Jar Jar Bricks

TestingOutTheTest said:

Kylo Ren not reforging the mask misses the point. In TLJ, when he becomes the Supreme Leader he learns from his failures in order to avoid repeating them; at first he wanted the past to die, but then realizes it’s a terrible idea after Rey rejects his offer. Him reforging the mask further solidifies his growth as a character from TLJ and reinforces the “learning from failure” message.

As far as a fan edit of the film goes, I agree that the mask must stay for obvious reasons. However, I’m interested to see this change because this project is in text form.

I personally feel like Kylo doesn’t learn from his past failures in TLJ because he is the antagonist. Luke does, while he doesn’t (and suffers as a result).

In order to explain why Kylo reforges his mask in film TROS, you kinda have to embrace the idea that he is still trying to let the past die, at least in my opinion. Vader was a separate person figuratively speaking from Anakin, and he tried and failed to erase all pieces of Anakin’s past. This is what Kylo realizes following his grandfather means in TLJ - eliminating all ties to his previous persona, Ben Solo. It was likely Ben Solo who childishly thought wearing a mask would make him more like his grandfather. So he only reforges it once he feels worthy enough to wear it again, as in he feels he has destroyed enough of his past.

Ultimately, that is a kind of complex narrative though. By removing the reforging I feel it will make his journey easier to understand for the average person.

Regarding the Eye scene, my one recommendation would be that he recognizes he is the heir to Vader (who placed him in charge of guarding it). That should be the main reason he allows Kylo to have it imo. Not sure where you could fit that, though.

Honestly I’m not entirely opposed to a voice clip of Shaw either, despite my small tangent earlier. Shaw did play Anakin Skywalker after all (albeit a very worn down one due to decades of using the dark side and sustaining so many injuries). But since I see the goal of this movie as to tie together all three trilogies, it would he nice to have a subtle callback to his portrayal. Obi-Wan has both young and old voices in this trilogy, so why can’t Anakin?

I guess I’ve never understood the whole fascination with Shaw (probably because of my age). I remember I only owned VHS tapes of the originals as a kid and I always thought it was really disconnecting and immersion breaking to see a grandpa ghost of Anakin in ROTJ. Even at that age I knew there was no way he should be that old at that point (I saw the prequels first). It honestly kinda ruined the movie for me as a kid because I had a hard time suspending my disbelief enough to consider him the same character. Suffice to say, that was one special edition change I actually really enjoyed.

Of course, I am not suggesting that people who like Shaw are in the wrong. It’s a subjective preference that really comes down to what you grew up seeing. But it would be nice to have both ghost options released if jonh does come back and make a Shaw version before v2 is released. Shaw could be in the main file, and perhaps just that small portion of the film with both Hayden and crackles could be released separately so it could be replaced easier. It would really help people like me.

My main concern about having a Shaw ghost is that it would be impossible (at least with my abilities) to revert it back to the way we have it in v1 while still having the crackly saber. And I would want to do that for myself and everyone else who prefers Hayden.

Also, I know Hal isn’t usually interested in hosting multiple versions at once (unless it’s multiple audio tracks).

Another important thing to remember when changing it to Shaw is that currently the movie has Hayden Christensen saying all of Anakin’s lines in the Jedi Voices scene (“Bring back the balance, Rey, as I did.”) It would be pretty jarring to go from a young Anakin’s voice to a 60+ year old man, at least in my opinion.

EDIT: Just remembered that in canon force ghosts can present themselves however they want. My argument for keeping Hayden is that he would want Palpatine to recognize him.

They’re probably trying to lighten the mood. They know Rey feels responsible.

Delpheas said:

Anyone put thought into whether it could work to NOT kill of Leia in this movie?

I feel like that might screw up the ending a bit.

Yeah I’m aware of some of the non-movie canon content, mostly the comic books. But I’ve gotta be honest that was pure guesswork on my part for why he would have done that lol.

Hal 9000 said:

To me, though, there’s not really an issue with the original. And I’m sure there’ll be EU stuff to fill in his story.

