Jar Jar Bricks

Fair enough, Brewzter. I just don’t like it when these kind of crucial details rely on the audience knowing what the character said was a lie, especially when it is never explicitly proven to be one. This is why I remove it from TLJ, but apparently that removes one of the greatest film twists of all time (sarcasm). Personally, I feel that Snoke taking advantage of their mind link instead of creating it is still a good twist, but whatever.

I was going to bring up the “It is you” line in Hal’s TFA edit thread but I realized he was likely already finished with that movie. It’s completely voiced by Adam Driver in the lego game and would be pretty easy to insert, but ultimately it just creates problems if Snoke is the one who claims that he bridged their minds.

Pretty sure the only reason JJ wrote it that way (“we’re a dyad in the force”) is because of a couple lines from TFA.

1. Kylo asking his officer “What girl?”, which gives the impression that he is aware of some mysterious girl out there that he keeps having visions/dreams of.
2. Kylo saying “It is you.” in early drafts of film TFA after Rey gets Anakin’s lightsaber. The line still appears in the novelization and is voiced by Adam Driver in the lego game. The line implies once again that he has had visions of her or knows there is some sort of connection between them.

You can get the audio from this point in TFA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOgkJD3fzAo

Give it a whirl if you want, but personally it’s not that big of a deal to me so I won’t bother with it.

First, as for why the lightning disintegrates him in this movie, he was putting all of his UnLiMiTeD power into it. In ROTS, he was clearly creating a show for Anakin in order to tempt him.

Second, I wouldn’t mind the change to the word “become” (even though my TLJ edit removes Snoke admitting to bridging their minds). I say that because obviously at some point they’ve become a dyad in the force, I just prefer to leave it up to interpretation (my personal idea is that it started in the interrogation scene).

sherlockpotter said:

Don’t we literally see his face melting in the original cut? That doesn’t imply “Palpatine’s real look” to me.

Like I said, not very well implied in the film. He was purposely manipulating the visuals to look that way. Either that, or what you see “melting” is his fake face. Otherwise, why don’t other characters turn into a mini-Palpatine when they are electrocuted?

I believe the novelization that was released around the same time of the movie talks about it. Palpatine thinks to himself, and I’m paraphrasing here, that the face of Sidious will prove helpful in convincing the galaxy to stay by his side, and that the face of Palpatine has served its purpose.

So Hal’s change to ROTS just makes that idea more clear.

sherlockpotter said:

This may be totally impossible, but I’m just spitballing. If we cut around the “Hux is a spy” stuff, would it be possible to imply that Pryde kills Hux in order to merge the First Order with the Final Order on Palpatine’s…er, orders? So it’s like Pryde is staging a coup, as a Palpatine cultist, in order to bring the First Order resources to Exegol?

Not sure if there’s enough footage to effectively portray this, but I thought it was an intriguing angle. The Spy stuff can almost definitely be removed; I have an edit of the Poe’s return/“What did you do to the Falcon?” scene somewhere that I made as a proof of concept.

Removing the spy plot thread would be a really complicated matter which would remove several portions of the film. Imo not worth removing as it would make the pacing even more quick.

EDIT: My previous comment on everything else we discussed ended up on the previous page. Check that out as well if you want.

You could make the argument that they purposely made the clone bodies more attuned to the dark side, thus resulting in that appearance. However, the one Palpatine is currently in either didn’t have those modifications (as a prototype) or his spirit rapidly decayed those enhancements already.

Even in the original ROTS, that is Palpatines real look. It’s just not implied very well in the film because Palpatine is purposely making it look like he is being injured, even though he isn’t. It was a manipulation tactic done by himself against Anakin (and the galaxy as well).

shuffle said:

Bobson Dugnutt said:

Version 2 is now released! It’s uploaded in the same place as before, meaning that the same link will work if you still have it.

Please PM me for it instead of asking for it in the thread.

