Sounds good, Brewzter. Glad someone is getting around to this. Honestly I should have tried it at some point lol.
I seem to remember Hal expressing mild interest in this? So maybe if it sounds good enough (and most importantly: subtle enough) it could go there.
I believe the original novel leaves it up to interpretation, so that is likely what I’ll be doing as well. Unless you have a reason for why it should be explicitly addressed? I’m willing to hear such an argument, because I don’t really care either way.
I suppose the difference is that a GPS coordinate is something concrete enough for the audience to understand that only his translation would retrieve. But when you start stepping into the mystical territory, then the audience may begin to ponder if 3PO was even necessary because we don’t have any frame of reference for how such a thing would work. Anybody has the right to ask at that point: why didn’t Rey’s dark emotions allow her to “use the dagger” to begin with?
And as for Kylo doing that, it works because it’s the villain doing it. So there is a loss, but not because the crew did something wrong. Whereas in this case, it makes it seem like Rey wasn’t very bright for not figuring that information out on her own. So she did something wrong.
The joke isn’t important. What is important is that imo it makes 3PO’s sacrifice and an entire portion of the film pointless because Rey didn’t simply hold the dagger while feeling either angry, fearful, passionate, aggressive, etc.
She seems to demonstrate those emotions quite frequently. So it would be like going through a whole bunch of effort and sacrifice to figure out how to solve a problem only to be told that the answer was right in front of your face the whole time. Sure, you could argue it’s tragic, but I see it as worse writing than what we currently have.
It’s still dumb, and it’s still just macguffin-ception, but at least this way it’s tied into Rey’s character, even if its clunky.
I believe you meant to say maclunky, Hal. lol
I get that it’s much simpler to understand, and I agree. But that’s exactly the problem I have with it: what 3PO relays from the dagger’s inscription is TOO simple. As in, Rey likely could have figured out how to use the dagger to get to Endor without him telling her.
As a result, it really diminishes his sacrifice and their detour to Kijimi. And it also sucks that you have to remove even more from this film to make the idea work.
Maybe in text form it could work (where we see Rey’s thoughts while holding it), but in film? I kinda doubt it.
Chapter 6 Changelog:
Could Obi-Wan’s line to Yoda be changed from “when you taught me” to “when you found me?”
That sounds like an easier method than mentioning Qui-Gon. Especially since we don’t actually know which Jedi retrieved Obi-Wan as a kid. Reminds me of Plo-Koon and Ashoka.
Both of you keep critiquing the shape of the knife matching the wreckage. Yes, that is stupid, but I’m not arguing for that (especially since it’s already been removed in v1). So please stop bringing that up.
I’m only talking about the Sith runes. Other people knew what a wayfinder was (because they are necessary for deep travel into the Unknown Regions) but he was the only one who knew where this Sith one was located. He was probably told by Palpatine about its location, though (ya know, since it belongs to him).
In canon, he bragged about it at Cantinas and that’s how it got to Lando, and by proxy Luke. He clearly only inscribed the runes for bragging rights. Nobody else could understand what was written on it unless they were from Exegol (or knew Sithspeak).
Change Vader’s line, “Obi-wan once thought as you do.” to “Padme once thought as you do.”
Did anybody try this yet? He says Padme in the suit in ROTS
EDIT: Also when I say “ancient” I definitely don’t mean 30 years. Not sure where you got that impression, MR.
The dagger was made to pinpoint the location of the Wayfinder on the DSII which would’ve only been there around 30 years. The movie treats the dagger like it’s ancient but it’s not possible if that was its original purpose?
Who ever said that was its original purpose? Its original purpose was simply a weapon, because, you know, that’s what daggers are used for. Ochi simply modified it with Sith runes because he thought it would be cool for it to point to something only he knew about.
I won’t miss the “oldest friend” joke at all, and on top of everything already mentioned, even if Babu knew they were going to Endor, I just can’t see his character sending a message to the horse people about Rey, the last hope, coming to their planet. It’s as if Watto sent a message to the Gungans to expect Padme.
