Jar Jar Bricks

Wow! Really cool. I would appreciate a link as well. Might edit it into Restructured just for the heck of it.

RogueLeader said:

Here is the puppet show! It’s very short, but hopefully people will think it’s worth all of the effort. I’m sure I’ll need to tweak it some more, so I’m just gonna share a streamable link until it’s finalized.

https://streamable.com/h1f3ot

Also wanted to note who all contributed to this very small edit.
I may be wrong, but I believe DZ-330, Cinefy and DominicCobb all had this idea at one point or another.
Proof of Concept by Cinefy
Clean Stage Plates by poppasketti and MoviesRemastered
Puppet Designs by Captain Faraday
Alien Dub by ThisIsCreation
Produced by RogueLeader

Rogue, this is fantastic, and truly gives the ending of the movie more meaning.

Testing is definitely allowed to have his own opinion, but I think the rest of us can agree that this is a fantastic addition to the film. Truly mind-blowing that this wasn’t the way the scene played out originally.

poppasketti said:

DZ-330 said:
Would @Poppa be up for a try?

Jar Jar Bricks said:
He definitely doesn’t have to, but I would be more interested in seeing his TIE fighters placed onto the new Mustafar biomes footage.

I haven’t actually seen the new biomes shots. Was there one in particular that looked like a good match?

Yeah, pretty much the whole thing on Mustafar was good lol. It’s all Vader’s castle, so it would lead right into the forest shot you created.

DZ-330 said:

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Hello, unfortunately the VFX shots won’t be finished for a long time as have I more obligations and stuff in my personal life, so I guess we should move that to a V3 of TROS:A.

Would @Poppa be up for a try?

He definitely doesn’t have to, but I would be more interested in seeing his TIE fighters placed onto the new Mustafar biomes footage.

Neerb said:

I think it would be odd for a mere captain to be at the board meeting, seated right across from an allegiant general. And I think Hux has plenty of motivation from 7 and 8 to hate Kylo (not that he even liked him in the first place).

I had this thought as well. The board meeting is supposed to be comprised of executive officers. But I suppose Hux could be forced to tag along on these meetings. As in, he’s a captain in name only.

sade1212 said:

Personally I really liked the theme of balance being something has to be actively maintained. That’s how things tend to be in the real world, after all, and Star Wars is all about vaguely applicable moral lessons. The importance of keeping up the work of previous generations - and if possible, surpassing it - lest you forget the lessons of the past is one of the things the sequels manage to convey (especially in TLJ) I think.

Agreed. It would be a shame to remove Anakin’s line. It’s there to signify that he was in fact the chosen one, but due to the unforeseen and unnatural abilities of Palpatine the will of the Force was delayed.

I just looked at the script. That’s the only time Hux’s rank is mentioned. So it would simply be an adjustment to Kylo’s line there. Sounds easy enough to me. Kylo says “captain” all the time in the lego lines, as mentioned previously.

That idea is canon to a lesser extent. Essentially, Pryde was promoted to the rank above Hux on purpose by Kylo. To shame him. But making him a Captain would really rub salt in the wound. I like it.

TestingOutTheTest said:

From the films one can infer that Sith essence transfer works in the sense that your spirit/essence inherently leaves your original body that is killed by specifically another Force sensitive and your spirit/essence goes to, for example, Palpatine’s clone body or Rey’s or Ben’s body 'cause you will it to, Palps knows where those are specifically.

I disagree with the inference, but whatever. Palps says, “Kill me and my spirit will pass into you.” Not “my spirit will pass into my clone”.

Okay… but from what we know about regular essence transfer it’s made quite clear that there are only 2 options:

1. Possess the person that killed you
2. Or die forever

That is why I’ll always advocate for the Plagueis theory. That he learned a secret that allows him to premeditatedly prepare to expel his own spirit at any point. Again, I have to mention that the novelization makes it clear he somehow possessed a clone before his original body was even killed.

TestingOutTheTest said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I have to admit I agree with Testing here. The reason Palp’s goes with clones is because their free will can easily be manipulated. He might even be able to will his spirit into them without any killing involved since they’re just a copy of his body. Also, I’m not even sure that there were many powerful Force users left in the galaxy. He resorted to clones as a failsafe in case he dies somehow when Luke denies his request.

I feel as though I disagree with this one. Judging by inferences from the actual movie, Sith essence transfer only works if another Force-sensitive kills him (whereas Darth Vader threw him into the shaft, Rey reflected his lightning at his face - he essentially committed suicide).

Wouldn’t Vader have been possessed then? Just sayin’, I’ve meticulously thought through all of these things and I’ve come to the most reasonable conclusions. In fact, the unaltered novelization makes it a point that Palpatine expelled his spirit before he even died from the fall. Which means there definitely wasn’t any killing involved. It was something more premeditated, which he can activate with his own will at any point. Which in my own novelization I made it be a secret he learned from Plagueis.

I have to admit I agree with Testing here. The reason Palp’s goes with clones is because their free will can easily be manipulated. He might even be able to will his spirit into them without any killing involved since they’re just a copy of his body. Also, I’m not even sure that there were many powerful Force users left in the galaxy. He resorted to clones as a failsafe in case he dies somehow when Luke denies his request.

