Jar Jar Bricks

Awesome! I guess now the concern is whether Rey would actually be willing to sacrifice Leia for Ben. Now, obviously it’s what Leia wants her to do, but Rey should really be putting up some resistance to such a simple command. So maybe instead of “Together, Rey” we could do “You must take my strength, Rey.” Just to have her be more firm about it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1trR7kJBrGgQlINqKPUuq9MFR9gAKc3zB/view?usp=sharing

I’ll see if I can’t grab some Maz lines for a voice clone. Do you think I should only use TROS as a source or should I tap into TFA? The problem is that TROS doesn’t give her many lines.

I see where you’re getting at with visions being the easy way out. But I think in this case it’s 100% warranted. As I said before, Rey says that he can’t stop seeing what he did to his father on Pasaana. He’s about to make the same mistake he made with Han by striking down Rey. By showing Han’s death before he does it, it’s like Kylo’s subconscious telling him: “Hey, no, we’ve done this before, we don’t like how it ended.”

We also make his later vision of Han not come completely out of nowhere. But if you want this vision to also not come out of nowhere, then we’d need to see flashes of Han’s death even sooner in the movie.

As for why he goes to Vader’s mask, I think it’s simply because Palpatine is a notorious liar. He wants to make sure that Vader really never was speaking to him and Palps isn’t taking credit for something real. Granted, I do see the appeal in Palpatine saying something like “I am the only voice you will ever hear in your head” earlier on and then Han’s voice is what awakens him.

Eddie, I was actually thinking of Leia telling Rey what to do. Here is how that line might sound:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DiyTjWsPY6HjbypGBt8kU0KL0gPIjRAB/view?usp=sharing

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Rey says [earlier in the movie] that he can’t stop seeing what he did to his father, so anything that instantly establishes that link should work. And it needs to be startling enough to stop Kylo mid-swing, anyways.

Just realized I said our golden ticket right here. Try putting flashes of Kylo killing Han after he raises his lightsaber. Try to replicate the style of the visions we created for the beginning of Ascendant.

You can put the softer “Ben, come home” when he caresses his face before falling.

I suppose my thinking is that it needs to use recognizable audio from TFA. Rey says that he can’t stop seeing what he did to his father, so anything that instantly establishes that link should work. And it needs to be startling enough to stop Kylo mid-swing, anyways.

I might be able to access the computer a bit today for the lines, we’ll see.

Much agreed. The idea that Rey feels responsible for the death of Leia is pretty astonishing - way more impactful than the Chewbacca fakeout. I’d have to see if there is a way to implement such an AI line later on. “Leia died because of me”. I also think Leia’s last energy being put into Ben physically rather than just so he can see her one last time is much better. I was thinking about it last night, and it actually also explains why her body doesn’t vanish until Ben dies.

Granted, it wouldn’t explain why Ben’s body vanishes despite putting all of his energy into Rey. But maybe that can be handwaved with the whole dyad thing. Plus, it technically means that the life-force of Leia is living on in Rey along with Ben.

I really think it would prove beneficial to use the shot of Leia laying down during the healing process. Instead of focusing your VFX efforts on the ghostly effect, you might be able to remove the medallion? Even if you can’t, I suppose it really isn’t the end of the world for it to be there. Most casual fans have no idea what it even is. And for the people that do know what it is, perhaps Leia is using it is a way to focus her energy transfer on Ben? I’m sure his residual energy is still all over it since Han probably let him have it as a kid.

Also, just wondering, what about Han’s yell was odd? I’m pretty sure somebody else on the forum has used it in the exact place before (I copied the idea from them).

As for Maz’s line, we can be even clearer. Maz is in tune with the Force, so she should know what’s going on. “To heal her son now, will take all the strength she has left.” You still have the double meaning to “heal”.

I do like the idea. A few things that are missing:

• Han’s yell of “Ben!” from TFA should be the sound that interrupts his attack.

