Version 2 is now released! It’s uploaded in the same place as before, meaning that the same link will work if you still have it.
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I’m not opposed to removing the “anymore” in “that’s not you anymore”. Although, for some reason, I fail to understand what exactly that would accomplish. So I’m just kinda neutral about it.
It’s such a unique name that I figured I might as well ask. Would be funny if it was actually you though lmao.
Just changing the subject - does MR have any status updates on the clean puppet plate? As in, does he think it’s possible to do?
We can all agree that he is not allowed to sleep and work on it non stop. Granted, he may go crazy and lose his mind … but sacrifices must be made.
Right MR?!
Yeah sorry I knew somebody would misinterpret what I said. I was legitimately asking whether he thought it would be possible to do it eventually because he mentioned he was having some difficulties with it. Sorry if it appeared I was being impatient because I was genuinely curious.
Bro I didn’t mean that at all, I wanted to make a funny comment about MR and working on this thing. I know fun hearted comments can be hard to tell in text without hearing it/body language.
My bad!
I’m pretty chill and like all these discussions and get everybody’s take on things, I hope I don’t come across as one of those “my idea is right and your wrong and … and … agree or else” vibe at all.
Lol that’s what’s great about these discussions, get to hear all sides and learn things.
Your cool jar jar!
Oh I’m glad to hear that.
Hey, this is going to sound like an extremely random question - but do you play Destiny 2 on steam? I was playing the other day and I played against somebody named jarbear and they absolutely destroyed me. It was probably just somebody else with the same name but still, thought I might as well ask.
Sounds good MR. I know we’re waiting on some other things as well so take your time. Was just making sure it’s possible is all.
Just changing the subject - does MR have any status updates on the clean puppet plate? As in, does he think it’s possible to do?
We can all agree that he is not allowed to sleep and work on it non stop. Granted, he may go crazy and lose his mind … but sacrifices must be made.
Right MR?!
Yeah sorry I knew somebody would misinterpret what I said. I was legitimately asking whether he thought it would be possible to do it eventually because he mentioned he was having some difficulties with it. Sorry if it appeared I was being impatient because I was genuinely curious.
Yes and I really enjoy that. We were discussing whether we should be excusing character banter on Kijimi. I was simply pointing out that they had already given adequate reverence (imo) to him and the banter makes sense because they’re trying to cheer each other up but others disagree.
Nope. Let us feel. The reward of knowing Chewy is ok is that much sweeter for teh audience instead of laughing the way till we see him.
As I stated in my previous post, the movie still gives you the opportunity to feel. It all takes place on the Falcon in a relatively long scene.
Relatively long scene? It’s like 4 lines.
Relatively long in comparison to the rapid pace of the rest of the movie lol. And you are only considering the conversation between Rey and Finn. In this edit (not sure about the movie), it then leads into Poe joining their conversation where they also talk about losing Chewie.
Just changing the subject - does MR have any status updates on the clean puppet plate? As in, does he think it’s possible to do?
EDIT: Not to mention, in ANH, they were celebrating the fact that they defeated the TIE Fighters and escaped from the Empire’s Super-Duper weapon. That’s a bigger priority at the moment than Ben dying. Would anybody be expected to just sit around and mope while they’re under attack? The two scenes aren’t remotely comparable.
You could use that argument here as well. There is a bigger priority at the moment than Chewie dying. Would anybody be expected to not try to cheer everyone else up while a resurrected Palpatine is about to unleash thousands of Star Destroyers on the galaxy and you’re the only ones who can stop it?
Man, we’re just going to keep going in circles. Unless Hal’s opinion has changed, I think I’m done here for now lmao.
I think a good example here is the death of Ben Kenobi in ANH. Luke grieves for him for maybe a minute, and then it’s back to “Great, kid. Don’t get cocky!”, screams of triumph, and a happy celebration for escaping. Does that disgrace Ben’s death? No, because eventually we find out he becomes a force ghost, so retroactively this type of behavior is more excusable right after his death.
We didn’t need the trio grieving Ben any more than that. We needed the thrills of the plot to keep going, even if it didn’t necessarily make sense.
If you think that two minutes is enough time to mourn the death of a cultural icon, then great.
Not what I’m suggesting. I’m saying that if the movie spends so much time on reminding the audience of Chewie’s death, then all of that time is spent ultimately for nothing (except a heightened sense of relief maybe). But relief only works on a first time viewing. And after a first time watcher sees the movie, they might think it was cheap to drag out the grief for that long only to go back on it. Two minutes of screentime is enough time for the characters to think an icon has just died. But why subject the audience to more than that when it will be undone?
I will say that I can see where you’re coming from, but I’d rather not lose any of the dialogue lol.
Nope. Let us feel. The reward of knowing Chewy is ok is that much sweeter for teh audience instead of laughing the way till we see him.