I suppose it’s possible that as a moody teenager he ran away from home (the Resistance) and joined up with the wrong people for a while. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the canon answer eventually.

EDIT: Sherlock, you writing that out made me realize how much of their funny banter you would have to cut out to make this work. As much as I would like to get rid of this to avoid stereotypes, I think I’m gonna have to agree with Hal here.

I agree that he should be a double agent, but we still have to clarify that he was posing as a spice runner. Otherwise Finn teasing him as being a spice runner doesn’t make sense (and man I love the banter between those two).

8 hours is already more than enough. Thanks for the work you’ve already done.

Cool! Something can definitely fit into that timeframe. Have you managed to remove the remaining pieces of the previous puppet show as well?

Thing is that they actually don’t go “back to the search” after that. That’s when the lady asks Rey her last name (another reason why this addition works so well).

sherlockpotter said:

Depending on how exactly the whole festival sequence is cut together, maybe Rey could even be looking around aimlessly, then she hears “Dooba jabba Skywalker!” Or whatever, and that’s what causes her to look over at the puppet show?

And then it could be something like Luke hopping up and down around the walker, saying “Ha ha!” And the kiddies laugh at that.

Omg this. Totally.

And DZ, I believe that is the intention. He is considered a myth in TFA, the myth is proven factual in TLJ, and it brings the entire galaxy together in TROS.

jarbear said:

Not very techy, at all, as for inserting “Skywalker” in it … is it possible or helpful to remove or voice over him with a “new voice” and says whatever he says, but the “new voice” then uses the “Skywalker” line whenever. I would think that may help it sound more natural than how he sounds and then a random “Skywalker” that doesn’t quite match it?

I had considered this as well. The only problem is that whoever voice acts this would have to be proficient in their particular gibberish. Maybe it isn’t as complicated as it sounds?

DominicCobb said:

Arguably you might not even need to have anything happen at all. Just have the puppet bounce around the frame a bit, almost tauntingly. That might actually be the best thing to do regardless.

If we’re sticking to the one second then this would make the most sense.

jarbear said:

Also, for dialogue sake, if it helps, maybe even a simple line of “The Jedi” could help if it is easier to implement than “Luke Skywalker.” Dunno if that helps with anything, but maybe for the alien dialogue? Jabba the Hutt did use, in “english”, “Jedi” and “Jedi Mind trick.” It may … feel more natural?

The kids at the end of TLJ are speaking in another language and still say “Luke Skywalker”. It sounds natural in that scene. I think it would be best to simplify it to “Skywalker” though, as it matches the title more accurately.

jarbear said:

Add a banner somewhere:

“The Luke Skywalker Show”

😛

And then we make a special edition of Ascendant to replace the English text with Aurebesh.

Just joking around of course.

Yeah I was the one who mentioned the whole stretching of the truth with the story.

Anyways, I agree that only Luke knocking the fire back like a baseball and destroying the walker would be funny enough for the children to laugh.

We could keep it at only a second long if we add in the alien saying “Skywalker”. Or the children could mention Skywalker.

TestingOutTheTest said:

When is Darth Vader seen with a TV?

Empire Strikes Back. He chokes the guy through it.

Yeah I think he was trying to make up for the constant discomfort he experiences due to missing limbs and 3rd degree burns.

Joking aside, I always thought it was strange how Darth Vader was the only character with a TV. Everyone else uses holograms.

Movies Remastered said:

This is around 8 hours of work so far on the Puppet removal. It’s really tricky to get the pattern of the material looking like it hasn’t been clone stamped and mimicking the wind blowing in the background. It’s probably going to take another 10 mask layers to get right…

https://youtu.be/qqyof6r0iqg

MR, your efforts are much appreciated. Thank you. I’m sure you’ll get there eventually.

At least the clip is only a second or so long, otherwise we would be in a real pickle right now.

RogueLeader said:

I know Chase said he could film it, but I think I could make the puppets and film this too, if someone could just make a clean plate to put it on.

MR is working on that but he said he is having a few technical difficulties. His post is somewhere above.