Jar Jar Bricks

TDS91939 said:

Adam Driver said he didn’t want Kylo to be redeemed. What’s everyone’s thoughts on that?

It certainly would have made the sequels stand on their own a bit more. They wouldn’t be a re-tread of all that common ground.

But at the same time, the problem I have with it is that it goes against the themes that the original movies presented. If the sequels weren’t specifically marketed to be a capstone to the Skywalker saga, I would be fine with them taking a different approach like this. But as a saga, you need to have a unified theme, in this case abundant hope resulting in love and redemption.

They could have had their cake and eat it, too. The sequels would have been absolutely outstanding in my opinion if, over the course of the films, Kylo moved to the light and Rey to the dark (perhaps still as a Palpatine). So Episode IX would have seen a Sith Rey pitted against a redeemed Ben Solo. And perhaps Rey wouldn’t have been willing to turn back to the light because she finally feels like she’s found her belonging with the Sith cult that practically worships her for who she is.

With the cancellation of the Acolyte, I really don’t see much of a point in entertaining the whole “creating life” backstory overhaul (like Osha and Mae). I don’t believe Lucasfilm will explore that thread (no pun intended) in any meaningful capacity to justify such a recontextualization of the entire saga. I think I’ve made the right decision in recalibrating this project to merely improving Rey’s backstory and Kylo’s arc.

I’ve looked through my rough change list at the top of this page and it’s still mostly accurate. I did have an interesting idea of potentially suggesting that Kylo shuts Palpatine out of his head fully when he destroys “Vader” in their vision-fight. Perhaps in the transition from the vision back to reality there could be Palpatine’s Sith scream as he loses his hold over him, or something like that. And Kylo has his mask reforged with that special glowing red stuff to ward his mind from Palpatine’s further influence.

I’m going to officially start working on this project this month, hopefully. I’m just going to need help with a lot of audio editing, really.

potty meister said:

I agree that the opening act worked pretty well but there was that moment when Baylan and Shin show up a the henge where I was thinking, “Wait, where’s Morgan? Didn’t they just pick her up?” But oh well, it ended up working out okay.

I had this same thought initially, but it’s explained away pretty quickly in a later scene where Morgan arrives in her own ship. Clearly she needed to make a pit stop to gather all of her witch belongings.

honestabe said:

I would recommend it, but it is still far from perfect and that is because the source material was not the best.

I believe Kai said that he was fine with most of the show, it just needed its fat trimmed. I’m inclined to agree with that assessment. To your point, see the following article which seems to suggest that the tactic you’re referring to is exactly what Thrawn does. It just isn’t as effective or precise without more Star Destroyers.

As for my own thoughts on this edit, I thought it was wonderful. Took the show from a 7/10 (due to it dragging on) to a 9/10. I do have a couple issues with it, though:

1. The title crawl won’t stop BOLDING text! LMAO. It’s honestly kind of comical. I didn’t count how many phrases were bolded, but it was definitely more than I’ve ever seen from any other movie. Real Star Wars crawls are much more reserved than this. The only thing that needed to be bolded was probably the Star Map MacGuffin.
2. Stormtroopers appear out of nowhere in the middle of Ahsoka’s fight with Morgan from where the characters just came from. Up until that point, we’re meant to assume Morgan and the two Death Troopers are the only ones being left behind according to what Thrawn says. We also see these same stormtroopers (and the Death Troopers) acting being zombies without much of an explanation. I wonder if it’s possible to add a shortened version of the fight at the base of the tower to fix these issues.

The problem with that is Quimir clearly registers something in his head (based upon his facial expression) when Sol mentions that the witches used the Force/vergence to create life. The impression being that he knows what his master is capable of, and the pieces are starting to come together for him. All of the language and acting in that scene is hinting at the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise.

And while I do get what you’re saying about the focus being pulled from Mae when his cameo is shifted to the end, at least it explains why we don’t see anymore from those two characters going forward. If there is no looming/controlling threat above them, then we as the audience have to assume they get up to more dark side shenanigans leading to TPM without ever being discovered. This show already stretches the viewer’s suspension of disbelief quite a bit.

I’m not denying that it’s a good moment, but it hints at a greater conspiracy than what we’re ultimately presented with. That retroactively taints my perception of the scene itself. In truth, I think the greater argument for removing all of it is to save screen time and keep the pacing going. The gang is told that somebody tried to break into a local Jedi temple, they show up, and both the audience and them are shocked to discover the person they were trying to save is already dead somehow. It just flows better.

