Star Wars has always treated space more like a physical medium than what it is in real life.
I like it! Obviously needs the AI lines from Huyang that he was the one who found her. Maybe also consider shortening up her auditory flashback so that the camera doesn’t have to pan over Hera and the ghost.
It seems I need access. But I think removing Hera and all New Republic scenes and keeping them all just a cameo at the beginning and end of the movie is the way to go.
‘Star Wars: De-Incest Edition’
Leia is not Luke’s brother- snip out all the pieces of dialogue that say so.
At the top of my head only includes: Some of the stuff Ghost Obi-Wan tells Luke on Dagobah, some of what Luke says to Leia on Endor, and the baby Leia in Episode III (which I know isn’t OT, but still).
None of this would diminish Leia’s role in any of the films and would remove the incest-y details.
alternatively just remove Luke and Leia kissing (both times).
The first time is understandable because she is clearly just mad at Han and wants him to be jealous.
But the second time comes right after she’s fallen in love with Han PLUS there is literally no reason for her to be doing it. Super weird.
Crazy to think that by the middle of next year I’ll have the (arguably) perfect edits for each of the Skywalker Saga films except Episode 6. Exciting stuff!
After the finale it’s very clear to me that cutting anything related to Anakin would be a mistake. Those scenes are the thematic through line of the entire show.
EDIT: Honestly it does sound better on my phone vs my desktop. I have been listening to the same lines for hours so maybe I’m just a little over-sensitive right now.
That’s the case with most of these AI lines. They sound flawless on a TV speaker from your couch, or the speaker on your phone. But as soon as you put on a nice pair of headphones you can spot a little bit of something if you try hard enough. Not a whole lot to do about that.
Here’s three options for the second Poe line:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16MvMi0p8ugTPrU2Q_PWrio-ATAJ8jpZ8/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_yQddDcmxYFgzgaTVnqVwWeMvN4Nk3Hd/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TLEaWuH3WnG0aURulMWiKOKTfnmTabic/view?usp=sharing
I prefer the second one there.
DZ brings up a good point. Are we even certain that the Sith wayfinder illustration is from the Jedi texts and not just Luke’s own notes he happened to keep with them?
That would make the most sense seeing as how they are the ancient Jedi texts and should predate the Sith Order by a great deal. And it lines up with Rey’s dialogue in the scene with Leia: “Luke searched for it for a long time. He nearly found it. There are ciphers here I can’t read, but he said to get there you need one of these. A Sith wayfinder.”
Notice how she doesn’t say, “the Jedi said to get there you need one of these.” This was all initiated by Luke. He wrote the ciphers, and ancient Jedi had nothing to do with Sith wayfinders.
What I’m trying to say here is that if we want the ancient Jedi texts themselves to actually be seen and do something for the plot, we need the new illustration. Otherwise, we get a reference to the texts but no visual of them. And, as DZ pointed out, it makes the most sense for Rey to search for answers about her inner darkness in the ancient texts rather than Luke’s private journal.
I removed “has been” at the request of Hal I believe. Or maybe it was somebody else. I can take a look at it tomorrow morning.
If you ask me, I think the main reason for the loss of deleted scenes in most projects is due to the shift toward streaming. Deleted scenes used to be a way to market DVD sales and make more money on the project.
Nowadays, if they were to put those deleted scenes on the extras tab of a streaming service, it would only serve to fuel controversy on what could have been. They have nothing to gain from providing them to us, they only lose. I think the only way we should expect to see them in the future is if a director personally pushes for it.
Which is a shame. Would have loved to see all the deleted scenes for TROS.
Yes, as far as I can tell, the only AI lines from v3 that will be unchanged in v4 are 3PO’s and the masked Kylo Ren ones. The rest have been upgraded in terms of quality by being based on character audio from the film itself and in some cases completely re-written (example: “You are family” instead of “A Jedi needs her weapon.”)
Ah that makes more sense. It’s like the scene of Ant-Man trying to slip through the key hole. But Poe messes it up.
But then couldn’t you make the argument that failing the maneuver results in a lightspeed clip? 😉
So, either way, I think it works.
