Jar Jar Bricks

Burbin said:

Those are fair points, though I’d argue the Kylo in TLJ embodies the message of “let the past die”. He doesn’t shed his persona, but he clearly takes it in his own path and separates himself from Vader, it’s made clear that him becoming “a new Vader” was Snoke’s ambition, and he ends up killing Snoke and renouncing that path. Learning Rey comes from nowhere further makes him realize his “legacy” didn’t define who he was. So by the end of TLJ it’s pretty clear that living up to Vader’s legacy is as far from Kylo’s goal as possible. He “kills” his past, incuding his obsession with Vader.

Yes, but as I stated, in a roundabout way him doing all that is precisely what Vader sought to do (but was never able to). Snoke, whether he realized it or not, was there as a test to see if Kylo could evolve into Vader+, which would be a worthy candidate for Palpatine and the Sith of the past to transfer their essence into.

jarbear said:

Also, if the focus on the fanedit is to remove the “direct” link of snoke and palpable (aka Snoke the Meat Puppet) then why have that line? If Snoke vats are no more and the idea is Snokes origin is now ambiguous, in that Palps “I made him” is not literal, then why have the line?

Well, I know we don’t have to abide by canon, but Snoke is a strand-cast, or biologically engineered individual. As a result, even I thought it was stupid to show a vat full of Snoke clones, because Snoke ISN’T a clone. That would be like creating an extremely detailed work of art and then creating it exactly the same way a second and third time. It’s near impossible.

As a standcast, he does have his own free will. However, through the manipulation of genetics and Palpatine he is at some times forced to do certain things and think certain ways. And I already stated in my previous post why Snoke’s actions against Kylo actually line up with Palpatine’s.

I mean Kylo literally said, “Show me again, the power of the darkness”. Clearly the mask is showing him visions, and it isn’t a huge leap to assume that means there was conversation as well. To me, Kylo’s arc in TLJ is actually him becoming aware of what living up to Vader’s legacy truly means. Vader didn’t care about the Jedi or the Sith. All he cared about was ruling the galaxy and forgetting about his tragic past, which is exactly what Kylo seeks to do after TLJ. Vader always wanted to destroy Palpatine, and Kylo lived up to that by killing his own master. If he had truly abandoned his quest he would have destroyed Vader’s mask just like his own. I think he just realized how childish it was to assume that just because he had a mask meant he was more like Vader, so in his anger he destroyed it. He only reforged it when he felt he was worthy enough to wear it again.

TL;DR Version: Snoke didn’t crush Kylo’s Vader persona, he only strengthened it.

Cinefy said:

Quite liked the “I have been every voice inside you’re head” where it was from the gecko, not sure how I feel about it moving, if it works could be interesting. Don’t want to see the line lost thats for sure.

+1

What’s wrong with making everything red? Besides the lightsabers of course.

idir_hh said:

Exegol in Red, with Blue Lightning and Blue Sabers
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/liluev/alternate_universe_clip_exegol_in_red_with_blue/

How to get an epileptic seizure 101
https://youtu.be/ECPSdFbUsEo
Red and blue like that is a serious issue. Agreed that it looks pretty cool though.

dgraham414 said:

The concept art may not show a broken crystal but the movie clearly shows it in two pieces

Agreed. You can clearly see a sizable chunk of blue crystal in Rey’s right hand in that shot.

DZ-330 said:

Agreed. I thought I remembered a mock-up shot with the castle in the background with the TIEs flying towards the camera over some burnt up trees. I liked that one shot a lot more.

That clip is only a couple of seconds long I’m pretty sure.

Hal 9000 said:

jonh was working on a couple fixes to the haircut scene last we heard, and then I’ll pass it to skenera to hopefully de-blue it if jonh hasn’t already.

And here’s the opening: https://vimeo.com/506231329

Sorry if I missed something important, but why exactly isn’t the dimmed window castle shot included in this?

Correct, Mustafar is in a finished state. However, it was at one point suggested that a bit of fog is placed beside our current Vader’s castle shot to blend it all together a bit better. Adding a few cracks to the castle’s stone wouldn’t hurt either, but that would be harder to do.

Everybody has their own ideal special edition. My own would most likely be similar to yours, only removing Jedi Rocks and Vader’s “No”. I like the Hayden ghost because it’s what I grew up with. Unfortunately, I don’t think a version like that exists on this site.

