The show can absolutely work as a feature film edit. The thing is that PixelJoker is making huge changes to the story itself. So it will depend on whether you prefer those changes to the story or not to determine if another edit is warranted.
Do we still have that clip of Rey shooting yellow lightning? I honestly wouldn’t mind that as a subtle hint that she isn’t REALLY Palpatine’s granddaughter/heir in both of our edits. Rey thinks she uses the dark side there, as well as the common audience member. But in reality she was using Force judgement - a light side ability.
EDIT: NVM, my bad, it’s already in the Rey Nobody edit.
I will say that the dagger thing is a really good idea for an edit in which Rey is truly a nobody. The only reason I wouldn’t use such a thing on the other thread is because it’s unnecessary when the whole purpose of that concept is that Palpatine may have had a part in manipulating the very nature/destiny of everybody. But this allows you to do the same thing without getting into influencing the creation of life. Granted, that is something that had already been established as something Palpatine was interested in, and not so much fashioning Sith artifacts which possess you Darth Momin style, but it still works.
So take the example of the scene between Finn and Rey on the Falcon. Both of our explanations satisfy why she’s hearing whispers telling her to go destroy Palpatine in her anger. In your case, it’s because this is after she’s retrieved the dagger and it’s influencing her actions. In my case, it’s because she’s just been told her true origin by Kylo and it “unlocked” the nature/purpose that Palpatine planted in her since birth.
EDIT: Ya’ll ever read The Silver Chair by C.S. Lewis? That’s what this other idea reminds me of. Personally I love the idea that Kylo was a good man under a spell by Palpatine. And if he didn’t return to Vader’s mask every so often he’d start to slip back to his normal personality (like how the prince has to sit on the silver chair every night). But others probably prefer character agency, and I can see that argument as well, which is why the other thread’s idea can exist because it places a greater deal of emphasis on that.
I think the biggest problem with dragging Leia into this part of the conversation is that it makes it seem like everyone, from the Skywalkers, Palpatine’s, and Rey herself, share the same blood. Everyone being related to each other by blood is like the last thing I want to suggest as it’s even more egregious than the original TROS. Not to mention the oncoming incest that would entail. That’s why I think we desperately need to maintain that the Force made them at this point, again. This is specifically why I worded Kylo’s dialogue earlier as “Palpatine influenced the Force itself to create life” and “You… are a rightful Palpatine”. The Force made the life, Palpatine is claiming what it made as his own because it wouldn’t have existed in the first place without him. This is an undeniable fact, even in canon. And who knows, perhaps Palpatine did boost them with an extra dose of “you need to fulfill your purpose with all your anger” because that’s what he always wanted them to do - kill him in anger. This is what’s hinted at in the scene between Rey and Finn on the Falcon, now. Rey says that she needs to destroy him in a trance-like state with Sith whispers in the background. So let’s summarize:
“What are you most afraid of?”
“Myself.”
“Because you’re a Palpatine? Leia struggled with that same fear.”
“She didn’t tell me…she still trained me.”
“Because she saw your spirit…your heart.”…
“She was quick to learn in our training. But she feared our family’s darkness within her. She surrendered her saber to me and said that someday it would be picked up again…by someone who would face that darkness, and overcome it.”
Yeah, if I didn’t want to have the second twist of the established truth Palpatine can bring I’d probably have Luke say something like this after “Because you’re a Palpatine?” It mayyyy just be worth it enough to still consider, anyways.
But I like how you wrote the flashback voice over so I’m definitely gonna borrow that, if you don’t mind.
The reason I was testing these things is to make sure they are doable in the first place. I never had many doubts, but it’s good to make sure. I think I’ll go with: “No, we were made to end him, Rey.”
Then of course Palpatine will later claim that this is exactly what he wanted the Skywalkers and her to do for him, leaving the possibility that he still designed them. People are free to take him at his word for this, but I think Rey should deny it so the conclusion of the movie makes sense.
It would rely on whatever he says next to sell it and not be as subtle. But yeah, that’s exactly the reinterpreted vibe of it.
I have a test posted on the other thread, and I’m pretty sure that just redubbing “Because you’re a Palpatine.” to “Because you’re a Palpatine?” allows you to pretty much dispel whatever you want with the next line he says off screen. Remember, he’s expressing in the moment what Rey wants to say herself, but is too scared to. But when he phrases it like a question instead of a statement, it no longer has to be fact.
The only way your other idea would work is if the Rey intro scene were modified, but then you’d be dealing with lips on screen. Seems like quite a bit of work for a reference.
Re-dubbing Luke’s line into a question also works marvelously:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LpkUB5LmNJ4Sd3xEGWH4UKNBx145tait/view?usp=sharing
It’s truly incredible what technology has allowed us to do.
