Jar Jar Bricks

I’d have to take a look, but I’m semi-confident this is the best there is. And, at least in my dialect, referring to someone with a pronoun before elaborating on exactly who that is would be fine structurally. (Ex: “I ran into him. Bob is looking better today.”)

EDIT: There is actually one other option.

KYLO: Wherever you are, you are hard to find.
REY: You’re hard to get rid of.
KYLO: I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it. I needed you to see it. Who you are. I know the rest of your story… Rey-
REY: You’re lying.
KYLO: I never lied to you. There’s no need. Your parents were no one. They chose to be. To keep you safe.

Hal 9000 said:

“You were right” leads into the next line better, I think. If he says “I see them,” I’d expect the next line to simply be “Your parents.”

But he practically does say that. “I see them … [insert description of what he sees about her parents]”. He later tells Rey herself to “see them”, which leads into the first vision. So by having him say this line it’s clear that through their dyad they are capable of experiencing the same vision/memories. I think that’s a really cool concept that isn’t clear in the original. (Heck, I’m pretty sure the original implies she’s getting the visions from the dagger which is kinda dumb).

Besides, there are a lot of other people who agree that “You were right” simply doesn’t sound natural. No offense to Pappa of course, he did his best there, but why would you use an unofficial line if an official one works just as good if not arguably better?

Either way, I suppose this may be another thing I’ll have to do on my own somehow. Lots of other LEGO lines that I think would work well in this film. Might just have to make the Ascendent LEGO cut 😉

Well, that’s actually the goal! The v1 line stands out imo. He says “I see them” instead of “You were right”.

So is this still something being considered?

https://youtu.be/jcsLeRB5Uyk

I have the audio line and everything still. Just might need a little bit of reverb added.

Master Lawdog said:

Is it possible that VFX can be done to remove it hanging from her belt in the shot where she runs to grab the Jedi texts during the Resistance briefing?

We’ve already tried everything there. A crop cuts too much off. VFX would be too large of a task.

If it were up to me, I’d just remove that entire brief scene of Rey running up to the chest with the books in it. So she runs away in the middle of the Resistance meeting only to return with the books (still makes sense). Plus, Merry has a weird line in the background of that brief scene. Something like, “There were always whispers of his hunger to cheat death.” Most people didn’t know of Palpy’s Sith origin in the Empire, so it’s a strange line to say the least.

Well, that read was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Nice summary of what we’ve got.

Master Lawdog said:

Hey, Hal. One addition that I noticed on the list that will be in V2 that I don’t think you’ve really touched upon is Leia vocalizing when she drops the headphones. Exactly what will she say in the brief moment? A gasp?

Like Hal said, it’s a very subtle change that you probably wouldn’t notice were it not listed in the changelog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-5pT7YxyB8

Burbin said:

The only characters that get two lines are Anakin, Yoda, Qui gon & Kanan, seems a tad excessive to give Sors two lines as well. I like the first line “we are all one through the Force” but the second one “as it carries us” is a bit awkward. So I’d say keep the cameo subtle with only the first line as to not mess with it too much.

Might have to agree. Seems like the “minor” Jedi in this scene like Mace only get one line, so let’s leave it at that.

I mean, yeah. If Palps wants them to come together to him for his plan to work, and Kylo spends the entire film trying to do just that, then he’s kinda getting played. Makes Kylo seem kinda foolish at the very least.

They probably changed it so that Kylo and Palpatine clearly had conflicting goals all throughout the film. And to make Kylo less of a puppet/plaything for him.

Hal 9000 said:

And I think what’ll be best for V2 of Ascendant for Palpatine is what we’ve already done, just working out a few of the kinks of the plot mechanics without radically altering them. But I reiterate, I would genuinely like to see these ideas be developed in the main TROS ideas thread and coalesce into something.

Same. Especially the “Palpatine knew about the dyad the whole time” idea. Since that was thrown around in pre-production.

I didn’t mean to derail, my intention in posting all of what I said was that I think what we have locked for v2 now is a significant improvement over the original while still residing within what was ultimately decided for the film. My two cents is that a lot of these other ideas on Palpatine’s plan have their merits, but may belong in a Starlight/Rekindled branch of this project.

CamSMurph said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

CamSMurph said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

That’s what I like about Hal’s edits: they don’t deviate too much from the original film, they mostly seek to enhance what’s already there.

“Truer to the filmmakers’ intentions?” 🤨

Don’t mean to speak for JarJar but I don’t really understand the confusion here.

What were J.J.'s intentions for TFA exactly?

It’s meant to be a retread of the original Star Wars, and leave a lot up in the air for future installments. Hal’s Restructure simply alleviates some of the glaringly obvious copy/paste things, along with some moments that went a bit too far.

