Jar Jar Bricks

Knight of Kalee said:

Cadavra said:

Further, removing the dialogue doesn’t solve the problem of gathering such a large force so quickly. You would need added scenes to do that.

To clarify, I’m not proposing a better justification for assembling the fleet so quickly. I’m proposing eliminating the very idea that the fleet was assembled so quickly to begin with, but rather that it was already assembled by the time TROS begins. Poe’s lines are a hurdle to this change because, as one of the Resistance’s top leaders (and THE co-General by the time of the final battle), he would presumably have some idea of the fleet’s actual size.

Yeah, this make sense. I honestly expected Lando or Poe would transmit an inspiring message to the worlds much like Ezra or Mon Mothma did in Rebels, asking them to meet Lando at some kind of rendezvous point. Not saying all the people in the galaxy wouldn’t be instantly swayed by Lando’s charm but it feels a bit of a reach to think the Falcon visited the systems one by one (considering most of them were also besieged by First Order forces) in such a short span.

This is the canon answer. He went in person to a few places but he beamed an inspirational message to the rest.

Cadavra said:

Apologies if this has been discussed already, but has any consideration been given to removing the implication that Lando and Chewie somehow managed to assemble the largest fleet we’ve ever seen, in a couple hours at most, in what the film strongly suggests is a 180-degree reversal of the dominant mood of the galaxy? Personally, I consider that and the dagger compass (which has already been brilliantly fixed in Ascendant) to be the two most logic- and suspension-of-disbelief-breaking moments in the entire Saga.

It seems to me that some dialogue cuts (ending Poe and Zorii’s heart-to-heart before the talk about thinking they’re alone/everyone giving up; then during the mission briefing scene cutting from Lando’s “That’s our chance” straight to the preparation montage & Finn’s “Leia never gave up…”) would be all it would take to let the audience infer that the fleet is the culmination of both the Resistance’s recruitment efforts in the year between TLJ & TROS and Luke’s sacrifice inspiring the galaxy (which of course Ascendant already strengthens in multiple ways), instead of something miraculously assembled at the last minute.

We are trying to fix this through the Luke puppet show, among other things. I’m not sure how removing that dialogue would do anything helpful. If anything, it would make it come out of nowhere more imo.

My understanding of it was that relying too much on what other people think about you is bad. Rey knows she has a good heart, and that’s all that matters in the end. You can’t let other people tell you who you are. Only you know that.

The final challenge Rey faces before fully accepting that idea is Palpatine claiming that if she kills him her friends will be saved and they’ll all praise her for it. But she rejects his offer, counting on Ben and her other friends to help save the day instead (which is wiser, and relies less on what she would get out of the victory).

No, she is. I really leaned into it throughout the rest of the novelization. How much she worries about what other people think about her.

But this is after Luke has taught her that the value of a person comes from their heart. So when she goes to Exegol she is a changed person, just like Ben.

I will say that I made the Skywalker saber call out to Ben alone because I needed to explain why Rey was unable to heal it (since she clearly does a good job with the snake and Kylo). So unfortunately it wouldn’t have to do with worth when she calls Luke’s saber. Instead, Rey isn’t concerned by the fact that the lightsaber doesn’t accept her, which I think is much more relevant to Rey relying less on validation.

Here’s what I came up with instead, using mostly the same lines as the original script:

“I am all the Sith!” he yelled, his attack intensifying. “A scavenger girl is no match for the power in me. You are nothing!”

Amazing. Every word of what he just said was wrong. He was alone. He was weak. He was nothing. He would never know friendship or love.

“No,” she said, reaching for more strength, for Luke’s lightsaber. It clicked into her hand. “I’m a Jedi!”

EDIT: Yes, the resemblance to Harry and Voldemort’s conversation in Phoenix was intentional haha

Movies Remastered said:

Testingout, Jar jar and a few others were the reason I unfollowed this thread and stopped working on other people’s edits.

Don’t appreciate having my name right next to his after what he just pulled, but whatever. I’d say there is a pretty significant difference between the two of us.

That’s all I’ll say.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

I’d love to get a copy of this!

I’ll be sure to send it to you when it’s ready. Probably next weekend.

