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Exactly. That’s why we’d only be using brief snippets from it in rapid succession. Think of it like a “best of” montage in the style of Rey’s vision. The key is that Kylo has his helmet on in it, and upon defeating “Vader” he’d think he’s earned the right to don it again in reality, thus why the next scene is him reforging it.

Perhaps Kylo should even say something like, “You’re Palpatine” at the beginning of it. To which Vader responds: “I am your own fear.” This would all line up perfectly with how Rey is forced to duel her own fear on the Death Star wreckage.

In the spirit of DOTF, and since we’d already be removing one instance of Palpatine telling Kylo to kill Rey after he asks “Who is she?” I genuinely think it would be best to replace Kylo’s vision with Vader’s mask with repurposed footage from the Kylo Ren vs Vader fan film. Especially since we can replace their voice acting with true to life AI voice clones. The end result of all this would be an edit in which Anakin/Vader is at the forefront of everything, as he rightfully should be in his own saga.

No the guy said in the description of the video that he used Elevenlabs. But RL’s method of making voice clones can’t really be beat.

Technically their first fight in a forest was on Takodana. Granted, that was an unfair one since Rey only had a blaster and no experience with the Force. But yeah, I can change the wording there.

EDIT: I’ve changed it to “When we first fought, on Starkiller Base” only because, like I said, their first fight was actually on Takodana. So the clarification is necessary not just for the audience, but for Rey.

Just assembling all my pieces in one place. This is how I’ll (roughly) be doing the Leia flashback dialogue:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W99nUXhu5iqWQY4sQjBew1IBUmPSJo3M/view?usp=sharing

Here’s (roughly) how I’ll be doing the Leia flashback:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W99nUXhu5iqWQY4sQjBew1IBUmPSJo3M/view?usp=sharing

Ideally, I’d really like to remove that line of “We’ll always be with you” from Ascendant as it sticks out like a sore thumb. Ironic, isn’t it? That an AI is more convincing than the real Mark Hamill there.

Try listening to these new lines in sequential order - it gives you the same effect as being in the scene itself, minus the music. If somebody wants to help incorporating it all into the scene that would be awesome (I think the Reddit OP used a slow-mo effect to extend the scene):

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1k4pgQCk0wujIFGglUndWDKaTfEoSzkwc?usp=sharing

EDIT: The line I’d like Luke to say to Ben on Exegol would be “Choose love, Ben.” Because losing somebody you love (or fearing it) will usually make you angry. It’s only because he chooses love in the moment, true power, that he can save her, unlike Anakin with Padme. Here’s how that would work - https://drive.google.com/file/d/109i7N-nXjq_YdYVM7nziM2ER2R7MO46j/view?usp=sharing

Oh yeah I hadn’t considered that, either.

But I do genuinely think what I mentioned earlier is worth considering. Right after we return to Ochi’s ship, the original filmmakers were under the assumption that the audience was ready to go back to joking around because they knew it was all gonna be okay. This makes jokes like C-3PO’s awkward group hand-holding seem a little abrupt after such a dark moment. At least with introducing Luke at this moment instead of revealing Chewie is still alive, we remind the audience that this is Star Wars - nobody is ever really dead (especially so in this movie). So it’s at least slightly more warranted to return to a more jovial tone.

I’m also gonna drop the newest Luke part here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wbRulfz03IySD2_hX1CIB04SpSzOGpPA/view?usp=sharing

Just to clarify, Palpatine can still have a hand in how they’re created even if the Force itself was the one that made them. Palpatine uses the Force like a tool and tries to bend it to his own will. That’s the dark twist in what Luke says - they were made to end (kill) him. He wanted Anakin to eventually kill him in anger so he could possess him, and now Rey is on the same path as he was. Palpatine was twisting the Force’s good intentions for his gain throughout the entire saga.

About the Rey line, I can share a few options for people to rip the “am” off of. But it has to be sourced from her quiet(er) lines from earlier in the film.

In the meantime, I’m just gonna drop the completed dyad-duel and hangar scene Kylo lines here. I’m sure some of them will need more options (or maybe even need to be re-written), but I just wanted to get a proof-of-concept done:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1FQYpAd-CS3KHYHjn2mbEK30uiNW9g59i?usp=sharing

That’s what Hal did for Kylo’s “we’ve become a dyad in the Force, Rey”. Personally, I think I preferred the original. But check out v4 there to see if that’s something you’re comfortable with.