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I’m not opposed to removing the “anymore” in “that’s not you anymore”. Although, for some reason, I fail to understand what exactly that would accomplish. So I’m just kinda neutral about it.

It’s such a unique name that I figured I might as well ask. Would be funny if it was actually you though lmao.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Just changing the subject - does MR have any status updates on the clean puppet plate? As in, does he think it’s possible to do?

We can all agree that he is not allowed to sleep and work on it non stop. Granted, he may go crazy and lose his mind … but sacrifices must be made.

Right MR?!

Yeah sorry I knew somebody would misinterpret what I said. I was legitimately asking whether he thought it would be possible to do it eventually because he mentioned he was having some difficulties with it. Sorry if it appeared I was being impatient because I was genuinely curious.

Bro I didn’t mean that at all, I wanted to make a funny comment about MR and working on this thing. I know fun hearted comments can be hard to tell in text without hearing it/body language.

My bad!

I’m pretty chill and like all these discussions and get everybody’s take on things, I hope I don’t come across as one of those “my idea is right and your wrong and … and … agree or else” vibe at all.

Lol that’s what’s great about these discussions, get to hear all sides and learn things.

Your cool jar jar!

Oh I’m glad to hear that.

Hey, this is going to sound like an extremely random question - but do you play Destiny 2 on steam? I was playing the other day and I played against somebody named jarbear and they absolutely destroyed me. It was probably just somebody else with the same name but still, thought I might as well ask.

Sounds good MR. I know we’re waiting on some other things as well so take your time. Was just making sure it’s possible is all.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Just changing the subject - does MR have any status updates on the clean puppet plate? As in, does he think it’s possible to do?

We can all agree that he is not allowed to sleep and work on it non stop. Granted, he may go crazy and lose his mind … but sacrifices must be made.

Right MR?!

Yeah sorry I knew somebody would misinterpret what I said. I was legitimately asking whether he thought it would be possible to do it eventually because he mentioned he was having some difficulties with it. Sorry if it appeared I was being impatient because I was genuinely curious.

Yes and I really enjoy that. We were discussing whether we should be excusing character banter on Kijimi. I was simply pointing out that they had already given adequate reverence (imo) to him and the banter makes sense because they’re trying to cheer each other up but others disagree.

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

jarbear said:

Nope. Let us feel. The reward of knowing Chewy is ok is that much sweeter for teh audience instead of laughing the way till we see him.

As I stated in my previous post, the movie still gives you the opportunity to feel. It all takes place on the Falcon in a relatively long scene.

Relatively long scene? It’s like 4 lines.

Relatively long in comparison to the rapid pace of the rest of the movie lol. And you are only considering the conversation between Rey and Finn. In this edit (not sure about the movie), it then leads into Poe joining their conversation where they also talk about losing Chewie.

Just changing the subject - does MR have any status updates on the clean puppet plate? As in, does he think it’s possible to do?

sherlockpotter said:

EDIT: Not to mention, in ANH, they were celebrating the fact that they defeated the TIE Fighters and escaped from the Empire’s Super-Duper weapon. That’s a bigger priority at the moment than Ben dying. Would anybody be expected to just sit around and mope while they’re under attack? The two scenes aren’t remotely comparable.

You could use that argument here as well. There is a bigger priority at the moment than Chewie dying. Would anybody be expected to not try to cheer everyone else up while a resurrected Palpatine is about to unleash thousands of Star Destroyers on the galaxy and you’re the only ones who can stop it?

Man, we’re just going to keep going in circles. Unless Hal’s opinion has changed, I think I’m done here for now lmao.

I think a good example here is the death of Ben Kenobi in ANH. Luke grieves for him for maybe a minute, and then it’s back to “Great, kid. Don’t get cocky!”, screams of triumph, and a happy celebration for escaping. Does that disgrace Ben’s death? No, because eventually we find out he becomes a force ghost, so retroactively this type of behavior is more excusable right after his death.

