Jar Jar Bricks

Like I said, I feel like it’s subtle, but maybe that’s just because I’m looking for it.

I would like an opinion - does poppa’s added in line feel natural to the rest of you? It’s the “you were right” line.

I only ask because I know what line was changed, and as a result I always am anticipating the subtle differences. Maybe it sounds just fine and I’m imagining it.

I feel like this is an important thing to discuss if we’re going to try the same thing again with another line.

I forgot to mention - if placing the word “become” in Kylo’s dyad sentence doesn’t sound natural then I don’t think it’s a good idea to put it in there. I feel like at that point it would cause more harm than good.

Brewzter said:

RogueLeader said:

It could be along the lines of the theory that Palpatine/Plagueis inadvertently created Anakin/the Chosen One. They thought they could use him, but in the end it was their undoing.

The story group has come out and disproved this many times:

https://imgur.com/a/nwqxEzX

Actually, we are taking about an inadvertent creation. I believe the current story is that Plagueis was messing around with midichlorians, and in response it was the force itself which created Anakin. So while they did not directly create him, their actions caused a response which did.

sherlockpotter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

sherlockpotter said:

It’s the same reason why I don’t like Rey Palpatine. It makes her special because of what she is, not who she is. At least if she “becomes” a Dyad along the way, that’s mitigated somewhat. If she’s born a Dyad AND a Palpatine, she becomes a double-chosen one.

I believe our disagreement here can be figured out by how we view Star Wars.

If you were to take a look at old myths and legends, you would find that most of the time the characters that were written about were special because of what they were, and not necessarily who they were. George Lucas wrote Star Wars while taking inspiration from many of these old myths and legends, and that is why I advocate for elements of the story which might reflect this.

From what I understand, you take Star Wars from a more modern-day storytelling approach. That’s fine. Nothing wrong with it. But I find this other element of Star Wars is what makes it unique compared to most other stories you find today.

Totally fair and valid interpretation. I guess in my mind, Luke was special, Anakin was literally The Chosen One. It’s been done before. So I really dug Rian Johnson’s modern take on self-made heroes, not mythic ones. Let’s shake up the formula a bit. Make it a little more (in my mind) thought-provoking.

But I think that’s why I’m holding out for Rey Nobody, and you’ll probably stick with V2, eh?

In my mind, Rian Johnson’s modern take on Star Wars would have been wonderful in its own disconnected trilogy set in the Star Wars universe. But as part of the mythic Skywalker Saga? Meh, I’ll pass. That’s why I appreciate TROS’ attempts at bringing back some strangeness to the saga.

sherlockpotter said:

It’s the same reason why I don’t like Rey Palpatine. It makes her special because of what she is, not who she is. At least if she “becomes” a Dyad along the way, that’s mitigated somewhat. If she’s born a Dyad AND a Palpatine, she becomes a double-chosen one.

I believe our disagreement here can be figured out by how we view Star Wars.

If you were to take a look at old myths and legends, you would find that most of the time the characters that were written about were special because of what they were, and not necessarily who they were. George Lucas wrote Star Wars while taking inspiration from many of these old myths and legends, and that is why I advocate for elements of the story which might reflect this.

From what I understand, you take Star Wars from a more modern-day storytelling approach. That’s fine. Nothing wrong with it. But I find this other element of Star Wars is what makes it unique compared to most other stories you find today.

RogueLeader said:

Maybe Snoke did bridge their minds, which inadvertently solidified their bond and made them become a Dyad in the Force. So Snoke/Palpatine’s own machinations led to their undoing once again.

Pretty sure this is what Hal is going for. Although, if it was my trilogy of sequel fan edits I’d go all in on the “they’ve been a dyad for a really long time” approach. It just adds to the overall mysticism of the story (which I like about Star Wars), wherein the force hand-selected the two of them at some point to become a dyad when they didn’t even know each other.

And Hal, since you’re keeping Snoke’s mind bridge line I agree it would be best to change this line. Otherwise, in order for things to make sense you would need to insert “It is you” into TFA and remove Snoke’s mind bridge lines from TLJ. I know those changes would be controversial, and you most likely don’t want to return to them, either. So just do this small change to have things make a little more sense for what we currently have in your trilogy.

bbghost said:

I’d always just assumed that was Snoke lying through his crooked yellow teeth to further manipulate Kylo, as Sith(-adjacent) lords are wont to do. He’d seen into Kylo’s mind and discovered their bond, deciding to take credit for it to try and undermine/complicated their feelings for each other.

I have no doubt that is most likely going to be the canon answer at some point (or already), and was the intention the writers of TROS had when creating the concept of the dyad. But it’s just kinda messy. And they didn’t have the opportunity (like us) to go back and change certain small details in the previous films.

Fair enough, Brewzter. I just don’t like it when these kind of crucial details rely on the audience knowing what the character said was a lie, especially when it is never explicitly proven to be one. This is why I remove it from TLJ, but apparently that removes one of the greatest film twists of all time (sarcasm). Personally, I feel that Snoke taking advantage of their mind link instead of creating it is still a good twist, but whatever.

I was going to bring up the “It is you” line in Hal’s TFA edit thread but I realized he was likely already finished with that movie. It’s completely voiced by Adam Driver in the lego game and would be pretty easy to insert, but ultimately it just creates problems if Snoke is the one who claims that he bridged their minds.

Pretty sure the only reason JJ wrote it that way (“we’re a dyad in the force”) is because of a couple lines from TFA.

1. Kylo asking his officer “What girl?”, which gives the impression that he is aware of some mysterious girl out there that he keeps having visions/dreams of.
2. Kylo saying “It is you.” in early drafts of film TFA after Rey gets Anakin’s lightsaber. The line still appears in the novelization and is voiced by Adam Driver in the lego game. The line implies once again that he has had visions of her or knows there is some sort of connection between them.