Quick question: should I have Rey say “I’m a Jedi” instead of “All the Jedi?” You have to keep in mind that the novelization really builds up how the Jedi of the past are within her at that moment, which is why I’m unsure.

sherlockpotter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

DZ-330 said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

wonders if the mods are watching so he can be blocked from this thread

JJ needs to take the L and go.

You know, I’m just going to keep on calling you that because of how much it seems to bug you.

And here I thought RL’s puppet show was the most amazing thing I’d see in this thread… lol

EDIT: What a perfect first post for Page 500. Page 500! Wow…I don’t know if that’s impressive or terrifying.

Yeah I was just trying to calm people down a bit lol. I agree with MR here.

I’m taking more of a back seat now that things are mostly locked in place.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

DZ-330 said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

wonders if the mods are watching so he can be blocked from this thread

JJ needs to take the L and go.

You know, I’m just going to keep on calling you that because of how much it seems to bug you.

I just finished reading through the entire novelization and made a few adjustments throughout. Overall, I feel like it’s in a good place for a v1 release. I can’t say that for sure, though, as I didn’t read it out loud. Regardless, I’ll likely prep for release within the next week or so.

I’ll probably release a v2 once Captain Faraday reads through it all. That will likely be by the end of the year. Until then, I’m putting my sights on the TLJ novelization.

RogueLeader said:

While I was playing around with the two shot idea (I think it’s going to work!) I did notice that we do see the puppet stage from a side angle two more times after Rey kneels down to speak to the alien girl.

The first one would be easy enough to crop, I think. I’m debating if that second shot is worth messing with. The yellow alien entering left of frame walks past it, so you only see the stage for two or three seconds. I could try covering the gold thing with the walker puppet, but you could argue they’ve had a set change since they started talking. What do you guys think?

Yeah I don’t think it’s worth putting any effort into those shots. This movie already has glaring continuity errors, and you would probably need to zoom in on those images to see anything. Even at that, I doubt anything would be there that would break the continuity much. Like someone else said, it could just be a new scene.

Wow! Really cool. I would appreciate a link as well. Might edit it into Restructured just for the heck of it.

RogueLeader said:

Here is the puppet show! It’s very short, but hopefully people will think it’s worth all of the effort. I’m sure I’ll need to tweak it some more, so I’m just gonna share a streamable link until it’s finalized.

https://streamable.com/h1f3ot

Also wanted to note who all contributed to this very small edit.
I may be wrong, but I believe DZ-330, Cinefy and DominicCobb all had this idea at one point or another.
Proof of Concept by Cinefy
Clean Stage Plates by poppasketti and MoviesRemastered
Puppet Designs by Captain Faraday
Alien Dub by ThisIsCreation
Produced by RogueLeader

Rogue, this is fantastic, and truly gives the ending of the movie more meaning.

Testing is definitely allowed to have his own opinion, but I think the rest of us can agree that this is a fantastic addition to the film. Truly mind-blowing that this wasn’t the way the scene played out originally.

poppasketti said:

DZ-330 said:
Would @Poppa be up for a try?

Jar Jar Bricks said:
He definitely doesn’t have to, but I would be more interested in seeing his TIE fighters placed onto the new Mustafar biomes footage.

I haven’t actually seen the new biomes shots. Was there one in particular that looked like a good match?

Yeah, pretty much the whole thing on Mustafar was good lol. It’s all Vader’s castle, so it would lead right into the forest shot you created.

DZ-330 said:

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Hello, unfortunately the VFX shots won’t be finished for a long time as have I more obligations and stuff in my personal life, so I guess we should move that to a V3 of TROS:A.

Would @Poppa be up for a try?

He definitely doesn’t have to, but I would be more interested in seeing his TIE fighters placed onto the new Mustafar biomes footage.

Neerb said:

I think it would be odd for a mere captain to be at the board meeting, seated right across from an allegiant general. And I think Hux has plenty of motivation from 7 and 8 to hate Kylo (not that he even liked him in the first place).

I had this thought as well. The board meeting is supposed to be comprised of executive officers. But I suppose Hux could be forced to tag along on these meetings. As in, he’s a captain in name only.

sade1212 said:

Personally I really liked the theme of balance being something has to be actively maintained. That’s how things tend to be in the real world, after all, and Star Wars is all about vaguely applicable moral lessons. The importance of keeping up the work of previous generations - and if possible, surpassing it - lest you forget the lessons of the past is one of the things the sequels manage to convey (especially in TLJ) I think.