Atom-88 said:

Hal 9000 said:

Again, I do like this idea and wish it could be fully realized without seams. But by this point my TFA edit is a diet version of Nev’s Starlight, and my TLJ edit is a diet version of poppasketti’s Rekindled, so I wonder what this edit will end up a diet version of??

I don’t see them as Diet Hal, without your hard work we wouldn’t have half of what we have. I haven’t been around the forums as long as a lot of you but have seen enough to know that almost all editors take inspiration from your edits and even use them as their main to work off.

As for TROS this seems to be the fan bases main thread.

Neither do I. In fact, I’m planning on continuing to use Restructured because it’s truer to the original filmmakers intentions.
That’s what I like about Hal’s edits: they don’t deviate too much from the original film, they mostly seek to enhance what’s already there.

GLogus said:

It’s also really weak that Palpatine tells Rey he wants her to kill him (so that he can possess her) because saying such a thing would actually de-motivate her to follow through on that plan. I just think the whole “kill me, and ascend the throne” thing is really dumb and could possibly be cut out. Palpatine just isn’t this stupid and ignorant.

As Hal said, v2 makes a couple changes to make his plan a little less jarring. We’ve made it so that Palpatine has always wanted her dead, and originally wanted to possess Kylo once he’s killed Rey, but when he turns back to the light is when Palps changes his plan to possessing Rey.

As for him explicitly saying that to her, I’d imagine it’s because there wasn’t really any other place in the film to show just what his new plan was. I think he’s kinda hinging on Rey’s naivety concerning essence transfer (ie she doesn’t know for sure if she will retain some level of autonomy). He’s trying to give her the impression that only by merging with him will she have enough power to save her friends. He says as much, “We will be one.” Of course, we know that it isn’t merging, that it’s replacement, but she doesn’t.

I like the way we have things at the end because it provides resolution to the Ben/Luke dynamic (ie they’re chill with each other again). A significant portion of TLJ is dedicated to Kylo’s hatred of him, so I’d say this is a powerful moment that should have been there to begin with.

Higher is slightly better.

Lookin’ good.

Is it just me or does the TIE on the right glitch out visually at the 0:19 mark?

IlFanEditore said:

Has anyone seen this short clip from Petrovelly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp69_iWE_Rw
The second segment is Kylo’s fighter on Mustafar.

Pretty sure Fixing Disney Star Wars were the ones that wanted that done. Wonder why Petrovelly posted it for everyone to see.

Octorox said:

Honestly, I’m not a fan of the three-shot version. It feels less cohesive to me. The first shot looks way too dark and doesn’t match the surrounding footage. The TIES in the second shot look like 2D elements tracked on and you can see matte lines around them. Overall, the two-shot version at least transitions from lava to forest whereas the three-shot sort of jumps all over the place. There’s no sense of geography.

Not denigrating the hard work everyone put in to both versions, but that version just doesn’t work for me.

Agreed. Plus, it would be a shame not to use this Biomes footage.

I think it all looks great. Worst case scenario, we can just head canon that the area by Vader’s castle is a lot more dead than in the forest, where there may be a pink mist in the air.

sherlockpotter said:

poppasketti said:

I think the way the camera is moving dictated to me how the ties should fly, so that’s what I went with, but you’re right it’s three shots in a row like that!

If we go with Cinefy’s idea of mirroring the shot, I’ll only point out that we’d have to go back to the V1 forest flyover shot, to maintain a constant right-to-left screen direction between the shots (which wouldn’t be an issue).

Was just about to point this out.

For some reason I seem to recall somebody here actually made a (brief) shot of the TIEs flying straight at the camera above the forest. It was in one of those extra-extended intros that included the Battlefront cinematic. Might have to go digging…

Burbin said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Burbin said:

If the forest is now meant to be behind Fortress Vader, doesn’t that mess continuity with the shot MR did that adds the castle behind Kylo as he picks up the Wayfinder?

I would think that would be perfect continuity, no? They’re going deeper and deeper into the forest to get the Wayfinder, and when he gets it you can see the castle behind him in the distance.

The front of the castle faces the edge of a large cliff. In MR’s shot you see the front of the castle towering in the distance so the forest would be somewhere below the cliff. Nev’s shot would place the forest behind the castle instead, from that perspective the back of the castle would be visible, not the front.

Ah I see what you mean now. You’re right, it should theoretically be the back of the castle. Thing is, that might not be as recognizable as the front is. So maybe logic should be abandoned here for something that catches your eye instead.

Dang, that’s a nice shot Poppa.

Burbin said:

If the forest is now meant to be behind Fortress Vader, doesn’t that mess continuity with the shot MR did that adds the castle behind Kylo as he picks up the Wayfinder?

I would think that would be perfect continuity, no? They’re going deeper and deeper into the forest to get the Wayfinder, and when he gets it you can see the castle behind him in the distance.