• The shots of Leia need to be reimplemented somehow during the healing process to make it clearer that while life is leaving her its being given to Ben.

I didn’t mean to diss that incredible work - I think it’s 100% necessary for the end of the Skywalker saga. I only brought it up because it’s worth considering in the discussion of how powerful Force ghosts ought to be.

Also, the way the scene plays out originally is a more blatant ripoff of Iron Man vs. Thanos. I’d say adding the ghosts and changing her line actually alleviates some of those similarities.

Well it’s never explicitly confirmed in canon whether Obi-Wan knew Yoda’s location while alive. I could just as easily assume he didn’t know it as a safeguard in case he was ever caught by the Empire and interrogated.

I’m also pretty sure that the current canon explanation for how Leia was able to contact Kylo on the Death Star wreckage is that ghost Luke taught her how to Force project herself in an instant. Dumb, I know. But it doesn’t stop there. The canon explanation for how Anakin becomes a Force ghost is that he is taught in an instant by Kenobi’s ghost.

It’s just a problem in Star Wars that you have to overlook one way or another. The ghosts are op (just like in the Lego games). And we’ve made them even more overpowered already because they assist in being able to kill Palpatine once and for all. I personally don’t see the harm in Luke divulging a secret about Rey to Leia so she knows what she’s getting into by training her.

I guess the difference is that the information that is revealed by the ghosts is never something that could massively change the outcome of the entire plot like what you described. In Luke’s case, it if anything only makes the potential for him to fall to the dark side greater because Vader is able to exploit is newfound connection with Leia. And in Rey’s case, it only provides her further justification as for why she should face her fears.

I will agree that the script writers were definitely only considering the emotional impact of the reveals in this movie, not whether they make sense logically based on what came before.

Yeah but I happen to agree with Hal that Leia piecing together her lineage is insanely dumb. The only way it makes sense is in the context of the novelization where she was already having frequent conversations with Luke’s voice so it’s not a stretch to imagine that he told her - and he knows because he’s omniscient now or something.

Personally, I’d be fine with Luke saying “Because you’re a Palpatine? I had told Leia about it.” But Hal said he doesn’t like the idea of ghosts having that much power over things. I’d push back against that with the fact that it was Obi-Wan’s ghost who all but tells Luke that Leia is his sister so it’s not unprecedented whatsoever. Then again, Obi Wan knew that secret in life, but that’s a mild distinction.

True, but the two are inextricably linked. As Palpatine says, it’s her birthright to rule there. It’s clear that the dark side calls out to Rey (TLJ) and shows her these dark visions because of her heritage. It’s why Kylo Ren doesn’t experience the same things. While it doesn’t make much sense biologically speaking, one could think of it like the dark side as an entity gunning for the rightful heir to the Sith.

I’d say you’re oversimplifying things. The point is the exact opposite of “Leia knew and didn’t care.” It’s the fact that she DID care so much as to return Rey the Skywalker lightsaber and literally say “you are family to me” despite what she’d seen potentially happening in the future. It’s the exact inversion of what Anakin does. Her placing so much hope in Rey is what gives her the strength to push back against that dark fate. It’s extremely powerful stuff.

Whereas the way we currently have it, Leia realizes there is a struggle Rey is going through but may not perceive the exact depth to it. It’s clear that she cares, but who’s to say she wouldn’t be quite disturbed at the idea of Rey becoming Empress of the galaxy? Would her behavior to Rey have changed if she knew the truth of her struggle?

It may not be a big reveal to the audience, but it is to Rey since she is living with that uncertainty of whether or not Leia would judge her for all this. It’s a character development moment, not something to make people gasp.

I’d totally be down to try some of that Zorri stuff, Nev.

As for my previous idea, I just couldn’t help myself - https://youtu.be/MX-HgxqpIQI?si=PbzIctb6tFbibNqA

I believe Hal poked at the line “she still trained me” because at the time Leia would have seen her vision she would have still trained Rey for a year, meaning she couldn’t take back what she’d already given. To that, I say this - fine, delete that line as we currently have it. All Rey needs to say is “She didn’t tell me”.