Agreed. It would be a shame to remove Anakin’s line. It’s there to signify that he was in fact the chosen one, but due to the unforeseen and unnatural abilities of Palpatine the will of the Force was delayed.

I just looked at the script. That’s the only time Hux’s rank is mentioned. So it would simply be an adjustment to Kylo’s line there. Sounds easy enough to me. Kylo says “captain” all the time in the lego lines, as mentioned previously.

That idea is canon to a lesser extent. Essentially, Pryde was promoted to the rank above Hux on purpose by Kylo. To shame him. But making him a Captain would really rub salt in the wound. I like it.

TestingOutTheTest said:

From the films one can infer that Sith essence transfer works in the sense that your spirit/essence inherently leaves your original body that is killed by specifically another Force sensitive and your spirit/essence goes to, for example, Palpatine’s clone body or Rey’s or Ben’s body 'cause you will it to, Palps knows where those are specifically.

I disagree with the inference, but whatever. Palps says, “Kill me and my spirit will pass into you.” Not “my spirit will pass into my clone”.

Okay… but from what we know about regular essence transfer it’s made quite clear that there are only 2 options:

1. Possess the person that killed you
2. Or die forever

That is why I’ll always advocate for the Plagueis theory. That he learned a secret that allows him to premeditatedly prepare to expel his own spirit at any point. Again, I have to mention that the novelization makes it clear he somehow possessed a clone before his original body was even killed.

TestingOutTheTest said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I have to admit I agree with Testing here. The reason Palp’s goes with clones is because their free will can easily be manipulated. He might even be able to will his spirit into them without any killing involved since they’re just a copy of his body. Also, I’m not even sure that there were many powerful Force users left in the galaxy. He resorted to clones as a failsafe in case he dies somehow when Luke denies his request.

I feel as though I disagree with this one. Judging by inferences from the actual movie, Sith essence transfer only works if another Force-sensitive kills him (whereas Darth Vader threw him into the shaft, Rey reflected his lightning at his face - he essentially committed suicide).

Wouldn’t Vader have been possessed then? Just sayin’, I’ve meticulously thought through all of these things and I’ve come to the most reasonable conclusions. In fact, the unaltered novelization makes it a point that Palpatine expelled his spirit before he even died from the fall. Which means there definitely wasn’t any killing involved. It was something more premeditated, which he can activate with his own will at any point. Which in my own novelization I made it be a secret he learned from Plagueis.

I have to admit I agree with Testing here. The reason Palp’s goes with clones is because their free will can easily be manipulated. He might even be able to will his spirit into them without any killing involved since they’re just a copy of his body. Also, I’m not even sure that there were many powerful Force users left in the galaxy. He resorted to clones as a failsafe in case he dies somehow when Luke denies his request.

Burbin said:

Also I really like changing Kylo’s line to “we can stop Palpatine” -

sherlockpotter said:

So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i

It actually makes it sound like Kylo is against him, against the Sith (which is what we want). We’re told killing Palpatine results in Sith spirit transfer, and we learn later Palpatine wants to be killed, so saying “we’ll kill him” doesn’t explicitly mean he’s working against him. Changing this line would avoid any confusion, it makes it very clear Kylo doesn’t want to play into Palpatine’s hands, he wants to stop whatever he’s planning (and take over his fleet).

It’s also a more seductive way to present it to Rey, who set out on her mission “to stop what we both know is coming…”. It makes it sound almost reasonable to join forces with the Supreme Leader to stop the return of the Sith, instead of the original’s “let’s become super evil together, you know what you need to do”.

How about everyone here praises this line until Hal accepts it? Lol.

TestingOutTheTest said:

I just want to address something about the pitched edit of removing the mention of Rey having a vision of both herself and Kylo Ren on the Sith throne. She didn’t have that specific vision at the beginning of the movie, she only had it when she touched the dagger on Pasaana.

It’s not shown on screen, and therefore is irrelevant. When Rey says she had a vision, the audience instantly should think of the one from the beginning of the movie since, ya know, it was shown. In fact, there is no proof that they ever recorded footage of both Rey and Kylo on the throne. So tbh, I’m not even sure what they were smoking when they wrote that line for Rey.