.

Essentially, the Sith troopers are a no go because they have been brainwashed since birth by the Sith Eternal, but I had the idea that Pryde could have brought First Order troopers along with him to his Final Order ship. This is how Finn recognizes the ship through the Force. So these inspired stormtroopers would take over the ship, and in a spectacular sacrifice, they would bring the whole thing down so the Final Order becomes trapped there.

Definitely not something I have to do, but if it looks easy enough I may try it.

Emphasis on when you said “at least on paper”

It does sound nice and all, but we have no content except what is in the films to work with. I doubt there is a sufficient way to show the difference between “embracing the darkness” as you say and experiencing the darkness on screen. It’s something that could be done in written form, but not likely with what we have.

I’d imagine most of what we try would end up looking like her experiencing the darkness - and I already stated why that is problematic earlier.

I will say that it does seem slightly strange for Rey, whose arc is supposed to be about accepting people based on their heart, that her final moment in the movie is her taking on the name of Skywalker. Without any further clarification, one might assume she does this because she feels it gives her value, or purpose.

I know that in my novelization edit where Ben lives, I am planning on having Ben arrive on Tatooine. That’s when she becomes Rey Solo, not because that gives her a value or purpose, but because they are two individuals making a commitment to each other.

So icecream, by that logic 3PO would have to say that you have to commit dark deeds to get the blade to show you the location. The way we had it before is that any dark side emotion would trigger it (which is also the same as tapping into the dark side). And yes, fear is a dark side emotion.

I’m definitely willing to see what is come up with. But I personally see this is as a lot of effort for something that doesn’t seem like too big of a deal. I guess I’m in the minority there, though.

But from the drafts I’ve seen, 3PO literally just says “embrace the darkness” pretty much. That’s extremely vague. Does that mean if you are holding the dagger and you experience a dark side emotion that it will show you a flash of Endor? Because if so, that definitely isn’t information only 3PO could have given them. In fact, Rey could have discovered it quite easily on her own.

Sounds good, Brewzter. Glad someone is getting around to this. Honestly I should have tried it at some point lol.

I seem to remember Hal expressing mild interest in this? So maybe if it sounds good enough (and most importantly: subtle enough) it could go there.

I believe the original novel leaves it up to interpretation, so that is likely what I’ll be doing as well. Unless you have a reason for why it should be explicitly addressed? I’m willing to hear such an argument, because I don’t really care either way.

I suppose the difference is that a GPS coordinate is something concrete enough for the audience to understand that only his translation would retrieve. But when you start stepping into the mystical territory, then the audience may begin to ponder if 3PO was even necessary because we don’t have any frame of reference for how such a thing would work. Anybody has the right to ask at that point: why didn’t Rey’s dark emotions allow her to “use the dagger” to begin with?

And as for Kylo doing that, it works because it’s the villain doing it. So there is a loss, but not because the crew did something wrong. Whereas in this case, it makes it seem like Rey wasn’t very bright for not figuring that information out on her own. So she did something wrong.

The joke isn’t important. What is important is that imo it makes 3PO’s sacrifice and an entire portion of the film pointless because Rey didn’t simply hold the dagger while feeling either angry, fearful, passionate, aggressive, etc.

She seems to demonstrate those emotions quite frequently. So it would be like going through a whole bunch of effort and sacrifice to figure out how to solve a problem only to be told that the answer was right in front of your face the whole time. Sure, you could argue it’s tragic, but I see it as worse writing than what we currently have.

Hal 9000 said:

It’s still dumb, and it’s still just macguffin-ception, but at least this way it’s tied into Rey’s character, even if its clunky.

I believe you meant to say maclunky, Hal. lol

I get that it’s much simpler to understand, and I agree. But that’s exactly the problem I have with it: what 3PO relays from the dagger’s inscription is TOO simple. As in, Rey likely could have figured out how to use the dagger to get to Endor without him telling her.

As a result, it really diminishes his sacrifice and their detour to Kijimi. And it also sucks that you have to remove even more from this film to make the idea work.

Maybe in text form it could work (where we see Rey’s thoughts while holding it), but in film? I kinda doubt it.

Chapter 6 Changelog:

• Streamlining, replacing unusual word choices, some added details
• Festival of the Ancestors takes place every 2 years instead of 42. This is technically a canon answer, as everything besides the film and this novelization say 2. Makes the coincidence at least slightly more believable.
• Inserted the Luke puppet show, courtesy of Captain Faraday. This is important because I have removed the retcon that nobody heard their message in TLJ (which would have appeared earlier in the novel). Instead, the galaxy truly felt hopeless, and it is the legend of Skywalker that revives it. This is also fitting for a celebration which honors the past.
• Changed some details on the necklace Rey is given. It is looped with beads that have traditional Aki-Aki symbols on them.
• Kylo says “I’m not going to kill you” instead of “I don’t want to have to kill you”. Also just wants her to join him, not necessarily join the dark side.
• New scene with Kylo and the necklace which takes place immediately after their Force connection. Made it clear that he didn’t engage it, but perhaps subconsciously did because he wanted to find her.
• Described the database the First Order has which was created by the Empire
• The Stormtrooper stops them because they were running and nearly ran into him, not because they already know where the gang is located. He wants to see their identification.
• Made it clear that Lando has not been on Pasaana for the past 20 years. He pays the driver because he doesn’t know him, explains that he traveled there to help them, and decides not to follow them to Ochi’s ship because the First Order shows up. He doesn’t want to accidentally kill his own daughter, who is a stormtrooper.
  Link:
  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nVLwd-_oWHMbPtAvOw9zzCBXvPoZ8mgn/view?usp=sharing