Now, for context, let me be clear as to what “some things are stronger than blood” means at this point. In original TROS, it is a continuation of what they were just talking about. With the addition of “Final lesson” I’m hoping it’s clear that he’s changing topics. If you look at when he did this in TLJ, he would state the thesis of the lesson he was going to teach her immediately after this line about the lesson. Then, he would proceed explain his reasoning as to why that thesis is true.
So, in this case, he’s changing topics away from Palpatine’s supposed involvement in her conception. Then, the point of his lesson is that having this blood infused with all the power of the Force itself isn’t all its cracked up to be. He uses the example of Leia. She couldn’t even finish her training because she knew there was too much potential darkness inside of her. But Leia knew there would be somebody one day with both that power AND the spirit to overcome that darkness. However we want to word the flashback voiceover I’m fine with, but I’d prefer it to line up with what I’m describing, roughly.
Here’s some options for the first part of the dyad duel. Just so people who doubted any of this was possible before don’t anymore haha:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1FQYpAd-CS3KHYHjn2mbEK30uiNW9g59i?usp=sharing
I think we can all win here. We just need to play nice together.
I don’t have the editing skills to see the other collaborative idea to fruition. But I can certainly supply the lines to make all this possible. There would be three edits all based on Ascendant, although certainly not all of them need to be hosted by Hal (unless he’s cool with that). I would only need the smaller 1080p version, too.
By the way, Kylo’s new AI voice is amazing. I get a usable line that sounds indistinguishable from the real deal every 3-4 generations. I used to have to dig through hundreds of them to find something usable.
But I still don’t want the misinterpretation that she shares the same blood as him.
Oops I misread what you said.
What I’m trying to say is that Luke doesn’t necessarily need to say the Force made them here, just that their purpose is to kill him. This takes on a sinister meaning in Rey’s confrontation with Palpatine because he always wanted his chosen heir to kill him, so this can still be a part of Palpatine’s influence over the Force’s creations.
Something like: “Because you’re a Palpatine? We were made to kill him.” It’s not specified who made them, just what the intention was behind it.
I like that new line. Anything that makes things more vague is fine by me.
But we aren’t necessarily talking about Rey’s blood specifically, is the thing. I’m shifting the meaning of the lesson to be that, for all the power in the Skywalker bloodline and Rey’s, it was all for naught because their spirits weren’t strong enough to overcome the dark inclinations of the Force. Leia saw somebody who would have the spirit to do such a thing.
It’s also cool if what Luke tells Rey to do is what she tells Palpatine (“I’ve come to end you”). Then Palpatine nonchalantly is like - “Yeah, that’s what I always wanted.” It immediately dispels the pep talk that he gave her, and returns the stakes to the scene.
I do wonder if it might be possible to add in there that their bond is stronger than fate itself. This way we make it clear exactly how both of them avoid the destinies they know they have with the Sith throne.
EDIT:
"Now, the Emperor wants us to fight each other, so the strongest of us can inherit the throne. But he doesn’t realize we are connected as one in spirit by the raw power of the Force. Our bond transcends fate itself. We can end him and the Sith, and create a new order, together…”
I’m glad you recognize the comedy and irony in it as well. I touched on that quite a while ago on this page. I love the idea that Palpatine thought he has such a mastery of the Force that he could influence its own creations to serve his own will. That didn’t work out well for him the first time, yet he tries it again! Really funny stuff.
I really don’t think we have to pick one or the other. The audience is smart enough to pick one or the other themselves based on the pieces we already have put in place. This way, we are experiencing Rey’s conflict of identity exactly as how she perceives it in the moment.
But I love that definition of the dyad so we should keep that.
Yeah, let’s not modify the Ochi stuff any further.
I really want to steer clear of everybody being related to each other, especially with the Reylo kiss. The power in them is of the Force manifest in both its aspects (powerful light, powerful dark), not Palpatine’s, but he is claiming that they are his own creations regardless because he claims mastery over the whole Force. I like what we currently have because Luke is refuting Palpatine’s involvement in creating them by saying they were meant to kill him, but then later on Palpatine says that’s what he always wanted them to do. So perhaps he did still have a hand in creating them. It just gives us yet another twist moment, and leaves us unsure which of these narratives is the truth.
That then becomes it’s own reveal scene between Finn and Poe. “He wanted her alive” is already removed by Ascendant, and I’d keep it that way. Instead, the scene merely reveals that Ochi had been assigned to search for Rey and bring her to the Emperor, assumably when she was a child. Perhaps he wanted to collect her and Kylo at one point so that they would fight each other in front of the throne. But her rough life as a scavenger was perhaps something Palpatine hadn’t expected, and saw as a benefit so left her there. We don’t have to change any existing dialogue for this. Although we could replace “He wanted her alive” with “But he wanted her to be alone”.
This way we could reinstate Rey recognizing his ship, but we’d have to remove when she explains that her parents specifically were on it to Finn.