EDIT: Just realized Rey’s second line could be dubbed over with “She still trusted me.”

krlozdac said:

I was opposed to Leia telling Rey “You are family” from a writing standpoint because I thought it undercuts her journey and I still believe that, but I must say it made me quite emotional hearing that on the scene. Not only for what it means to Rey but because it made Leia feel more alive and present in the movie than ever before.

I would agree with you if not for the fact that Rey is clearly insecure about her self-worth after seeing that vision. Yes, Leia tells her that she is family, but logically that would only serve to make her feel worse about not telling her that she saw herself on the throne of the Sith. She believes that if Leia knew the truth about her then she wouldn’t be saying that.

Which is why I’m mildly miffed that Leia knowing all of this about Rey isn’t in this edit. Something like “Leia saw your vision, too” from Luke on Ahch-To. But I can live without it I suppose.

EDIT: Just remembered that we might be doing this for the new Rey Nobody edit so I might just be able to splice this change into v4.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

One thing we definitely need to do that’s nagged me ever since Restructured is that we are clearly recycling reaction shots of the pilots from later on in the firing sequence. We really just need to mirror the two reaction shots to make them less similar as done in the following example I made - https://youtu.be/gzdKcd_XxnA?si=rcfaDCOoxcvnEc3j

I’d also swap the reaction shot order to make it even less apparent. So Poe first and then the other dude.

I like that first idea a ton, DZ.

One thing we definitely need to do that’s nagged me ever since Restructured is that we are clearly recycling reaction shots of the pilots from later on in the firing sequence. We really just need to mirror the two reaction shots to make them less similar as done in the following example I made - https://youtu.be/gzdKcd_XxnA?si=rcfaDCOoxcvnEc3j

I wouldn’t be opposed to something that sets up the dyad in a subtle way. Arguably it’s already used by Rey because she is able to resist Kylo’s mind probe and see into his own - they share this dyad even at that point, but it’s weak. That’s how she suddenly knows how to mind control. Granted, this edit tries to reframe that as her tapping into the dark side to learn it. But why not both?

I can’t seem to think of another place where their connection could be made more clear. I’ll give it some thought.

I had originally omitted Snoke’s line about bridging their minds but I’ve since decided it’s best to keep it there since that’s the whole twist of the movie.

What we decided to do is change TROS’s line in Ascendant so that Kylo says they’ve become a dyad in the Force, not that they just are one. That way Snoke still bridged their minds, but he didn’t realize he was jumpstarting a latent connection between them.

Fair enough. Honestly my goal here more than anything is to help create the definitive version of the Kenobi flashback scene so edits of Episode 2 like this can use it properly.

Isn’t there glow on Anakin and Dooku when they’re fighting in the dark? Ah, but that’s only when it’s dark. Not sure why Disney exaggerated the glow so much in a room with so much sunlight.

Worst case scenario we can head canon it that when a lightsaber is on training mode it glows brighter. But that does seem counterintuitive.

I’m ready to get to work on whatever Nev wants in terms of AI lines. We definitely need to replace Poe’s line about Ilum because it used the outdated method of using an audio book as a source.

Hal 9000 said:

It wasn’t something I updated, and it sounds good to me as I just double-checked.

It’s definitely a headphones thing then. I’m sure it will sound fine on a speaker because it did the last time I watched it.

This could just be me, but “We’ve become a dyad in the Force” doesn’t sound as smooth as it was in v3? I could just be misremembering this, however.

Good to hear!

It would have been cool to have had access to the voice to voice feature back when we were working on v4 so everybody on the forum here could have contributed their actual voices to the final lines. Ya know, instead of me generating the same line hundreds of times in a row haha.

Good news is that I don’t think it would have resulted in a better-sounding line necessarily, it just would have been faster to get what we wanted. Plus, it’s quite similar to what we did for the civilian fleet.