Yeah it doesn’t have to be too descriptive. Although I would prefer if the Eye was described for what it actually looks like in canon.

In the new canon comics, Vader actually met with the Eye. And Vader obviously placed him in charge with defending his wayfinder. I think it would be interesting for him to recognize Kylo as the heir of Vader initially (which doesn’t happen in the original novel), and then they could talk from there. I also think it would be interesting if Kylo killed the Eye after he got what he wanted from him.

EDIT: Maybe he could get him angry by saying that he is too conflicted still, but not to fear because he will soon discover his true self. So Kylo kills him in order to try to prove that he can be dark.

CaptainFaraday said:

My only issue is that the Eye requires introduction, which takes time and reader investment, and then never shows up again. I left the stuff with Hux and Pryde because they’re both characters throughout the film, and their scene helps introduce us to both of them, to Kylo, to the First Order and its structure and attitude, to where the plot is headed, and sets up the dynamics of all three characters in relation to each other. The Eye just sets up, well, the Eye, and I think having Kylo talk to a mysterious ancient thing he doesn’t fully understand treads on the toes of Kylo talking to Palpatine.

I feel like these kinds of characters sometimes show up in stories and fairy tales though. Like a wise old hermit or a witch that tells the main character something important about themselves and then vanishes. Of course, this would be the first time something like that appeared in Star Wars.
EDIT: For example, there is the witches from Macbeth. Of course, they appear more later on in the story. But there are other examples as well.

What you are worried about is exactly what happened with the film we got in the end. They opted to deleted virtually everything from the opening on Mustafar. It’s incredibly disappointing that we don’t have the deleted scenes for Hux and Pride as well as the Eye.

Neerb said:

She trained at one of the original Jedi temples and is now the protector of the sacred texts that she took from the library before it was destroyed. As the last Jedi (as far as we know, Filoni…), she’s also the protector of their entire culture in general (a thousand generations live in you now).

Yeah kinda assumed this would be the answer. She’s also the defender of the Skywalker legacy.

All of this talk about her lightsaber reminds me of something. Have we have discussed why her lightsaber is yellow? In canon, only temple guards have them. What exactly is Rey defending? Furthermore, George Lucas prevented Filoni from giving Ashoka a yellow mini-blade in a later season of The Clone Wars, so they instead gave her a yellowish green blade. So according to George Lucas’ rules, Rey’s lightsaber should either be a shade of green or blue.

Honestly, I don’t really care either way but it is definitely something to consider.

Here is the passage from the original novelization:
"The Eye cocked its head, making an eerie squealing noise. It took a moment for Kylo to realize the creature was laughing at him. “No need for that,” the Eye said. “Do you really think my lord would have left it in the guardianship of one who could be swayed by a trick of the Force?”

No, he supposed not.

“You’ve been seeking it for a while, yes? I must warn you, our fiery planet burns away deception. If you proceed down this path, you will encounter your true self.”’

CaptainFaraday said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I would say that the creature guarding the Wayfinder is critical for Kylo’s character arc. He tells him that he will discover his true self at the end of this journey, which is something I wish would have been in the film.

There’s never really a sense in the big print that Kylo feels like he’s rushing towards something in that way, although it could be interesting to build on the conversation with the creature by adding that. Have him assume he’s racing towards one destiny (being Supreme Leader Kylo Ren), then after his conversation with Han, he realises it was actually the opposite this whole time (being a redeemed Ben Solo).

There’s a playful meta to that which I really like - the creature basically points out to him how a character arc works. I’ll keep the idea in mind as I go through the rest of the book.

Yes that’s exactly what I mean. In TLJ he thinks he will only become what he was meant to be when he lets the past die. So when the Eye of Webbish Bog tells him he is about to become what he was meant to be, he’s thinking, “Oh boy, I finally won’t have to deal with all of these feelings of regret and pain. They’ll just vanish.” Instead, he ironically embraces the past in the end to discover he was Ben Solo all along.

I would say that the creature guarding the Wayfinder is critical for Kylo’s character arc. He tells him that he will discover his true self at the end of this journey, which is something I wish would have been in the film.

Samuel95 said:

May I also have a link with audio please?

Sorry to add to the mass of requests.

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