Yeah, RL should have all of those already. And it would be a shame not to use that wonderful illustration.
All of that being said, I prefer lightspeed “clipping” out of the options!
Also after seeing what feels like a conclusion to Hera’s B-plot, I feel most of it can just go. It felt like it accomplished absolutely nothing.
Hera’s plot definitely needs to go. Leia sending Threepio instead of just going there herself reeks of obvious real world complications.
I’m surprised they just didn’t say that she was tied up with some business on some random planet. Instead, it comes across like she doesn’t care enough about Hera to come in person.
We’re changing all of the ones that stick out for v4. Nothing to worry about.
It’s not necessarily the worst idea. I’d recommend trying to play into the whole victimization of Kylo Ren angle:
“They’ve all given up on you. But not me. Find me.”
Emboldened by the Jedi’s
absence, warriors of the
evil FIRST ORDER have
risen from the shadows
of an Imperial fortress to
subjugate distant worlds
beyond the reach of the
New Republic Starfleet.
This is a clever way to explain the creation of the Resistance without it being that the New Republic just doesn’t want to do anything about it. And honestly I’m pretty sure it lines up with canon. The New Republic’s fleet can’t really go anywhere without leaving Hosnian defenseless. But that’s all the fault of their demilitarization efforts.
Is somebody really skilled at reading lips? I’m super curious to know what they’re actually saying in that scene.
If I may - I’d also be willing to redo the AI dialog that currently exists using Poe’s own dialog as its reference. It will blend in much better that way.
Also, did you decide against Leia giving Maz the lightsaber in Rey’s vision and telling her to keep it safe?
And then I assume this message also goes out to the other Final Order ships (since it reaches all the First Order ships across the galaxy), which means the whole civilian fleet would also be shooting down ships full of these newly unbrainwashed troopers, killing them all without a second thought.
Nah, Sith troopers are a different breed entirely. They’ve basically been raised in a religious cult and have only seen the grey skies of Exegol. Whereas FO stormtroopers have seen countless worlds and scenarios that could help them shake off their conditioning.
True. Maybe meeting Jannah and co. was his awakening to “Hmmm, maybe I shouldn’t be celebrating the deaths of my former comrades.”
But arguably, any sane person should have been questioning that much sooner. But we’re working with a very limited amount of resources here.
I like everything you’ve got there, RL.
But I’d argue against modifying the crawl or making regular broadcasts of Finn and Poe. It’s quite clear toward the beginning that Poe really does have his doubts about whether everybody out there is ever willing to come together. Thus why it’s more impactful when he talks about there being “more of us” later on. Doing this would rob us of any really character development for him.
I just realized: Why not replace the shot from TROS of Leia clinging to Han’s medal with the shot from TLJ with her holding Han’s dice? It’s something that means more to the Sequel Trilogy rather than being a callback, & it further sets up the idea of Leia summoning Han’s force ghost for Ben later on.
She doesn’t have them, Luke does. Doesn’t he take them off the Falcon in TLJ and then they aren’t seen again?
Yes, they’re still on Ahch-To, probably in Luke’s hut. Unless Rey managed to steal them along with the texts (but that sounds unlikely since she doesn’t even know Luke removed them in the first place).
Now, this may seem presumptuous, but I feel like that’s one of the easier things possible. Once he decides to stay with Jannah on the Destroyer, we get a montage of hologram message playing on FO Destroyers, using AI voice lines and his model from Battlefront with a hologram filter over it.
I didn’t say it would be good, but a mockup should be possible. I’m tempted.
Then it sounds like this would be our only option for the idea.
There is a deleted scene of Kylo Ren on a Star Destroyer bridge. He could be VFX’d out and replaced with the hologram.
Hmm, it’s an interesting idea, but might be clumsy. We would’ve griped about this if the movie did this.
Which idea? The quick word replacement of “people” with “stormtroopers” in Finn’s sentence or the more in-your-face ideas?
Also, about Kylo Ren and the whole hidden power thing. I believe he knows about the fleet but is aware that he needs to kill whoever is in charge in order to steal it for himself.