Jar Jar Bricks

Hal 9000 said:

Just to be clear, because I do plan to give it a try, you mean the sound he makes while making that spin lunge at the group of four Jedi?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_XWomD6TazQ

Yeah that’s the one they’re talking about.

I’m not entirely sure about doing that, because the scream was meant to be imposing and fear-inducing. If we included the same scream with his death, that’s kinda the opposite I feel like.

I also agree with Burbin.

NeverarGreat said:

Oh yeah, I’m basically just taking Restructured’s changes for the end of the film. Thanks for pointing that out 😃

Sweet! After reading through the change log I’m really enjoying what else you’ve done here. Could I have a link as well?

Sorry about the double post, but in the standard edition I don’t see any plans for the following changes from Restructured:

“Color corrected Ach-to to bring it a little closer to the corresponding scene’s lighting and weather conditions in The Last Jedi.
Added a few subtle porg sounds to the background, replacing two native bird sounds”

Are those still going to be included or are you opting out of those?

Before the new Falcon footage I would have said keep the child laughter. But yeah, it works fantastic as-is. Lots of time for you to realize what he’s thinking about.

RogueLeader said:

Here are a few things.

Puppet Show (3rd Pass):
https://vimeo.com/555049417

Mustafar:
https://vimeo.com/555122074

Captain Hux:
https://vimeo.com/555127774

All 3 are perfect imo. Obviously the Mustafar shot would have to be shortened a bit to fit in with our current sequence but other than that it’s great.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

What’s wrong with Ben’s “ow” being his final line?

… Ok, now you’re just bleeping with us.

Nah, he’s being genuine I’m pretty sure lol.

Hal 9000 said:

NeverarGreat said:
Though you might want to avoid watching this edit when it’s done unless you are resigned to port more changes to Restructured 😉

I take this warning seriously.

Definitely have to agree with Nev’s comment. Seeing this just makes me want this scene in Restructured lol. Nicely done Nev.

The novelization had his last line be in Rey’s head after he dies: “Noones ever really gone.” Not only is it a nice callback to Luke, but it also explains why Rey suddenly looks happy as she’s flying away in her X-wing.

Too bad he never said that anywhere.

Hal 9000 said:

I’m looney to be thinking this, but would it be easy to make his saber green instead? Could be a subtle way to suggest the events tapped into the existing mythicism surrounding Luke, as people conflate it with his presumably famous green saber.

Just an idea, not even a suggestion! I really love the way this looks. I never knew TROS would give us something this nice.

Faraday did that in his novelization. I opted for the blue saber myself.

I suppose there isn’t a correct answer there, but I went with blue because the green one never shows up in the movie (except the flashback). Rey is wielding the blue one, so it has more meaning imo.

RogueLeader said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Knight of Kalee said:

Cadavra said:

Further, removing the dialogue doesn’t solve the problem of gathering such a large force so quickly. You would need added scenes to do that.

To clarify, I’m not proposing a better justification for assembling the fleet so quickly. I’m proposing eliminating the very idea that the fleet was assembled so quickly to begin with, but rather that it was already assembled by the time TROS begins. Poe’s lines are a hurdle to this change because, as one of the Resistance’s top leaders (and THE co-General by the time of the final battle), he would presumably have some idea of the fleet’s actual size.

Yeah, this make sense. I honestly expected Lando or Poe would transmit an inspiring message to the worlds much like Ezra or Mon Mothma did in Rebels, asking them to meet Lando at some kind of rendezvous point. Not saying all the people in the galaxy wouldn’t be instantly swayed by Lando’s charm but it feels a bit of a reach to think the Falcon visited the systems one by one (considering most of them were also besieged by First Order forces) in such a short span.

This is the canon answer. He went in person to a few places but he beamed an inspirational message to the rest.

