Jar Jar Bricks

All of that is impossible for me to do, unfortunately. In fact, I struggled to even create that, which is what I think you’re “feeling”. My editing software loves creating audio pops and visual anomalies when splicing thing together.

Besides that, I’m not sure I agree that the line is felt when absent. Maybe it’s because you’re expecting it. On text at least, it makes sense.

“I had a vision. Of the throne of the Sith. And who was on it. And me.”

So Rey currently claims with Finn that she saw both Kylo and herself on the Sith throne in her vision. This is wrong. Only Rey is seen on the throne in both the theatrical release and Ascendant. And the vision in Ascendant, in my interpretation, represents the two dark paths she could end up on (either with Kylo or the Sith).

Luckily this can be corrected by simply removing Finn’s line: “Ren?”

https://youtu.be/9NRD_G2N5lI

The only other thing that would need to be done to undo Kylo’s character regression would be to replace his line “We’ll kill him, and take the throne.” I’m still having trouble finding a suitable replacement for that.

Hal 9000 said:

What’s your version of that moment, in your rewrite?

Genuinely curious about this as well. I kept it the same in my rewrite because I couldn’t think of anything else that made much sense.

EDIT: Maybe just “I’m a Jedi” instead of all of them. But then the whole “1000 generations live in you now” doesn’t necessarily relate to the line.

Ah well. I just figured since we were modifying obscure/inconsequential lines such as “I never lied to you” and “She’s not on Jakku, she’s gone” for better continuity with TLJ that we might consider it for one of the main characters as well.

It wouldn’t take much to undo Kylo’s character regression, but I suppose I could discuss it more over there.

Random thing I wanted to bring up: in Rey’s conversation with Finn, she claims that she saw herself and Kylo on the throne. This is completely false according to what we saw earlier in the film. Yes, the new vision we have shows Kylo, but he is clearly not on the throne with her. So instead of saying “And me” she should be saying “Just me”.

This also ties in with the idea that we really should be making it so that Kylo has no interest in the Sith throne. In TLJ he clearly wants to create something new with Rey, and we should stick with that for better continuity. Instead, he should just be after commandeering the fleet. So at the very least we should remove the backend of the following line: “We’ll kill him, and take the throne.”

With those two simple modifications Kylo becomes more of an anti-hero, like Sherlock said. He clearly is just playing along with Palpatine, and wants nothing to do with him besides his fleet because of all the uprisings around the galaxy.

Welcome!

The real problem is the lip synchronization. There’s honestly not a whole lot you can do with those lines since we can clearly see their faces.

Characters with masks are much easier to replace dialogue for.

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

It’s a sunsRISE, Hal. Ya know, The Rise of Skywalker? Lol.

Semantics aside, I wonder if it was always intended to be one though. Maybe the novelization retconed it to be a sunrise instead of a sunset.

In the film itself is very clearly a sunrise.

Tell that to Dat SW Guy, I agree with you. He’s the one doing the visual effects.

What? I don’t see how that’s relevant to DSWG at all. You said you weren’t sure if it was intended to be a sunrise. I was responding to you. It definitely was.

Well from what I understand DSWG believes it to be a sunset even in the film. I never was convinced that it was a sunset - I was simply pondering something about the filmmaking process.

Anyways, in my second response there I was just pointing out that he is the one who needs convincing, not me.

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

It’s a sunsRISE, Hal. Ya know, The Rise of Skywalker? Lol.

Semantics aside, I wonder if it was always intended to be one though. Maybe the novelization retconed it to be a sunrise instead of a sunset.

In the film itself is very clearly a sunrise.

Tell that to Dat SW Guy, I agree with you. He’s the one doing the visual effects.

It’s a sunsRISE, Hal. Ya know, The Rise of Skywalker? Lol.

Semantics aside, I wonder if it was always intended to be one though. Maybe the novelization retconed it to be a sunrise instead of a sunset.

Yeah there’s also a theory that his lightsaber came attached to the hand, and Rey’s father escaped Exegol with the lightsaber in his possession. Then he either sold it to junkers from there (ending up with Maz), or straight up sold it to Maz somehow. Thus why it calls out to Rey, since her dad saved the blade from Palpy.

Honestly I’d like to see that in a comic.

sade1212 said:

Issue 11 of Greg Pak’s run, from late last month? I thought they only had daggers in that. Or is this a different comic?

They did on the cover. Or maybe the cover is just clickbait. Who knows.

I feel like it kinda takes away from the Knights of Ren. I was under the impression they were the only dark side fanatics that could use the Force a bit, and then those hooded dudes were just normal people who follow the Sith.

Lmao I wanna die over here. According to the new Vader comic, the hooded dudes in the amphitheater around Palps had lightsabers and could use the Force.

Bruh.

Why couldn’t they just be fanatics of the Sith. Leave it to Disney to mess up yet another thing.