As I stated in my previous post, the movie still gives you the opportunity to feel. It all takes place on the Falcon in a relatively long scene. My rationale is this: why should the movie dwell on that grief any more than that when it turns out he was ok all along? It makes it much more restrictive as to what the characters are allowed to say/do on Kijimi… but for no reason whatsoever in the big picture (since he’s alive).
I can understand the change possibly for those who haven’t seen the film before. But for those of us who know Chewie is still alive it is taking away lines that some of us enjoy (“We could do this all night”, etc.), utlimately for no good reason.
The film should want you to feel sad that Chewie is dead, not, “Lol it’s fine! Here are some jokes!” The emotional beat doesn’t land if the film undermines it in the next scene - that’s the same exact reason why the Chewie Reveal scene was cut from Ascendant in the first place.
Interesting choice of words there: “the next scene”. If you take a look at the movie, the next scene is actually a whole grieving scene that takes place on the Falcon. As a result, the film has already accomplished making you feel sad. I believe what we’re arguing about is whether or not the film should remain on that grief for an extended period of time or keep the plot going without that weighing down its options (since he is actually still alive).
I watched your video and like it MR.
It’s really clean and fits with the “seriousness” of what’s going on with the situation
I mean, the way I always interpreted it is that he knows Zorri would never actually shoot him. They had a thing going for a while there and he probably believes she’s just venting her frustrations at him.
Furthermore, I personally feel like it’s a good idea to try to make the audience feel a bit better after the last portion of the movie “killed off” a beloved character. Sure, maybe it isn’t right for the trio to be acting that upbeat but it might be what the audience needs to keep them invested until Chewie is revealed to still be alive.
Would be interested to see what Hal has to say about this, though.
ESB:R -
Track 1 - New audio mix featuring Jason Wingreen’s original Boba Fett dub.
Track 2 - Same audio mix as above but with Temuera Morrison’s Boba Fett dub.
Omg this is the best news I’ve heard all day. Until The Mandalorian came out I preferred Revisited, but then I realized I wanted Temuera again. Think I might create a PayPal account just to chip in a bit.
EDIT: Done. I appreciate you making this a fundraiser instead of a “pay to get access to the content” unlike, ahem, others who will not be mentioned.
That’s great! Definitely an improvement, I’ll add it in if that’s alright. I was worried that it would overcomplicate the core idea being conveyed, but it just strengthens it. And that final line is fantastic as a result; the final line I’d written was the part I was least happy with, too.
Nope it’s fine you can use it. That’s why I wrote it out in the first place lol.
One question though: is the reason Kylo tries to strike down the Eye because he is creeped out by how much he knows about him and his past? I tried to modify his lines to be a copy/paste of Kylo’s lines from TFA/TLJ because I thought that might be what you were going for.
EDIT: Maybe to make it clear why he would want him dead, have his first line be something like: "I know what you seek, and then some, heir of Vader.
Yeah like I said it would be somewhat difficult to include in there. I agree that he is much better served as an unexplained deity that supernaturally knows how the story ends for the main character. But I feel it wouldn’t hurt for him to know even more about Kylo (his heritage).
If I was to modify what you have written it would be like the following (changes in bold):
The creature spoke to Kylo in a soft, distant voice, directly into his head. “I am the Eye of Webbish-Bog. I know what you seek, heir of Vader.”
“You will give it to me,” Kylo ordered with a wave of his hand.
“No need for that,” the Eye said plainly. “Do you really think your grandfather would have left it in the stewardship of one who could be swayed so easily by a trick of the Force?”
No, he supposed not.
“I must warn you,” the Eye continued. “If you proceed down this path, you will embrace your destiny. You will become what you were meant to be.”
At these words, ambition burned in Kylo. He had killed the past and watched it die, time and time again, only for it return to haunt him. This creature knew it.
“I know what awaits,” he replied. “Where the contents of that chest will take me.”
“Oh yes,” said the Eye. “You know. You certainly know!”
It cocked its head, making an eerie squealing noise. It took a moment for Kylo to realize the creature was laughing at him.
“Yes, you know,” it said. “Finish what he started!”
Kylo’s lightsaber burst to life as he raised it above his head, but the Eye of Webbish-Bog had already sunk beneath the water, leaving only an uncannily still surface and the echo of its unpleasant squealing laugh.
The final line has a double meaning. Vader wanted to rule the galaxy, but also his original intentions were to save the one he cares about from dying (which is what Ben ends up doing with Rey).
I’m not sold, but it would introduce a sunRISE.
It’d have to be subtle enough not to make the scene hard to see. The fire and everything would need to look bright.
It could be better, I don’t have the set up to properly grade it and the like but I think done right it could make Luke lifting the x wing seem more striking.
It does make the place seem more like Dagobah, which helps the allusion be even more clear. Although arguably that allusion to Yoda is already clearer than day (no pun intended).