But, I do think the new crawl helps get the idea across that people are rebelling across the galaxy now. I think cutting Poe’s line, “They’ve given up” could potentially help. I mean, if we’re recontextualizing Kijimi to be in the middle of a revolt, it might come off as weird for Poe to say “they’ve given up” when they’re literally watching explosions in the distant streets. So the conversation could go from “Everyone is so afraid” to “Hey, they win by making us think we’re alone…”

For what it’s worth, I interpreted his “everyone is so afraid” as people being out for themselves and not wanting to officially join the Resistance.

Which in the end, he was partially right. Everyone came together, but it wasn’t under the banner of the Resistance, but the galaxy as a whole.

RogueLeader said:

Here is the two-shot test for the puppet show. I made a few changes but I’ll wait and see what people notice. Let me know what y’all think.

https://vimeo.com/554491835

I think it’s perfect. Flawless execution.

Knight of Kalee said:

Cadavra said:

Further, removing the dialogue doesn’t solve the problem of gathering such a large force so quickly. You would need added scenes to do that.

To clarify, I’m not proposing a better justification for assembling the fleet so quickly. I’m proposing eliminating the very idea that the fleet was assembled so quickly to begin with, but rather that it was already assembled by the time TROS begins. Poe’s lines are a hurdle to this change because, as one of the Resistance’s top leaders (and THE co-General by the time of the final battle), he would presumably have some idea of the fleet’s actual size.

Yeah, this make sense. I honestly expected Lando or Poe would transmit an inspiring message to the worlds much like Ezra or Mon Mothma did in Rebels, asking them to meet Lando at some kind of rendezvous point. Not saying all the people in the galaxy wouldn’t be instantly swayed by Lando’s charm but it feels a bit of a reach to think the Falcon visited the systems one by one (considering most of them were also besieged by First Order forces) in such a short span.

This is the canon answer. He went in person to a few places but he beamed an inspirational message to the rest.

Cadavra said:

Apologies if this has been discussed already, but has any consideration been given to removing the implication that Lando and Chewie somehow managed to assemble the largest fleet we’ve ever seen, in a couple hours at most, in what the film strongly suggests is a 180-degree reversal of the dominant mood of the galaxy? Personally, I consider that and the dagger compass (which has already been brilliantly fixed in Ascendant) to be the two most logic- and suspension-of-disbelief-breaking moments in the entire Saga.

It seems to me that some dialogue cuts (ending Poe and Zorii’s heart-to-heart before the talk about thinking they’re alone/everyone giving up; then during the mission briefing scene cutting from Lando’s “That’s our chance” straight to the preparation montage & Finn’s “Leia never gave up…”) would be all it would take to let the audience infer that the fleet is the culmination of both the Resistance’s recruitment efforts in the year between TLJ & TROS and Luke’s sacrifice inspiring the galaxy (which of course Ascendant already strengthens in multiple ways), instead of something miraculously assembled at the last minute.

We are trying to fix this through the Luke puppet show, among other things. I’m not sure how removing that dialogue would do anything helpful. If anything, it would make it come out of nowhere more imo.

My understanding of it was that relying too much on what other people think about you is bad. Rey knows she has a good heart, and that’s all that matters in the end. You can’t let other people tell you who you are. Only you know that.

The final challenge Rey faces before fully accepting that idea is Palpatine claiming that if she kills him her friends will be saved and they’ll all praise her for it. But she rejects his offer, counting on Ben and her other friends to help save the day instead (which is wiser, and relies less on what she would get out of the victory).

No, she is. I really leaned into it throughout the rest of the novelization. How much she worries about what other people think about her.

But this is after Luke has taught her that the value of a person comes from their heart. So when she goes to Exegol she is a changed person, just like Ben.

I will say that I made the Skywalker saber call out to Ben alone because I needed to explain why Rey was unable to heal it (since she clearly does a good job with the snake and Kylo). So unfortunately it wouldn’t have to do with worth when she calls Luke’s saber. Instead, Rey isn’t concerned by the fact that the lightsaber doesn’t accept her, which I think is much more relevant to Rey relying less on validation.