You can get the audio from this point in TFA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOgkJD3fzAo

Give it a whirl if you want, but personally it’s not that big of a deal to me so I won’t bother with it.

First, as for why the lightning disintegrates him in this movie, he was putting all of his UnLiMiTeD power into it. In ROTS, he was clearly creating a show for Anakin in order to tempt him.

Second, I wouldn’t mind the change to the word “become” (even though my TLJ edit removes Snoke admitting to bridging their minds). I say that because obviously at some point they’ve become a dyad in the force, I just prefer to leave it up to interpretation (my personal idea is that it started in the interrogation scene).

sherlockpotter said:

Don’t we literally see his face melting in the original cut? That doesn’t imply “Palpatine’s real look” to me.

Like I said, not very well implied in the film. He was purposely manipulating the visuals to look that way. Either that, or what you see “melting” is his fake face. Otherwise, why don’t other characters turn into a mini-Palpatine when they are electrocuted?

I believe the novelization that was released around the same time of the movie talks about it. Palpatine thinks to himself, and I’m paraphrasing here, that the face of Sidious will prove helpful in convincing the galaxy to stay by his side, and that the face of Palpatine has served its purpose.

So Hal’s change to ROTS just makes that idea more clear.

sherlockpotter said:

This may be totally impossible, but I’m just spitballing. If we cut around the “Hux is a spy” stuff, would it be possible to imply that Pryde kills Hux in order to merge the First Order with the Final Order on Palpatine’s…er, orders? So it’s like Pryde is staging a coup, as a Palpatine cultist, in order to bring the First Order resources to Exegol?

Not sure if there’s enough footage to effectively portray this, but I thought it was an intriguing angle. The Spy stuff can almost definitely be removed; I have an edit of the Poe’s return/“What did you do to the Falcon?” scene somewhere that I made as a proof of concept.

Removing the spy plot thread would be a really complicated matter which would remove several portions of the film. Imo not worth removing as it would make the pacing even more quick.

EDIT: My previous comment on everything else we discussed ended up on the previous page. Check that out as well if you want.

You could make the argument that they purposely made the clone bodies more attuned to the dark side, thus resulting in that appearance. However, the one Palpatine is currently in either didn’t have those modifications (as a prototype) or his spirit rapidly decayed those enhancements already.

Even in the original ROTS, that is Palpatines real look. It’s just not implied very well in the film because Palpatine is purposely making it look like he is being injured, even though he isn’t. It was a manipulation tactic done by himself against Anakin (and the galaxy as well).

shuffle said:

Bobson Dugnutt said:

Version 2 is now released! It’s uploaded in the same place as before, meaning that the same link will work if you still have it.

Please PM me for it instead of asking for it in the thread.

I pm’d you but didn’t get a response. Can I get them please?

I gotcha one minute…
PM sent

I’m not opposed to removing the “anymore” in “that’s not you anymore”. Although, for some reason, I fail to understand what exactly that would accomplish. So I’m just kinda neutral about it.

It’s such a unique name that I figured I might as well ask. Would be funny if it was actually you though lmao.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Just changing the subject - does MR have any status updates on the clean puppet plate? As in, does he think it’s possible to do?

We can all agree that he is not allowed to sleep and work on it non stop. Granted, he may go crazy and lose his mind … but sacrifices must be made.

Right MR?!

Yeah sorry I knew somebody would misinterpret what I said. I was legitimately asking whether he thought it would be possible to do it eventually because he mentioned he was having some difficulties with it. Sorry if it appeared I was being impatient because I was genuinely curious.

Bro I didn’t mean that at all, I wanted to make a funny comment about MR and working on this thing. I know fun hearted comments can be hard to tell in text without hearing it/body language.

My bad!

I’m pretty chill and like all these discussions and get everybody’s take on things, I hope I don’t come across as one of those “my idea is right and your wrong and … and … agree or else” vibe at all.

Lol that’s what’s great about these discussions, get to hear all sides and learn things.

Your cool jar jar!

Oh I’m glad to hear that.

Hey, this is going to sound like an extremely random question - but do you play Destiny 2 on steam? I was playing the other day and I played against somebody named jarbear and they absolutely destroyed me. It was probably just somebody else with the same name but still, thought I might as well ask.

Sounds good MR. I know we’re waiting on some other things as well so take your time. Was just making sure it’s possible is all.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Just changing the subject - does MR have any status updates on the clean puppet plate? As in, does he think it’s possible to do?

We can all agree that he is not allowed to sleep and work on it non stop. Granted, he may go crazy and lose his mind … but sacrifices must be made.

Right MR?!

Yeah sorry I knew somebody would misinterpret what I said. I was legitimately asking whether he thought it would be possible to do it eventually because he mentioned he was having some difficulties with it. Sorry if it appeared I was being impatient because I was genuinely curious.

Yes and I really enjoy that. We were discussing whether we should be excusing character banter on Kijimi. I was simply pointing out that they had already given adequate reverence (imo) to him and the banter makes sense because they’re trying to cheer each other up but others disagree.

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

jarbear said:

Nope. Let us feel. The reward of knowing Chewy is ok is that much sweeter for teh audience instead of laughing the way till we see him.

As I stated in my previous post, the movie still gives you the opportunity to feel. It all takes place on the Falcon in a relatively long scene.

Relatively long scene? It’s like 4 lines.

Relatively long in comparison to the rapid pace of the rest of the movie lol. And you are only considering the conversation between Rey and Finn. In this edit (not sure about the movie), it then leads into Poe joining their conversation where they also talk about losing Chewie.