Love it. Nice work everyone.
Kylo Ren not reforging the mask misses the point. In TLJ, when he becomes the Supreme Leader he learns from his failures in order to avoid repeating them; at first he wanted the past to die, but then realizes it’s a terrible idea after Rey rejects his offer. Him reforging the mask further solidifies his growth as a character from TLJ and reinforces the “learning from failure” message.
As far as a fan edit of the film goes, I agree that the mask must stay for obvious reasons. However, I’m interested to see this change because this project is in text form.
I personally feel like Kylo doesn’t learn from his failures in TLJ because he is the antagonist. Luke does, while he doesn’t (and suffers as a result).
In order to explain why Kylo reforges his mask in TROS, you kinda have to embrace the idea that he is still trying to let the past die, at least in my opinion. Vader was a separate person figuratively speaking from Anakin, and he tried and failed to erase all pieces of Anakin’s past. This is what Kylo realizes following his grandfather means in TLJ - eliminating all ties to his previous persona, Ben Solo. It was likely Ben Solo who childishly thought wearing a mask would make him more like his grandfather. So he only reforges it once he feels worthy enough to wear it again, as in he feels he has destroyed enough of his past.
Then why the hell does he stop letting the past die in TLJ? At first he wanted to rule with Rey and create something new, destroying the Jedi, Sith, Rebels, etc., but she rejects him and he just decides to become Supreme Leader of the First Order. Because he’s learned from his failures. He’s learned that letting the past die is a BAD idea.
That’s growth.
I’d rather not drag this conversation out any further because it isn’t releated to this fan edit of the novelization, but I will respond one more time to this.
Arguably, ruling as the Supreme Leader of the First Order IS something new and different from the past. Kylo is not a Sith ruler. He was simply offering Rey the position of Co-Supreme Leader.
It’s all Vader ever wanted as well - ruling the galaxy with his family. He didn’t care about the Sith or the Jedi. He just wanted him, his wife, and children to “make things the way we want them to be.” He was willing to kill all other ties in his past in order to make that happen.
Kylo Ren not reforging the mask misses the point. In TLJ, when he becomes the Supreme Leader he learns from his failures in order to avoid repeating them; at first he wanted the past to die, but then realizes it’s a terrible idea after Rey rejects his offer. Him reforging the mask further solidifies his growth as a character from TLJ and reinforces the “learning from failure” message.
As far as a fan edit of the film goes, I agree that the mask must stay for obvious reasons. However, I’m interested to see this change because this project is in text form.
I personally feel like Kylo doesn’t learn from his past failures in TLJ because he is the antagonist. Luke does, while he doesn’t (and suffers as a result).
In order to explain why Kylo reforges his mask in film TROS, you kinda have to embrace the idea that he is still trying to let the past die, at least in my opinion. Vader was a separate person figuratively speaking from Anakin, and he tried and failed to erase all pieces of Anakin’s past. This is what Kylo realizes following his grandfather means in TLJ - eliminating all ties to his previous persona, Ben Solo. It was likely Ben Solo who childishly thought wearing a mask would make him more like his grandfather. So he only reforges it once he feels worthy enough to wear it again, as in he feels he has destroyed enough of his past.
Ultimately, that is a kind of complex narrative though. By removing the reforging I feel it will make his journey easier to understand for the average person.
Regarding the Eye scene, my one recommendation would be that he recognizes he is the heir to Vader (who placed him in charge of guarding it). That should be the main reason he allows Kylo to have it imo. Not sure where you could fit that, though.
Honestly I’m not entirely opposed to a voice clip of Shaw either, despite my small tangent earlier. Shaw did play Anakin Skywalker after all (albeit a very worn down one due to decades of using the dark side and sustaining so many injuries). But since I see the goal of this movie as to tie together all three trilogies, it would he nice to have a subtle callback to his portrayal. Obi-Wan has both young and old voices in this trilogy, so why can’t Anakin?
I guess I’ve never understood the whole fascination with Shaw (probably because of my age). I remember I only owned VHS tapes of the originals as a kid and I always thought it was really disconnecting and immersion breaking to see a grandpa ghost of Anakin in ROTJ. Even at that age I knew there was no way he should be that old at that point (I saw the prequels first). It honestly kinda ruined the movie for me as a kid because I had a hard time suspending my disbelief enough to consider him the same character. Suffice to say, that was one special edition change I actually really enjoyed.
Of course, I am not suggesting that people who like Shaw are in the wrong. It’s a subjective preference that really comes down to what you grew up seeing. But it would be nice to have both ghost options released if jonh does come back and make a Shaw version before v2 is released. Shaw could be in the main file, and perhaps just that small portion of the film with both Hayden and crackles could be released separately so it could be replaced easier. It would really help people like me.