I don’t think Hal will be particularly interested in using AI voices to this extent for his personal projects. Perhaps at least until we see how good it sounds now 😉
One other thing to mention - I’m currently in disagreement about Kylo’s final paragraph to her for reasons I’ve posted on the other thread. Here’s how that was before:
"Now, the Emperor wants us to fight each other, so his most worthy heir can claim the throne. But he hasn’t realized the strength of our connection, Rey… a bond, not of blood, but of raw power in the Force. We can end him and the Sith, and create a new order, together…”
I also think I should forward my own perspective on the ultimate goal of this edit from the Rey Nobody edit threat. While Eddie is right on for a lot of it, it’s only one matter of interpretation that he’s sharing:
The other idea more or less amounts to Rey Chosen One. The perspective I’m trying to favor over there is that Rey is simply the second chosen one created by the Force since Palpatine cheated death, and just like usual Palpatine is trying to use what the Force intended to destroy him for his own gain. Only this time, he’s lying that Rey and the Skywalkers belong to him alone. The reveal in the hangar is later revealed to be a lie [with Luke] clarifying that they were created by the Force only to destroy Palpatine. Then we get a second twist of the truth in that Palpatine claims he always intended for her to kill him, so perhaps what he said wasn’t a lie all along. But, in all likelihood, it is one since she overcomes him without using the dark side, claiming herself a Jedi and Skywalker (earning the latter in every way except exact genetic makeup).
…the idea we have on the other thread can never be Rey Nobody in essence, because Rey, despite being made by nobody (the Force itself) and raised as a nobody by nobodies, is still somebody of extreme importance in the grand scheme of things. But I think removing the direct lineage to Palpatine makes things more palatable, and for those who preferred a direct link to him for whatever reason, they can still imagine that Palpatine did maybe have a hand in how the Force designed them, despite the conclusion of everything pointing to the contrary (ya know, the part where Palpatine finally admits she’s nothing but a scavenger girl).
Precisely.
Again, my only worry is the scene between Kylo and Palps we positioned before Endor wherein Palpatine is just straight up telling him to kill her again. Plus, I really like the idea that Palpatine is equally fine with either Kylo or Rey to take the throne. It makes what he says to Kylo in the intro genuine. It also allows whatever happens between Rey and Kylo to still be a part of his plan. We mention the fact they share the same fate earlier, we don’t want to take Kylo entirely off the table immediately after saying that.
If you think back to TLJ, Snoke isn’t giving Rey a fair chance whatsoever. He’s literally holding her in place and forcing Kylo to kill her. I just have a hard time buying that was something Palpatine intended to be a “challenge” for Rey to overcome and become more powerful. It’s only because of Kylo’s interest in her that she lives. They don’t conflict with each other, they fight as one. This is clearly not what Palpatine would want.
Since there are discussions amounting to Rey Palpatine edits in other threads, I thought I’d post this idea here.
I’d say this is a mischaracterization of things, at least at this point in the other thread. The other idea more or less amounts to Rey Chosen One. The perspective I’m trying to favor over there is that Rey is simply the second chosen one created by the Force since Palpatine cheated death, and just like usual Palpatine is trying to use what the Force intended to destroy him for his own gain. Only this time, he’s lying that Rey and the Skywalkers belong to him alone. In that way, I’d say we’re employing similar tactics. The reveal in the hangar is later revealed to be a lie, in my case by Luke, clarifying that they were created by the Force only to destroy Palpatine. Then we get a second twist of the truth in that Palpatine claims he always intended for her to kill him, so perhaps what he said wasn’t a lie all along. But, in all likelihood, it is one since she overcomes him without using the dark side, claiming herself a Jedi and Skywalker (earning the latter in every way except exact genetic makeup).
I like what you have listed right now because it cleverly uses the concept of visions in such a way that they are supposed to happen one way or another. This is something Star Wars has never truly explained except by saying “Always in motion is the future”. However, I agree with Raditz that your choice of location for revealing the lie of Rey Palpatine might not work exactly as I’m not sure what you’re trying to say there, either. And, ultimately, it might be frustrating to some viewers to have a potential explanation for her abnormally high levels of power, only to have not a single part of it be true, and with no other suggested alternative. This is one reason why the dyad might benefit an idea like yours, because it would let her tap into the power of the Skywalkers. You’d just have to specify that it started because of Snoke mindlinking them, so Rey can still be a complete nobody and not be fated to be linked to an important family like the Skywalkers.
All that being said, the idea we have on the other thread can never be Rey Nobody in essence, because Rey, despite being made by nobody (the Force itself) and raised as a nobody by nobodies, is still somebody of extreme importance in the grand scheme of things. But I think removing the direct lineage to Palpatine makes things more palatable, and for those who preferred a direct link to him for whatever reason, they can still imagine that Palpatine did maybe have a hand in how the Force designed them, despite the conclusion of everything pointing to the contrary (ya know, the part where Palpatine finally admits she’s nothing but a scavenger girl).