Oh damn, you’re so right. For some reason I had it backward this whole time. We need it there for Chewie’s scene to be replaced. And that is a tad early for Luke Skywalker to be appearing in the film. But I suppose it does help in establishing Kylo’s conflict early, as well. And after a legacy character like Chewie is “killed” it would certainly lighten up the mood for a first time viewer.

I think it could work in a hypothetical edit in which Kylo reveals during the hangar scene that Palpatine never wanted him to kill her. Or that they are simply meant to fight each other, and he doesn’t want Rey dead necessarily, just one of them. This is what I’m doing in Nev’s brainstorming thread, currently.

Because we currently have the scene before Endor, the only purpose it serves is reminding us that Palps wants Rey dead and that Kylo knows where she’s going. Arguably, having no such indication that he knows where she’s going would make his sudden appearance on the Death Star better. I like how the novelization describes how Rey is convinced at first that he’s a part of the vision she was just experiencing because it makes no sense for him to be there.

I’d be down to tool around with the scene and use my own voice clones (I’m biased to think they’re better than this reddit user’s at the moment). Of course credit for the original idea should go to them, though.

EDIT: This would also allow Luke to say something to Ben when he finds Rey’s dead body because we’d have precedence for him speaking into his head. Basically whatever we want him to say there to match when Ben twists his head and looks around the shattered throne room for some reason. This whole idea would discredit Palpatine’s statement that he’s been every voice in his head, which I’d say is a good thing so it’s clear Kylo was never being mind controlled.

The reason I never bothered with that line is because she needs to say the line in a very specific way. Somewhat under her breath, whilst she’s simultaneously out of breath and exerting herself, and in a forceful and powerful way. I honestly wouldn’t rely on AI for any line that is supposed to represent a character’s entire journey. Stuff like exposition and that works, but when it’s something people will be scrutinizing I’d rather not bother with it.

If you have ideas for some other lines that can be improved I’ll give them a look. For example, I already re-did “He’s too dangerous” but without a v5 of Ascendant in the foreseeable future that will never see the light of day.

Fair enough. I’m biased in this way because I went into TROS day 1 knowing the whole story due to leaks from a bunch of months prior to release. I still think this approach has its merits, though, even without these other goofy leaks.

Potential Rey movie spoiler tag, my bad:

If the longstanding rumors of the Rey movie are to be believed, it’s understood that Rey will become pregnant by Ben despite the fact that he’s dead. Perhaps they’ll say she became pregnant when Ben poured his life essence into her. This would make sense because the camera lingers on his hand being over her stomach. I’m bringing this up because this whole Rey Chosen One idea would neatly align itself with what’s to come, given that Rey would be conceived of no father, herself. Ben would be doing the light-side inversion of Palpatine bending the Force to his will to create life such as Anakin and Rey, because Ben actually gives up his own life to create life. So while Anakin and Rey are genetically unrelated to Palpatine, Rey’s child(ren) would be authentic/genetic Skywalkers.

Nobody knows all of them for sure yet since he’s saving that for the release. But from what I can tell Obi-Wan learns Vader still lives in the cantina instead of Reva telling him. I’m sure there will be other changes like this that will have an effect on the overall story.

The show can absolutely work as a feature film edit. The thing is that PixelJoker is making huge changes to the story itself. So it will depend on whether you prefer those changes to the story or not to determine if another edit is warranted.

Do we still have that clip of Rey shooting yellow lightning? I honestly wouldn’t mind that as a subtle hint that she isn’t REALLY Palpatine’s granddaughter/heir in both of our edits. Rey thinks she uses the dark side there, as well as the common audience member. But in reality she was using Force judgement - a light side ability.

EDIT: NVM, my bad, it’s already in the Rey Nobody edit.

I will say that the dagger thing is a really good idea for an edit in which Rey is truly a nobody. The only reason I wouldn’t use such a thing on the other thread is because it’s unnecessary when the whole purpose of that concept is that Palpatine may have had a part in manipulating the very nature/destiny of everybody. But this allows you to do the same thing without getting into influencing the creation of life. Granted, that is something that had already been established as something Palpatine was interested in, and not so much fashioning Sith artifacts which possess you Darth Momin style, but it still works.