Here’s what I came up with instead, using mostly the same lines as the original script:

“I am all the Sith!” he yelled, his attack intensifying. “A scavenger girl is no match for the power in me. You are nothing!”

Amazing. Every word of what he just said was wrong. He was alone. He was weak. He was nothing. He would never know friendship or love.

“No,” she said, reaching for more strength, for Luke’s lightsaber. It clicked into her hand. “I’m a Jedi!”

EDIT: Yes, the resemblance to Harry and Voldemort’s conversation in Phoenix was intentional haha

Movies Remastered said:

Testingout, Jar jar and a few others were the reason I unfollowed this thread and stopped working on other people’s edits.

Don’t appreciate having my name right next to his after what he just pulled, but whatever. I’d say there is a pretty significant difference between the two of us.

That’s all I’ll say.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

I’d love to get a copy of this!

I’ll be sure to send it to you when it’s ready. Probably next weekend.

Quick question: should I have Rey say “I’m a Jedi” instead of “All the Jedi?” You have to keep in mind that the novelization really builds up how the Jedi of the past are within her at that moment, which is why I’m unsure.

sherlockpotter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

DZ-330 said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

wonders if the mods are watching so he can be blocked from this thread

JJ needs to take the L and go.

You know, I’m just going to keep on calling you that because of how much it seems to bug you.

And here I thought RL’s puppet show was the most amazing thing I’d see in this thread… lol

EDIT: What a perfect first post for Page 500. Page 500! Wow…I don’t know if that’s impressive or terrifying.

Yeah I was just trying to calm people down a bit lol. I agree with MR here.

I’m taking more of a back seat now that things are mostly locked in place.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

DZ-330 said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

wonders if the mods are watching so he can be blocked from this thread

JJ needs to take the L and go.

You know, I’m just going to keep on calling you that because of how much it seems to bug you.

I just finished reading through the entire novelization and made a few adjustments throughout. Overall, I feel like it’s in a good place for a v1 release. I can’t say that for sure, though, as I didn’t read it out loud. Regardless, I’ll likely prep for release within the next week or so.

I’ll probably release a v2 once Captain Faraday reads through it all. That will likely be by the end of the year. Until then, I’m putting my sights on the TLJ novelization.

RogueLeader said:

While I was playing around with the two shot idea (I think it’s going to work!) I did notice that we do see the puppet stage from a side angle two more times after Rey kneels down to speak to the alien girl.

The first one would be easy enough to crop, I think. I’m debating if that second shot is worth messing with. The yellow alien entering left of frame walks past it, so you only see the stage for two or three seconds. I could try covering the gold thing with the walker puppet, but you could argue they’ve had a set change since they started talking. What do you guys think?

Yeah I don’t think it’s worth putting any effort into those shots. This movie already has glaring continuity errors, and you would probably need to zoom in on those images to see anything. Even at that, I doubt anything would be there that would break the continuity much. Like someone else said, it could just be a new scene.

Wow! Really cool. I would appreciate a link as well. Might edit it into Restructured just for the heck of it.

RogueLeader said:

Here is the puppet show! It’s very short, but hopefully people will think it’s worth all of the effort. I’m sure I’ll need to tweak it some more, so I’m just gonna share a streamable link until it’s finalized.

https://streamable.com/h1f3ot

Also wanted to note who all contributed to this very small edit.
I may be wrong, but I believe DZ-330, Cinefy and DominicCobb all had this idea at one point or another.
Proof of Concept by Cinefy
Clean Stage Plates by poppasketti and MoviesRemastered
Puppet Designs by Captain Faraday
Alien Dub by ThisIsCreation
Produced by RogueLeader

Rogue, this is fantastic, and truly gives the ending of the movie more meaning.

Testing is definitely allowed to have his own opinion, but I think the rest of us can agree that this is a fantastic addition to the film. Truly mind-blowing that this wasn’t the way the scene played out originally.