Would be cool to have a clean version of the line to play around with in different placements
What I’m currently working on but am having issues with audacity.
NVM currently have access to a much clearer audio sample but now I just need to isolate the vocals a bit.
"The life force of your bond, a dyad in the Force. A power like life itself. Unseen for generations. Your coming together will be your undoing. And now, the power of two restores the one true Emperor.
Unfortunately there isn’t enough room to fit that in there, thus why I recommended the placement that I did.’
Also Hal, idk if you saw my edit which provides a link to a lossless version of the trailer with 5.1 audio but it’s on my previous post.
I can try it if you can direct me to where you found it. Depends how clean the channel is with the line.
You might be able to throw it into audacity, really.
It’s from the final TROS trailer. You can download a high quality version of it from one of those trailer websites or just export it off of YouTube (although that probably wouldn’t work well to remove audio channels).
What program do you think I’d need to remove the proper audio channels? I know for a fact my current software could never do it lmao.
Alright so here is an example of where I would place it (just try to imagine that the triumphant music isn’t attached to the line).
Imo, I think it would work well because it leads right into him laughing. But if you disagree it’s fine. I’m just trying to make sure we’ve thought of every possible change for v2!
I was actually imagining it would play during the montage of ships being electrocuted as a sort of voice over.
And then all the Jedi of the past come together to prove him wrong.
EDIT: Also, I was always under the impression that it was possible to remove certain audio channels from the trailers? There is a video on YouTube of one of the first TROS trailers with all of the music removed. That’s how I got access to a clean copy of Luke saying “This is your fight”.
I ask that because Poppa’s wonderful work was buried in our previous discussion so it was likely whoever was willing to do it didn’t notice it was finished.
Dude, I understand your excitement but chill out! You seem to be dominating this thread lately, no wonder things are getting lost.
I’m the only one that was arguing my point of view (except Jarbear maybe). Do you want me to simply not respond to people when they’re trying to have a conversation with me? Doesn’t seem very realistic. Besides, I made it right, didn’t I?
Anyways, I was thinking about Palpatine’s line “your coming together will be your undoing”. I think that would be a wonderful line to include in this edit if I got a clean copy of it. He would say it either before or during he’s zapping the fleet so that it has a double meaning:
Thoughts?
I ask that because Poppa’s wonderful work was buried in our previous discussion so it was likely whoever was willing to do it didn’t notice it was finished.
As much as I appreciate the work done on the “become a Dyad” line I just don’t like that idea narratively. For me, the fact that they are a Dyad from the start explains so much about their connection even before they met. I don’t want to beleaguer the point so I guess I’ll just leave it at that…
Well I actually feel like that’s the genius of this line change. It’s up to us to decide when they “become” this dyad in the force . You can say it happened in the interrogation scene, or you can say it happened before they even met each other. This line change doesn’t change that.
Also, now that the clean plate is done for the puppet show, who was it that said they would be willing to create the puppets for it?
Fair enough Hal. I would say it’s best for your main edits to (mostly) adhere to established canon. So don’t bother too much with all of my previous suggestions. Other edits, like Rey Nobody, are specifically made to veer off that course.
Okay, sure, maybe that behavior is unnecessary. It would be nice to minimize that. Although it’s sometimes hard to notice when an argument has effectively looped itself.
But you have to admit that when editing the final movie in a trilogy you can’t just act like the previous two don’t exist in the thread. There has to be a discussion somewhere about how the previous two films can possibly be adjusted so that you can make or not make certain changes to this edit in an intelligent way.
While on the surface it might seem like these conversations aren’t necessary, they arguably are. We are trying to edit this film to properly reflect the previous films, and it’s possible we can come to better conclusions for this particular film when also discussing possible changes to the previous two films.
Bridging their minds was a mistake on the villain’s behalf, because their yin and yang connection and shear force strength formed a dyad. If their minds weren’t bridged, and the connection wasn’t made, a dyad wouldn’t have happened. That’s how we have both these things together in the trilogy.
This is the canon answer, from a certain point of view.
As Chris Terrio said, it’s up to us to figure out when the dyad truly started (which is extremely lazy btw). He said that the mind bridging either was what started it, or the dyad started before that and the mind bridging only accelerated it.
Oh, please. We aren’t trying to deduce a canon answer, we’re thinking about what changes to make for alternate versions of the source material.
Thank you, Hal.