So take the example of the scene between Finn and Rey on the Falcon. Both of our explanations satisfy why she’s hearing whispers telling her to go destroy Palpatine in her anger. In your case, it’s because this is after she’s retrieved the dagger and it’s influencing her actions. In my case, it’s because she’s just been told her true origin by Kylo and it “unlocked” the nature/purpose that Palpatine planted in her since birth.

EDIT: Ya’ll ever read The Silver Chair by C.S. Lewis? That’s what this other idea reminds me of. Personally I love the idea that Kylo was a good man under a spell by Palpatine. And if he didn’t return to Vader’s mask every so often he’d start to slip back to his normal personality (like how the prince has to sit on the silver chair every night). But others probably prefer character agency, and I can see that argument as well, which is why the other thread’s idea can exist because it places a greater deal of emphasis on that.

I think the biggest problem with dragging Leia into this part of the conversation is that it makes it seem like everyone, from the Skywalkers, Palpatine’s, and Rey herself, share the same blood. Everyone being related to each other by blood is like the last thing I want to suggest as it’s even more egregious than the original TROS. Not to mention the oncoming incest that would entail. That’s why I think we desperately need to maintain that the Force made them at this point, again. This is specifically why I worded Kylo’s dialogue earlier as “Palpatine influenced the Force itself to create life” and “You… are a rightful Palpatine”. The Force made the life, Palpatine is claiming what it made as his own because it wouldn’t have existed in the first place without him. This is an undeniable fact, even in canon. And who knows, perhaps Palpatine did boost them with an extra dose of “you need to fulfill your purpose with all your anger” because that’s what he always wanted them to do - kill him in anger. This is what’s hinted at in the scene between Rey and Finn on the Falcon, now. Rey says that she needs to destroy him in a trance-like state with Sith whispers in the background. So let’s summarize:

1. Kylo reveals to Rey that both of them only exist because Palpatine wanted them to. They are his heirs, destined for power, and must either fight each other for the throne, or put their differences aside and make their own dark order.
2. Luke says they aren’t Palpatine’s, they are the Force’s. They were always meant to end him. And apparently, end him through any means necessary since Vader took such a long time to do it. This is why he talks about some things being stronger than blood - not all offspring of the Force have the same willpower.
3. Rey confronts Palpatine armed with this knowledge. Palpatine explains that because of the hatred and anger in her for him (possibly planted there by himself), her killing him is what he always wanted for “his” creations. Even if she was never a Palpatine by blood, she nonetheless “will be Empress”. He’s basically stating that they’re destined to be family.
4. Rey’s willpower triumphs in the face of impossible darkness. Palpatine finally admits the truth: “You’re nothing! A scavenger girl is no match for the power in me” (this implies she DOESN’T have his power). She later claims herself a Skywalker as she is the offspring of the Force, just like them, and never belonged to her loser parents or Palpatine.

NeverarGreat said:

“What are you most afraid of?”
“Myself.”
“Because you’re a Palpatine? Leia struggled with that same fear.”
“She didn’t tell me…she still trained me.”
“Because she saw your spirit…your heart.”

…

“She was quick to learn in our training. But she feared our family’s darkness within her. She surrendered her saber to me and said that someday it would be picked up again…by someone who would face that darkness, and overcome it.”

Yeah, if I didn’t want to have the second twist of the established truth Palpatine can bring I’d probably have Luke say something like this after “Because you’re a Palpatine?” It mayyyy just be worth it enough to still consider, anyways.

But I like how you wrote the flashback voice over so I’m definitely gonna borrow that, if you don’t mind.

The reason I was testing these things is to make sure they are doable in the first place. I never had many doubts, but it’s good to make sure. I think I’ll go with: “No, we were made to end him, Rey.”

Then of course Palpatine will later claim that this is exactly what he wanted the Skywalkers and her to do for him, leaving the possibility that he still designed them. People are free to take him at his word for this, but I think Rey should deny it so the conclusion of the movie makes sense.

It would rely on whatever he says next to sell it and not be as subtle. But yeah, that’s exactly the reinterpreted vibe of it.

I have a test posted on the other thread, and I’m pretty sure that just redubbing “Because you’re a Palpatine.” to “Because you’re a Palpatine?” allows you to pretty much dispel whatever you want with the next line he says off screen. Remember, he’s expressing in the moment what Rey wants to say herself, but is too scared to. But when he phrases it like a question instead of a statement, it no longer has to be fact.

The only way your other idea would work is if the Rey intro scene were modified, but then you’d be dealing with lips on screen. Seems like quite a bit of work for a reference.