It wasn’t sent directly to them, it was sent to that general location on Endor for anyone to pick up. Jannah clearly has no idea who Babu Frik is based on her tone of voice. Granted, that could possibly makes things worse and not better since there could definitely be some fanatics in the area. Babu was definitely taking a gamble there.
EDIT: Just had an amusing thought. Since we made it the forest moon in this edit, perhaps he thought a bunch of Ewoks would come to their rescue lol. Then again, they can’t pick up transmissions, so rip. At least they would likely recognize 3PO.
I’ll admit, the protractor bit is still shaky. That’s why I’m fine with that part being removed. But him modifying a Sith relic with the coordinates to a wayfinder that only he knows about? Sounds like something a narcissist would do for bragging rights for sure. What those kind of people do doesn’t have to make sense if it makes them feel special.
EDIT: Also when I say “ancient” I definitely don’t mean 30 years. Not sure where you got that impression, MR.
I think we have reached a point where removing dialogue is something we don’t want to do, but now that the dagger story has been mulled over, removing the babu frik line is the way to go, but keeping the line doesn’t fit the story that is being crafted.
Yup. I was kinda neutral about the whole dagger change until it came to removing even more from the film.
But especially now that I’ve realized that it’s canonical Ochi put his own inscription onto the dagger (which was of ancient origin), I’m unsure if I’d want this idea implemented even if it didn’t involve removing more stuff.
It seems to me like a pretty easy explanation to come up with on your own, so imo it doesn’t matter much that it isn’t mentioned in the film.
There’s a program called 4K Video Downloader that I use for YouTube stuff. Let’s you download items off of YouTube at a bunch of different sizes.
It’s not just about the joke. It’s mostly about making sure the scene at the shore is a decent length which doesn’t feel chopped up (since we already removed the dagger lining up with the wreckage).
But if everyone thinks it’s fine, then okay.
Yes, but at some point you have to consider whether it’s worth removing parts of the film in order to accommodate for something that only some people take issue with.
Honestly I’d be very sad to see the “Babu Frik, he’s one of my oldest friends” line go.
Yeah I mentioned this earlier. Big sad. 😦
V1.2 is the best. Although I would personally recommend trimming the shot of Rey where you can see Poe start to lower his blaster, but then in the very next shot he still has it pointed up.
Should also clarify that the reason I needed Kylo to not be speaking with Vader’s mask over the past year is because he would be brainwashed into thinking Vader was all giddy about being a Sith and loved being Palpy’s slave.
The distinction I’m trying to make with Kylo is that he discovered the truth about Vader’s legacy around the time of killing Snoke. So he’s basically trying to set up a dynasty of the Skywalker bloodline, which definitely isn’t what Palp’s wants (possession).
I agree. I made an error with that changelog, actually. I meant to say he was waiting to commune with Vader’s mask until he has destroyed the Resistance. But after Palp’s revelation he makes an exception.
You’re correct that he is more confident now that he is certain he will be able to get Rey to join him and kill Palpatine. That’s why he restores the mask. I believe I accomplished this implication in the chapter.
Sorry for the confusion.
Your v1 there is the best Sherlock. Although I’m kinda confused why Rey has to say “please”. I think if that were removed it would be seamless.
Why are we cutting the mention of Babu Frick again?
We’re testing out an idea that the dagger is something more ancient and doesn’t mention Endor on its inscription.
Personally, I prefer the way we have things in v1 but doesn’t hurt to try things out I suppose.
I think V3 cuts between shots oddly rapidly and it feels noticeable (not your fault; your editing is excellent, it’s just the very tiny amount coverage you’ve got to work with).
Have you tried putting C-3PO’s line after Rey’s?
Jannah: Are you Resistance?
Poe: That depends.
Rey: We have to get to that wreck. There’s something inside we need.
C-3PO: Don’t you know an ally when you see one?
(beat)
Jannah: I can take you there by water.
+1
I don’t watch Star Trek so I wouldn’t know. I was just basing it off of TFA because, you know, it’s also Star Wars.
Anyways, I never really noticed that about TFA. Maybe you’re right, it’s just that it’s all easy to understand.
The Force Awakens wasn’t NEARLY as jumbled as this movie though, so I find that hard to believe.