Jar Jar Bricks

ThisIsCreation said:

@jarjar - in the original clip you posted the sound of the wind and the score helps hide the blemishes (outside of the clipping)

Hmmm. I think what would help here is for your version of the audio to be placed into the scene like that. I think that might help out some of the people on this forum who still don’t think it sounds convincing enough. Because like you said, it hides some of the blemishes, and you said yours shouldn’t have that clipping, either.

jarbear said:

The line sticks out since it sounds a bit different, but it also sticks out since its cramming more words than the “space” of the original line.

I dunno if it is realistic to do cleanly.

Exactly.

So I suppose this question is for everyone else to chime in on: do we think it’s worth it to include this line change while making it sound augmented/strange at the same time? I know what my answer is at this point (I’d rather not have it).

Of course, Hal kinda has the final say.

Icecream2448 said:

The seams are showing as I listen to “We’ve become a dyad in the force” more and more. Something is still off, and I’m sorry for being so picky.

Wow I just listened to it with earbuds in for the first time and I agree 100%

For some reason it’s like listening to a completely different audio file compared to my phone and laptop speakers.

Not sure what to say anymore. If we think it’s such an important change to include, then perhaps we can ignore this. But I’m having a hard time with it.

EDIT: For some reason it sounds much better in sherlock’s original audio: https://streamable.com/dwfbr9
Does it sound better because it isn’t as loud in that? Probably just my mind playing tricks on me because of the visuals.

TestingOutTheTest said:

What is the point of adding in Palpatine’s line, “Your coming together will be your undoing…”?

Absolutely no reason other than I like the line. lol

Don’t worry though, nothing became of it. Was just a fun idea I had.

Oh I’m very familiar with those popping/clicking sounds. My life in a nutshell with free editing software.

Thanks for taking care of that. Those types of things are much easier to hear with headphones on.

You should definitely leave “in the force” in there, as otherwise the viewer might not know a dyad is related to the force.

Anyways, I can’t tell a difference between your first clip, creation, and sherlock’s one. But if people think that your first clip sounds better than sherlock’s then great. I just don’t want to mess with removing the end of the line is all.

sherlockpotter said:

I like the Palps line, but I don’t quite like it while he’s frying the fleet. To me there’s a disconnect between currently electrocuting them (present tense) and saying this “will be your undoing” (future tense). I also get a weird implication where “coming together” is only bad because it means he can Chain Lightning them at once. If it’s possible, I think it works better where DZ suggested: “The life force of your bond, a dyad in the Force. A power like life itself. Unseen for generations. Your coming together will be your undoing. And now, the power of two restores the one true Emperor.”

There simply isn’t enough room to fit that line in there, trust me I’ve tried.

Besides, I’ve also tried cleaning up the line, and quite frankly it’s far from perfect. Perhaps there is some wizard out there who could do better than me but I isolated it to the one audio track with him speaking AND applied a filter to remove background music and it still didn’t turn out right.

I would say it’s best to drop this topic. It was a fun idea I had but clearly isn’t worth the effort.

The reason we made it “What Palpatine doesn’t know is we’ve become a dyad in the force” is because we are currently following the philosophy that Palpatine is aware they have had a mind bridge, however is not aware of their dyadness. Making those changes would arguably undo the entire point of the “become a dyad” change.

Back to the Palpatine line, you were right Hal. There is too much music attached to all the character’s speaking. I removed a significant amount of it, but you can still hear it unfortunately.

Brewzter said:

Would be cool to have a clean version of the line to play around with in different placements

What I’m currently working on but am having issues with audacity.

NVM currently have access to a much clearer audio sample but now I just need to isolate the vocals a bit.

DZ-330 said:

"The life force of your bond, a dyad in the Force. A power like life itself. Unseen for generations. Your coming together will be your undoing. And now, the power of two restores the one true Emperor.

Unfortunately there isn’t enough room to fit that in there, thus why I recommended the placement that I did.’

Also Hal, idk if you saw my edit which provides a link to a lossless version of the trailer with 5.1 audio but it’s on my previous post.

Hal 9000 said:

I can try it if you can direct me to where you found it. Depends how clean the channel is with the line.

You might be able to throw it into audacity, really.

It’s from the final TROS trailer. You can download a high quality version of it from one of those trailer websites or just export it off of YouTube (although that probably wouldn’t work well to remove audio channels).

EDIT: https://thedigitaltheater.com/2019/10/24/star-wars-episode-ix-the-rise-of-skywalker-2019-trailer-2-1080p-dts-hd-ma-5-1/

What program do you think I’d need to remove the proper audio channels? I know for a fact my current software could never do it lmao.