I mean, the thing is that you aren’t even sharing canon answers, Testing. I posted a quote from a writer of TROS earlier that makes it clear the dyad has nothing to do with their respective lineages.
He transitions to a different topic when he says, “What Palpatine doesn’t know.” Before that statement, he was talking about what Palpatine told him. After it, he moved on to a completely different topic besides her lineage, which is the dyad.
Sorry, should have been more clear. You said:
whereas in the actual films the dyad was formed because Rey and Kylo Ren were the respective grandchildren of two separate Force-sensitives.
which is not the canon answer anywhere, mostly because it makes no sense whatsoever. Sure, maybe you can interpret that from the movie, but it isn’t suggested at all.
Why remove that line? The fact would remain anyway, and I don’t see what there’d be to gain.
You guys are proposing that the dyad forms because of Snoke bridging their minds, whereas in the actual films the dyad was formed because Rey and Kylo Ren were the respective grandchildren of two separate Force-sensitives. If you have both, it would muddle things.
Bruh what? Lmao. Where is this even remotely implied?
Sorry if I sound rude, just genuinely curious.
Yeah I’m not saying that “we’ve become a dyad in the force” doesn’t solve anything. In fact, it lines things up more correctly with canon, and therefore is a good change to make things more understandable. But that’s just the problem: current canon is kinda confusing when it comes to the dyad because of all the retcons it involves.
That’s why I’ll always stand by going to the original point and fixing it to be more in line with the retcon. Because like I said in the previous post, this movie’s plot depends on the dyad.
The problem is that the entire plot hinges on the dyad. I don’t buy for a second that Palpatine would absorb enough latent energy left over from Snoke’s mind bridging alone to fully restore him. At that point, why didn’t he just drain Snoke himself? There would be even more energy inside of him, after all.
So you HAVE to make the dyad make sense. And in order for the dyad to make sense, you need to go back to the previous movies and change some things (at least that’s how I feel).
Big sad.
All other things that happen (Kylo probing her mind in TFA and Snoke mind bridging them) just enhanced something that was already there.
I don’t know, I just feel like these sorts of force abilities should evolve on their own over time without any artificial enhancements. Maybe that’s just me. Otherwise, things get way too complicated when you try to wrap your head around this concept.
They leave it up to debate because they realize that their dyad idea is contradicted by Snoke having created the mind link. So they basically took a step back and were like, “Well, Snoke’s thing was completely different even though it’s the exact same concept of two people being really close. But the dyad is just the material exchange and the Palpatine rejuvenation juice.” Thing is, that distinction is never suggested in the films and it just makes the concept even more confusing.
Gah just end my suffering please.
Especially if the Skype calls were not part of it … but can move physical things in space … because … their minds linked? Like if I am connected to a friend on the phone from my house to his, he can “hand me” his pen … because you know … we are connected.
Yeah I believe what they’re suggesting is that part of the Skype calls is their dyad, while everything else is a mind link. I’m still leaning more towards removing Snoke’s involvement, but I’m gonna think about it for a bit.
That is a perfect line, jarbear. Would have been perfect, that is. RIP.
Just listened to sherlock’s clip on my computer and yet again I’m mostly content with it. It’s the same quality as “You were right” imo.
That’s exactly what I meant Hal. Terrio literally uses that word in his paragraph, although in the past tense (“leave it to debate about at which point they became this dyad in the Force”)
I believe what he is saying is that Palpatine authorized Snoke to create a mind link, however it spiraled out of control because of the dyad. Palpatine was not aware of that part. It’s simply up to interpretation when the dyad side of things started. Again, my personal theory is the interrogation scene, but arguably you could go back even further than that.
So, according to that logic, the Skype calls are not a part of the dyad, they only helped it grow. Not sure how I feel about that, but alright.
Holy shit guys:
"That really helped us in thinking about Rey and Kylo Ren, which is to say that we wanted to elaborate on the idea that Snoke bridged their minds in ‘The Last Jedi.’ But what we wanted to say is that there’s something deeper there, and leave it to debate about at which point they became this dyad in the Force, where they were really two, or were they one, whether that was a mistake that Palpatine made by bridging them and therefore creating this thing. But regardless, their relationship is extremely interesting and complicated, and it was one of the things that J.J. and I loved about ‘The Last Jedi’ that we luckily inherited and could build.”
Straight from the horse’s mouth (Chris Terrio).