I’ll say that’s one of the more-impressive AI voices I’ve ever heard, but I’m wondering if it’ll get the inflection necessary for a line like that.
That’s what I was thinking. But at the same time, it’s a pretty simple sentence, so I feel like the AI might be able to pull it off.
Yeah I’d like to hear Ben say “Noones ever really gone” just after he dies like in the novel. That’s some impressive stuff.
Is that a travel case? I was under the impression that it was a preservation chamber.
That would be very possible if it were a simple zoom or panning shot, unfortunately it’s much more complicated so significant castle damage would probably have to be modeled in 3d and tracked onto the existing shot. Needless to say it’s a bit beyond my capabilities.
A thought I had was potentially just tracking some cracked/crumbly textures onto it, so at least it doesn’t look so pristine.
Yup, that would be better than nothing.
Even if it doesn’t pan out, no biggie. It’s clear that cultists have been living in the area for some time since they grew an entire forest, so we can always create our own canon in which they were the “caretakers” of Vader’s castle if you will.
Have to agree with Sherlock for once. I think we should stick with Luke Skywalker being the mythical figure that inspires the galaxy (since it’s a continuation of the previous film).
I’m interested in seeing how it would look without English; I’m just saying - I think we need to consider what’s best for a first-time viewer, rather than what we might “personally,” aesthetically, prefer. The most important thing is that the message comes through to the audience, and I can’t imagine many folks out there know how to read Aurebesh.
And Jar Jar, English was in the very first Star Wars movie, as I pointed out in my clip above. So it’s definitely a canon language. (And again, I think clarity is the most important aspect here; there’s no point of adding all of this if it’s unintelligible to the audience. That would look like a fan edit.)
It’s not a canon language (at least based on what is seen purely in the intended films). It was replaced because GL realized that it shouldn’t be there. One of the few things the special editions did right.
Besides, I’m not saying that we should just put aurebesh there. Yeah, that would be unintelligible and stupid. It should be that plus an image. The image is the real meat of it. I agree with everyone else that the right picture can tell a thousand words.
Just wanted to chip in by saying that plain English text is a bad idea (mostly because it’s not seen anywhere else throughout the saga). Would be pretty immersion breaking, and scream, “This is a fan edit!”.
Theoretically, you should be able to glean everything you need to know from the graffiti art. So maybe Luke with the blue lightsaber or a man in front of a walker like what was suggested elsewhere.
Hal, you might as well add Sherlock’s Poe line change to the list of things that would need to be changed to accommodate the dagger stuff. Otherwise it would be quite hilarious if even the characters don’t know why they need the dagger again.
Just sent the auralnauts a cordial message asking if they’d be at all interested.
It seems like if we did redub 3PO, it would open the question of how Kylo knew to go to Endor. Although, honestly… it’s hard to care too much about it anyway. The film doesn’t answer this other than allowing one to guess Kylo also had it translated. It does, however, establish then and there that Kylo “know[s] where she’s going” at least. That would be missing from this cut. It seems like the cost for reinstating it here would be to also reinstate the premature reveal that Chewie is alive.
Another issue is that 3PO translating the inscription doesn’t give the characters any solid information. In the theatrical, it provided important information and the heroes had to have both that knowledge and the blade itself. In this proposed plot revision, they would essentially only learn that they… need to get the blade back. All they’d learn is that Rey needs to tap into darkness somehow. Feels a little muddy.
It does seem like this muddies the movie more than it cleans it up. Personally, I’d just accept the doofy Goonies-style treasure clues as a cheesy but essential element of the movie and leave that portion relatively intact, because much of the movie is structured around them.
No kidding. Nobody says “well now we have to get the dagger back” after 3PO’s message plays (in fact, they seem more happy about the message than anything since Babu celebrates). Furthermore, Finn even questions why Rey is heading off to explore the ship by saying “Chewie is this way.” Never at one point do the characters say “go look for the dagger.” It’s always “We’re coming, Chewie” and “go save your friend”.
It’s honestly quite mind-boggling how much this movie relies on the dagger giving an exact answer.
Does Babu give a frak that the Wayfinder is on Endor? I thought he just cheers because his hack worked.
And all you’d need to do is swap in some new Poe dialogue. From:
Rey: We need the dagger.