Ngl I definitely do miss having that Palpatine line because of everything it alludes to. Influence the midichlorians to create life (Force-sensitive clones), cheating death (essence transfer).

The problem is that I also like Kylo knowing that it’s a bad idea to kill Palpatine. That threat of the power he has to possess him should be what stops Kylo from killing him.

Something tells me it was a half-assed explanation for Palpatine’s survival that they threw in there at the last second (thus why it is never mentioned again really). Then again, there are a lot of those in this movie.

Later when writing the canon material around the movie they realized it was better to go in the cloning/transfer direction. But it was already too late obviously to change stuff in the film.

Man, sometimes I wish this movie got delayed.

Knight of Kalee said:

I also want a link to this please!

Sent!

This thread is getting incredibly derailed, but I will say this: George Lucas’ original plan (supposedly) was to have Darth Maul be the big bad of the sequels. Ya know, the Sithy guy that you would think was dead without consuming canon content outside of the saga (sound familiar?) Granted, it was explained better for Maul over Palpatine, but I’d reckon just give it some time. So it sounds like either way history went, a Sith-type character from TPM would have been involved.

That being said, would it have been better if they hadn’t gone out of their way to make Snoke and Kylo specifically not Sith? Perhaps. But at the same time, I really enjoyed having Kylo be uninterested in both the Sith and the Jedi and wanting to make something new. So maybe if Palpatine was built up throughout the trilogy better it would have worked nicely.

Eh, even though that’s likely true, I don’t mind it. I like that they put him in. But maybe I’m weird like that.

I like Star Wars. What else can I say?

It definitely works for sure. But the end result would be the same with the whole essence transfer cloning shenanigans (if he went around collecting spirits).

If anything, I would imagine collecting all of those spirits would make it all the harder to find a suitable host to latch on to. And I find that to be poetic justice really, that in his greed to gain more and more power, Palpatine suddenly found out that he contained so much power that no vessel could contain him without suffering.

In fact, that is the canon answer pretty much. His transfer was imperfect to the clone body, and the body itself couldn’t contain all those spirits.

I don’t mind it being there, don’t get me wrong. I like the idea that in his spare time in the Empire Palpatine went around collecting Sith spirits from their tombs and merged them with his own for more power.

But as for that being the sole reason he is able to cheat death? Nah. It’s gotta be something he learned from Plagueis (since we know he was the only Sith able to cheat death), and since we already have the essence transfer concept in the film, why not mix that with clones. So he hops from clone to clone, draining the life out of them to survive.

But that’s just my opinion.

sherlockpotter said:

Here’s an idea - instead of Kylo being all like “Grrr…I’m a bad guy! I want to kill Palpatine and claim his power! Grrr!” What if we could make him into a kind of anti-hero?

For some reason this is always how I saw his character. I never thought he was teaming up with Palpy/Sith for anything. It confused me when people interpreted it that way. Which is why I hate the line “…and take the throne.” He clearly only cares about the fleet in the context of the rest of the movie.

Also, side note, but just about everything you described about Kylo is how I handled things in my novelization.

Alrighty, no disrespect to the almighty Poppasketti, but his custom Kylo line in Ascendant always sticks out to me like a sore thumb. I bet a first time viewer wouldn’t notice it, but knowing about it only makes it worse. Here’s what I feel is a good alternative to the original’s “I never lied to you”:

https://youtu.be/jcsLeRB5Uyk

So it would go…
Kylo: I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it. I needed you to see it. Who you are. I know the rest of your story. Rey…
Rey: You’re lying.
Kylo: I see them. Your parents were no one. They chose to be. To keep you safe.

I feel like this also helps explain why Rey all of a sudden gets visions of her parents. Kylo could be supplying some of that.

CaptainFaraday said:

I love what you’ve done with the Han scene. I’m excited to read your manuscript draft, but I’m gonna wait until after I’ve finished my own first.

Thanks! I have modified that scene slightly since that draft. I’ll have to check out yours as well when you’re done (maybe it will even give me some other ideas!) I’ve read through everything you’ve provided thus far.

Yeah I mostly threw it out there because there seems to be a belief here that essence transfer must involve a defenseless person and anger/vengeance. But clearly that isn’t necessarily true, because Palpatine was able to do it with his clones as he died on the Death Star. Otherwise he wouldn’t still be alive. I don’t give a crap about the “all the Sith live in me” hand-waving. So there is more to the ability than what is shown in the film. That’s just my head canon on it all.

Jarbear, the way I explained/understood essence transfer is as follows: essence transfer was a commonly known ability by the Sith, where you have to be killed while defenseless by a target harnessing the dark side for the transfer to succeed. But the form of essence transfer Palpatine learned is extra special, and it was originally discovered by Plagueis. I’d like to refer to it as premeditated essence transfer, where he is capable of expelling his own spirit and sending it into a dormant clone body from just about anywhere. And then obviously the Force ghosts hold his spirit in place at the end, effectively killing him.