We didn’t need the trio grieving Ben any more than that. We needed the thrills of the plot to keep going, even if it didn’t necessarily make sense.

sherlockpotter said:

If you think that two minutes is enough time to mourn the death of a cultural icon, then great.

Not what I’m suggesting. I’m saying that if the movie spends so much time on reminding the audience of Chewie’s death, then all of that time is spent ultimately for nothing (except a heightened sense of relief maybe). But relief only works on a first time viewing. And after a first time watcher sees the movie, they might think it was cheap to drag out the grief for that long only to go back on it. Two minutes of screentime is enough time for the characters to think an icon has just died. But why subject the audience to more than that when it will be undone?

I will say that I can see where you’re coming from, but I’d rather not lose any of the dialogue lol.

jarbear said:

Nope. Let us feel. The reward of knowing Chewy is ok is that much sweeter for teh audience instead of laughing the way till we see him.

As I stated in my previous post, the movie still gives you the opportunity to feel. It all takes place on the Falcon in a relatively long scene. My rationale is this: why should the movie dwell on that grief any more than that when it turns out he was ok all along? It makes it much more restrictive as to what the characters are allowed to say/do on Kijimi… but for no reason whatsoever in the big picture (since he’s alive).

I can understand the change possibly for those who haven’t seen the film before. But for those of us who know Chewie is still alive it is taking away lines that some of us enjoy (“We could do this all night”, etc.), utlimately for no good reason.

sherlockpotter said:

The film should want you to feel sad that Chewie is dead, not, “Lol it’s fine! Here are some jokes!” The emotional beat doesn’t land if the film undermines it in the next scene - that’s the same exact reason why the Chewie Reveal scene was cut from Ascendant in the first place.

Interesting choice of words there: “the next scene”. If you take a look at the movie, the next scene is actually a whole grieving scene that takes place on the Falcon. As a result, the film has already accomplished making you feel sad. I believe what we’re arguing about is whether or not the film should remain on that grief for an extended period of time or keep the plot going without that weighing down its options (since he is actually still alive).

jarbear said:

I watched your video and like it MR.

It’s really clean and fits with the “seriousness” of what’s going on with the situation

I mean, the way I always interpreted it is that he knows Zorri would never actually shoot him. They had a thing going for a while there and he probably believes she’s just venting her frustrations at him.

Furthermore, I personally feel like it’s a good idea to try to make the audience feel a bit better after the last portion of the movie “killed off” a beloved character. Sure, maybe it isn’t right for the trio to be acting that upbeat but it might be what the audience needs to keep them invested until Chewie is revealed to still be alive.

Would be interested to see what Hal has to say about this, though.

adywan said:

ESB:R -

Track 1 - New audio mix featuring Jason Wingreen’s original Boba Fett dub.

Track 2 - Same audio mix as above but with Temuera Morrison’s Boba Fett dub.

Omg this is the best news I’ve heard all day. Until The Mandalorian came out I preferred Revisited, but then I realized I wanted Temuera again. Think I might create a PayPal account just to chip in a bit.

EDIT: Done. I appreciate you making this a fundraiser instead of a “pay to get access to the content” unlike, ahem, others who will not be mentioned.

CaptainFaraday said:

That’s great! Definitely an improvement, I’ll add it in if that’s alright. I was worried that it would overcomplicate the core idea being conveyed, but it just strengthens it. And that final line is fantastic as a result; the final line I’d written was the part I was least happy with, too.

Nope it’s fine you can use it. That’s why I wrote it out in the first place lol.

One question though: is the reason Kylo tries to strike down the Eye because he is creeped out by how much he knows about him and his past? I tried to modify his lines to be a copy/paste of Kylo’s lines from TFA/TLJ because I thought that might be what you were going for.

EDIT: Maybe to make it clear why he would want him dead, have his first line be something like: "I know what you seek, and then some, heir of Vader.