Poe: Why?
Rey: A feeling.To:
Rey: We need the dagger.
Poe: You know where?
Rey: A feeling.Like I’ve said, I just don’t see how the dagger translation not explicitly telling them what to do is more contrived than an ancient Sith Artifact listing the exact coordinates of the 30-year-old Death Star.
Except Poe’s line is said on screen. So it’s highly unlikely that would end up looking right.
I just think it’s a whole lot of trouble and removal of stuff for absolutely nothing of value in return. Clearly I’m not bothered as much by all the intricacies of the dagger. In the context of the film itself, it’s only referred to as Ochi’s dagger, so it’s not ancient necessarily for the average viewer. And even if it is ancient, I’m willing to head cannon an easy answer as for why that is on there, such as that he wanted to engrave something cool onto it in Sith.
All I know is that I’ll definitely have to create v1.5 of Ascendant if this ends up going through in the end. Will probably have plenty of audio pops, but ah well. Worth it to avoid the murkiness of all this (and don’t get me started on why again! lol)
You know, with all this Lando talk… Is there anyway to incorporate that “Come on Chewy… One last time.” scene that I think was definitely in the BTS material and might have been in a TV Spot?
Unfortunately there were lots of cameras and stuff in that scene. Somebody would have to do some insane VFX/cropping.
Also, it’s “You said it, Chewie.” So that kinda implies we’re missing a Chewie growl beforehand. I suppose one could edit that in.
EDIT: Actually that might be in the BTS clip already. Haven’t seen it in a while.
Just sent the auralnauts a cordial message asking if they’d be at all interested.
It seems like if we did redub 3PO, it would open the question of how Kylo knew to go to Endor. Although, honestly… it’s hard to care too much about it anyway. The film doesn’t answer this other than allowing one to guess Kylo also had it translated. It does, however, establish then and there that Kylo “know[s] where she’s going” at least. That would be missing from this cut. It seems like the cost for reinstating it here would be to also reinstate the premature reveal that Chewie is alive.
Another issue is that 3PO translating the inscription doesn’t give the characters any solid information. In the theatrical, it provided important information and the heroes had to have both that knowledge and the blade itself. In this proposed plot revision, they would essentially only learn that they… need to get the blade back. All they’d learn is that Rey needs to tap into darkness somehow. Feels a little muddy.
It does seem like this muddies the movie more than it cleans it up. Personally, I’d just accept the doofy Goonies-style treasure clues as a cheesy but essential element of the movie and leave that portion relatively intact, because much of the movie is structured around them.
No kidding. Nobody says “well now we have to get the dagger back” after 3PO’s message plays (in fact, they seem more happy about the message than anything since Babu celebrates). Furthermore, Finn even questions why Rey is heading off to explore the ship by saying “Chewie is this way.” Never at one point do the characters say “go look for the dagger.” It’s always “We’re coming, Chewie” and “go save your friend”.
It’s honestly quite mind-boggling how much this movie relies on the dagger giving an exact answer.
Eh, whatever. The only reason I brought it up is because I enjoy having Kylo being independent from Palpy with his own goals and motivations. And since he’s the Supreme Leader of the First Order, I prefer to have them be two distinctly different organizations. One much more concerned with militarism, and the other wanting to instate a Sith Empire.
But that’s neither here nor there.
fair enough, like underlying thoughts and there were hints of that in the movie of Kylo having his own agenda etc. which makes it cool. In regards to the topic,it is lando’s transmission to the galaxy. What the galaxy has heard was “the final order begins” as in, in the galaxy’s POV, they dont know the final order is an organization, they think it’s a revolution/time era change. I think it could be either first order or final order and it would’ve had the same effect on any receiving end. Let’s rally up to take down the bad guys.
Sure. I get that. Especially since our edits remove Palpatine’s message to the galaxy from the opening crawl, most people only know about the First Order.
But in the context of the original film it does make me wonder why they wrote Lando’s lines that way. Unsure.
Wouldn’t they be fighting the Final Order though? Like, the only First Order present on Exegol are on the Steadfast.
to have an idea / creative thought be broken down into a thousand pieces no matter what it is every time gets abit jarring.
Making one measly suggestion/observation is considered that? Like I said, the audio is great, but that was my one reservation with it. I figured voicing my concern might have been worth something, but I guess not. Sorry.