Burbin said:

Also I really like changing Kylo’s line to “we can stop Palpatine” -

sherlockpotter said:

So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i

It actually makes it sound like Kylo is against him, against the Sith (which is what we want). We’re told killing Palpatine results in Sith spirit transfer, and we learn later Palpatine wants to be killed, so saying “we’ll kill him” doesn’t explicitly mean he’s working against him. Changing this line would avoid any confusion, it makes it very clear Kylo doesn’t want to play into Palpatine’s hands, he wants to stop whatever he’s planning (and take over his fleet).

It’s also a more seductive way to present it to Rey, who set out on her mission “to stop what we both know is coming…”. It makes it sound almost reasonable to join forces with the Supreme Leader to stop the return of the Sith, instead of the original’s “let’s become super evil together, you know what you need to do”.

How about everyone here praises this line until Hal accepts it? Lol.

TestingOutTheTest said:

I just want to address something about the pitched edit of removing the mention of Rey having a vision of both herself and Kylo Ren on the Sith throne. She didn’t have that specific vision at the beginning of the movie, she only had it when she touched the dagger on Pasaana.

It’s not shown on screen, and therefore is irrelevant. When Rey says she had a vision, the audience instantly should think of the one from the beginning of the movie since, ya know, it was shown. In fact, there is no proof that they ever recorded footage of both Rey and Kylo on the throne. So tbh, I’m not even sure what they were smoking when they wrote that line for Rey.

sherlockpotter said:

So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i

Man, I love this. Maybe he doesn’t even know how they’ll stop Palpatine yet (essence transfer crap), but he wants to try it with her.

Sounds good. I’ll just have to head canon an explanation for how they can kill him together 😃

I’m assuming that you are also removing the “and” from Rey’s “and me” as well?

Hal 9000 said:

After all, when they do team up they do seem poised to try it anyway.

The difference is that they were going to do it as Jedi. To quote Palpatine, “Your hatred, your anger, you want to kill me. That is what I want.” That seems to be the requirement for transfer, one which they might fall under as Kylo and Rey standing side-by-side rather than Ben and Rey.

Regardless, removing Kylo’s fixation with becoming a Sith is more than enough for me.

Hal 9000 said:

Mmm, yeah, while not required, snipping the portion of the line in the hangar about “taking the throne” together could be good.

At that rate, you might as well scrub that whole line since Kylo already heard the whole “Kill me, and my spirit will pass into you” stuff. Not that he doesn’t want to kill Palpatine, but maybe he is aware of some way to defeat him without getting possessed (ie magical dyad powa).

The line replacement I liked went something like “Together, nothing will stand in our way.”

Hal 9000 said:

DZ-330 said:

RogueLeader said:

I couldn’t find it so I did it myself real quick (maybe I did this on my own originally…)

https://streamable.com/2v2dd0

“And” being cut might be noticeable to some who are aware of the change, but I honestly believe your hypothetical first time viewer, or people who just haven’t seen the movie since release, wouldn’t even notice this change. I moved “Me” up a few frames earlier, and I think the slight shift helps sell it as well.

I like how Finn assumes it’s Ren with such conviction, only to be left not knowing what to say after Rey says it was her. I think this is the simplest way to handle it.

Cross-posting from the general thread, Hal would you consider this for a change in V2?

Idk, I guess it’s all right with me, but has anyone dissented?

Not that I’ve seen. Everyone has been ecstatic about it. It makes the vision worse for her because not even Kylo is seen on the throne (who we know is pretty messed up).

Also…

Burbin said:

Remember that the final conflict in the film is Rey alone being tempted to take the throne, while Ben has already had his redemption. So her vision of “Kylo and me on the Throne” would’ve already been negated the moment Kylo turns to the light. It makes so much more sense for Rey’s vision to only be about herself on the throne, then by the end it would actually seem like the vision might become reality.

To add to that, that change is receiving universal praise because of how subtle and yet effective it is. If that changes your mind in any way, Hal.

dgraham414 said:

Wow, I really couldn’t tell that “and” was supposed to be there. It just looks like she’s opening her mouth! This is such a great subtle change.

I agree. Even if you weren’t trying to overhaul Kylo’s character it’s a straight-up improvement over the original. Because now it’s like this: even the father-killing bad guy wasn’t “bad” enough to be on the throne. But Rey was. That hits hard.

Too bad Hal isn’t interested.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Really wish “All the Sith” line was still in there though.

Agreed. If we’re going to keep “As all the Sith live in me” might as well include this as well.

RogueLeader said:

Some already made a version of that scene where Rey just says “Me.” All you have to do is to snip “And” from the audio channel it’s on. And you don’t even have to change her mouth movements at all. It just looks like she is opening her mouth to talk.

Do you know where this is available perhaps? For some reason I had a hard time separating them.

All of that is impossible for me to do, unfortunately. In fact, I struggled to even create that, which is what I think you’re “feeling”. My editing software loves creating audio pops and visual anomalies when splicing thing together.

Besides that, I’m not sure I agree that the line is felt when absent. Maybe it’s because you’re expecting it. On text at least, it makes sense.

“I had a vision. Of the throne of the Sith. And who was on it. And me.”

So Rey currently claims with Finn that she saw both Kylo and herself on the Sith throne in her vision. This is wrong. Only Rey is seen on the throne in both the theatrical release and Ascendant. And the vision in Ascendant, in my interpretation, represents the two dark paths she could end up on (either with Kylo or the Sith).

Luckily this can be corrected by simply removing Finn’s line: “Ren?”

https://youtu.be/9NRD_G2N5lI

The only other thing that would need to be done to undo Kylo’s character regression would be to replace his line “We’ll kill him, and take the throne.” I’m still having trouble finding a suitable replacement for that.