Ed Slushie said:

Could Obi-Wan’s line to Yoda be changed from “when you taught me” to “when you found me?”

That sounds like an easier method than mentioning Qui-Gon. Especially since we don’t actually know which Jedi retrieved Obi-Wan as a kid. Reminds me of Plo-Koon and Ashoka.

Both of you keep critiquing the shape of the knife matching the wreckage. Yes, that is stupid, but I’m not arguing for that (especially since it’s already been removed in v1). So please stop bringing that up.

I’m only talking about the Sith runes. Other people knew what a wayfinder was (because they are necessary for deep travel into the Unknown Regions) but he was the only one who knew where this Sith one was located. He was probably told by Palpatine about its location, though (ya know, since it belongs to him).

In canon, he bragged about it at Cantinas and that’s how it got to Lando, and by proxy Luke. He clearly only inscribed the runes for bragging rights. Nobody else could understand what was written on it unless they were from Exegol (or knew Sithspeak).

SandMTV said:

Change Vader’s line, “Obi-wan once thought as you do.” to “Padme once thought as you do.”

Did anybody try this yet? He says Padme in the suit in ROTS

Movies Remastered said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

EDIT: Also when I say “ancient” I definitely don’t mean 30 years. Not sure where you got that impression, MR.

The dagger was made to pinpoint the location of the Wayfinder on the DSII which would’ve only been there around 30 years. The movie treats the dagger like it’s ancient but it’s not possible if that was its original purpose?

Who ever said that was its original purpose? Its original purpose was simply a weapon, because, you know, that’s what daggers are used for. Ochi simply modified it with Sith runes because he thought it would be cool for it to point to something only he knew about.

dzabdehat said:

I won’t miss the “oldest friend” joke at all, and on top of everything already mentioned, even if Babu knew they were going to Endor, I just can’t see his character sending a message to the horse people about Rey, the last hope, coming to their planet. It’s as if Watto sent a message to the Gungans to expect Padme.

It wasn’t sent directly to them, it was sent to that general location on Endor for anyone to pick up. Jannah clearly has no idea who Babu Frik is based on her tone of voice. Granted, that could possibly makes things worse and not better since there could definitely be some fanatics in the area. Babu was definitely taking a gamble there.

EDIT: Just had an amusing thought. Since we made it the forest moon in this edit, perhaps he thought a bunch of Ewoks would come to their rescue lol. Then again, they can’t pick up transmissions, so rip. At least they would likely recognize 3PO.

I’ll admit, the protractor bit is still shaky. That’s why I’m fine with that part being removed. But him modifying a Sith relic with the coordinates to a wayfinder that only he knows about? Sounds like something a narcissist would do for bragging rights for sure. What those kind of people do doesn’t have to make sense if it makes them feel special.

EDIT: Also when I say “ancient” I definitely don’t mean 30 years. Not sure where you got that impression, MR.

ThisIsCreation said:

I think we have reached a point where removing dialogue is something we don’t want to do, but now that the dagger story has been mulled over, removing the babu frik line is the way to go, but keeping the line doesn’t fit the story that is being crafted.

Yup. I was kinda neutral about the whole dagger change until it came to removing even more from the film.

But especially now that I’ve realized that it’s canonical Ochi put his own inscription onto the dagger (which was of ancient origin), I’m unsure if I’d want this idea implemented even if it didn’t involve removing more stuff.

It seems to me like a pretty easy explanation to come up with on your own, so imo it doesn’t matter much that it isn’t mentioned in the film.

There’s a program called 4K Video Downloader that I use for YouTube stuff. Let’s you download items off of YouTube at a bunch of different sizes.

It’s not just about the joke. It’s mostly about making sure the scene at the shore is a decent length which doesn’t feel chopped up (since we already removed the dagger lining up with the wreckage).

But if everyone thinks it’s fine, then okay.

Yes, but at some point you have to consider whether it’s worth removing parts of the film in order to accommodate for something that only some people take issue with.

Octorox said:

Honestly I’d be very sad to see the “Babu Frik, he’s one of my oldest friends” line go.

Yeah I mentioned this earlier. Big sad. 😦

V1.2 is the best. Although I would personally recommend trimming the shot of Rey where you can see Poe start to lower his blaster, but then in the very next shot he still has it pointed up.