Eh, whatever. The only reason I brought it up is because I enjoy having Kylo being independent from Palpy with his own goals and motivations. And since he’s the Supreme Leader of the First Order, I prefer to have them be two distinctly different organizations. One much more concerned with militarism, and the other wanting to instate a Sith Empire.
But that’s neither here nor there.
Nah I was mostly referring to everybody else’s discussion about this Lando audio. It sounds great, but I’m not sure the end of this movie is the right context for it since they technically aren’t going up against the First Order.
Wouldn’t they be fighting the Final Order though? Like, the only First Order present on Exegol are on the Steadfast.
Another issue is that 3PO translating the inscription doesn’t give the characters any solid information. In the theatrical, it provided important information and the heroes had to have both that knowledge and the blade itself. In this proposed plot revision, they would essentially only learn that they… need to get the blade back. All they’d learn is that Rey needs to tap into darkness somehow. Feels a little muddy.
This is my biggest issue with it all tbh. Eliminating the dagger as the most obvious reason for how Kylo knew where she went isn’t as important as potentially eliminating the entire point of the whole Kijimi side mission (and 3PO’s sacrifice, at that)
Like, it opens up a whole can of worms. Why did the vision only show itself to Rey on the Steadfast instead of on Pasaana? If you say it’s because of 3PO’s translation, I don’t really buy that. What exactly does “embrace the darkness” mean, and why didn’t she qualify for it before? It’s a very vague concept since we don’t have any real life comparison.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t think it’s wise to have the vital piece of information the heroes were trying to get for a portion of the movie end up being some abstract concept. Something more concrete is easy to understand and speeds things along without any questions asked.
I hate to say it, but I feel like you’d be creating biggers problems by trying to patch this small one.
Here’s the establishing shot replacing all three of the previous shots.
Password: fanedit
I ramped the speed another 25% or so, and keyframed the vertical movement to play with the extra space and make it more dynamic. The only thing that’s missing are the TIE fighters.
If we wanted to keep the final TIE forest shot, it might work to just cut the first part of the castle shot and shift it to make room.
I think it’s perfect with just the biomes footage. But it’s hard to say that for sure I suppose until the TIEs are put in.
Here’s the Mustafar Establishing shot:
Great stuff, only thing that gets me is Director Krennic’s Shuttle just parked there, hoping Popsketti can do us some First Order Tie Fighters when the time comes.
Honestly it’s such a small detail that you could call it an Easter egg or simply an abandoned shuttle that was left there after the Empire fell.
If we want perfection, then yeah might be good to remove it.
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Hal, I see axlanian sent you some audio for the 3PO/stormtrooper scene in the “things I still need to do” section. What sequence of lines did we end up going with?
Oh, and congrats on 9000 posts!
My guess is that Kylo was able to translate the dagger, that’s how he knew. But we’re never told that, and it’s never even hinted at. This is a pretty cool way to show how he knows.
Yes that’s canon. I’d say it’s at least slightly hinted at since they were able to figure out so much about the Aki-Aki necklace so easily. So a Sith relic like that would be a cakewalk for whatever they’ve got in their databases (especially since they aren’t bound by laws passed by the Republic).
The first version of this project is now available. I will personally message everyone who expressed interest previously with this latest version. If I miss you, feel free to reach out here.
As I said previously, a v2 of this project is inevitable once Faraday reads through it. But that won’t be for a while. In the meantime, feel free to report any issues with the novel so I can correct them for that version.
A Work-in-progress on color correcting and forest-ing the Vader Castle shot:
Obviously the lights of the castle will be darkened.
As far as the shot length, I’ve sped it up 1000% (10X speed) and that’s still not enough to simply replace the castle from the original 3 shot establishing sequence. I don’t want to speed it up more since the smoke and fog looks odd (and I’ll have to re-track a slower version of the lavafall regardless), so I’m thinking that it might be possible to use this one shot to replace all three.
Thoughts?
Impressive. Most impressive.
I’m fine with it myself. I was just speaking for the lore nuts who believe it is an actual Sith ability meant to stagger opponents. But I’m not sure that’s canon anymore. Could be legends.
It’s a nice callback to ROTS, so why not.