Alright so here is an example of where I would place it (just try to imagine that the triumphant music isn’t attached to the line).

https://youtu.be/W0CSAdl4v9A

Imo, I think it would work well because it leads right into him laughing. But if you disagree it’s fine. I’m just trying to make sure we’ve thought of every possible change for v2!

I was actually imagining it would play during the montage of ships being electrocuted as a sort of voice over.

And then all the Jedi of the past come together to prove him wrong.

EDIT: Also, I was always under the impression that it was possible to remove certain audio channels from the trailers? There is a video on YouTube of one of the first TROS trailers with all of the music removed. That’s how I got access to a clean copy of Luke saying “This is your fight”.

Movies Remastered said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I ask that because Poppa’s wonderful work was buried in our previous discussion so it was likely whoever was willing to do it didn’t notice it was finished.

Dude, I understand your excitement but chill out! You seem to be dominating this thread lately, no wonder things are getting lost.

I’m the only one that was arguing my point of view (except Jarbear maybe). Do you want me to simply not respond to people when they’re trying to have a conversation with me? Doesn’t seem very realistic. Besides, I made it right, didn’t I?

Anyways, I was thinking about Palpatine’s line “your coming together will be your undoing”. I think that would be a wonderful line to include in this edit if I got a clean copy of it. He would say it either before or during he’s zapping the fleet so that it has a double meaning:

1. Ben and Rey coming together only restored him.
2. He is currently zapping all of his enemies because they all came together in one place.

Thoughts?

I ask that because Poppa’s wonderful work was buried in our previous discussion so it was likely whoever was willing to do it didn’t notice it was finished.

dgraham414 said:

As much as I appreciate the work done on the “become a Dyad” line I just don’t like that idea narratively. For me, the fact that they are a Dyad from the start explains so much about their connection even before they met. I don’t want to beleaguer the point so I guess I’ll just leave it at that…

Well I actually feel like that’s the genius of this line change. It’s up to us to decide when they “become” this dyad in the force . You can say it happened in the interrogation scene, or you can say it happened before they even met each other. This line change doesn’t change that.

Also, now that the clean plate is done for the puppet show, who was it that said they would be willing to create the puppets for it?

Fair enough Hal. I would say it’s best for your main edits to (mostly) adhere to established canon. So don’t bother too much with all of my previous suggestions. Other edits, like Rey Nobody, are specifically made to veer off that course.

Okay, sure, maybe that behavior is unnecessary. It would be nice to minimize that. Although it’s sometimes hard to notice when an argument has effectively looped itself.

But you have to admit that when editing the final movie in a trilogy you can’t just act like the previous two don’t exist in the thread. There has to be a discussion somewhere about how the previous two films can possibly be adjusted so that you can make or not make certain changes to this edit in an intelligent way.

While on the surface it might seem like these conversations aren’t necessary, they arguably are. We are trying to edit this film to properly reflect the previous films, and it’s possible we can come to better conclusions for this particular film when also discussing possible changes to the previous two films.

Icecream2448 said:

Bridging their minds was a mistake on the villain’s behalf, because their yin and yang connection and shear force strength formed a dyad. If their minds weren’t bridged, and the connection wasn’t made, a dyad wouldn’t have happened. That’s how we have both these things together in the trilogy.

This is the canon answer, from a certain point of view.

As Chris Terrio said, it’s up to us to figure out when the dyad truly started (which is extremely lazy btw). He said that the mind bridging either was what started it, or the dyad started before that and the mind bridging only accelerated it.

Hal 9000 said:

Oh, please. We aren’t trying to deduce a canon answer, we’re thinking about what changes to make for alternate versions of the source material.

Thank you, Hal.

I mean, the thing is that you aren’t even sharing canon answers, Testing. I posted a quote from a writer of TROS earlier that makes it clear the dyad has nothing to do with their respective lineages.

He transitions to a different topic when he says, “What Palpatine doesn’t know.” Before that statement, he was talking about what Palpatine told him. After it, he moved on to a completely different topic besides her lineage, which is the dyad.

Sorry, should have been more clear. You said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

whereas in the actual films the dyad was formed because Rey and Kylo Ren were the respective grandchildren of two separate Force-sensitives.

which is not the canon answer anywhere, mostly because it makes no sense whatsoever. Sure, maybe you can interpret that from the movie, but it isn’t suggested at all.

TestingOutTheTest said:

Hal 9000 said:

Why remove that line? The fact would remain anyway, and I don’t see what there’d be to gain.

You guys are proposing that the dyad forms because of Snoke bridging their minds, whereas in the actual films the dyad was formed because Rey and Kylo Ren were the respective grandchildren of two separate Force-sensitives. If you have both, it would muddle things.

Bruh what? Lmao. Where is this even remotely implied?

Sorry if I sound rude, just genuinely curious.