Your Falcon and the Winter Soldier edit was a fantastic example of a show with poor pacing being converted into an excellent movie seamlessly. I’m definitely looking forward to your style of editing applied here.

I know your edit isn’t a “fix”, but one suggestion I have is from Mathismando’s edit where we never see Torbin’s death, akin to Kelnacca later on. Mae wouldn’t be seen on the planet until Sol confronts her. Should save a lot of runtime. Although I would also remove the two lines that mention Torbin killed himself and perhaps that he hasn’t talked to anybody for 10 years. That way you don’t have to include as much him in the flashbacks, which it looks like you’ll be cutting down quite a bit. Plus, even with all of that content, he still doesn’t have much justification for being so depressed.

What are your plans concerning the ending? No to Yoda, yes to Plagueis, etc.?

Just watched v2 and I’d like to give some feedback before I write a formal review elsewhere:

• I would have removed the brief line where Sol reveals that Torbin killed himself with the poison. I think it’s better to leave this up to viewer interpretation because in this edit he is not the one entirely at fault for storming the coven, so he shouldn’t feel that guilty. Perhaps even remove the brief mention that he hasn’t spoken to anybody in 10 years. Heck, they even blame Mae for killing him later on, so it’s just a really random line at this point.
• The lines from Mother Anasaya over when Osha has the helmet on feel out of place. Silence works better here because of the similarities to Darth Vader’s breathing.
• The line “What did I do?” from Mae in the ending appears to have been chopped off abruptly.
• The ending could use some touch ups. Without any prior knowledge of the show, it appears that Osha and Quimir betrayed her sister and mind wiped her without her consent. Was this your intention? It just feels weird that they are crying in each other’s arms a second before Osha abandons her like this.
• As an aside, your change also makes the mind wiping ability incredibly overpowered, since it assumably could work on anybody. The idea that the person has to accept the memory manipulation is the only reason it was believable originally imo.

Other than those things, I think this was a solid movie. The show is something I’d never rewatch again, but your edit has proven to me that there is a watchable movie buried within it.

Off the top of my head:

• A Threepio line that hadn’t been updated with the most recent model
• Color correction on Ahch-To
• We re-did Luke’s dialogue on Ahch-To to the following: “She was quick to learn in our training. But Leia feared the hatred that consumed our father, choosing instead to follow our mother’s path. By training you as a Jedi, she confronted her fears and embraced love over hatred. A thousand generations live in you now, but this is your fight. Let Leia’s legacy guide you on Exegol.”

The goal with the last change there was to make it clear Luke is referring to a thousand generations of Jedi, and also subtly suggest that Leia’s fear of becoming a bad Jedi was what stopped her from training her son and sending him away to Luke. To which she amends by training Rey.

The problem is that they only just arrived. So they’d land, watch the sunset together, and then immediately get back on board. It just feels a tad strange.

Plus, the implication if they stay is that Plagueis is about to confront them and put the kibosh on their whole parade.

MathisMando said:

honestabe said:

I have not personally watched anything related to the Acolyte yet. However, as I skimmed through some of the changes for the edits of the show, I noticed only the editor Movies Remastered made any hardcore visual and audio edits.

Did you ever consider incorporating some of those into your own (with proper credit provided)?

So there won’t be any hardcore modifications, as my only goal was to transform the original material into something enjoyable to watch, with a better pacing, storywise, emotionaly too, … However I’m thinking about removing something in my last shot, it would need some compositing work though which I’m not too familiar with…

Yeah removing the ship taking off for the Plagueis shot is probably the only VFX needed for edits of this show.

MathisMando said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’m assuming you will be removing the Yoda cameo? I’d be wary of removing the Plagueis cameo, because at least that explains how Quimir and Osha are screwed.

And the link between Vernestra and Q’mir doesn’t make sense now in a standalone story… it was setting up season 2…

Their link does go at least a little ways in explaining why Vernestra would want to cover up the whole thing. It’s her own failure that she doesn’t want to confront. But I do agree that it was sequel bait. Perhaps you could just tweak the scene between Mae and her concerning going after him? So it’s more of thing she wants absolutely nothing to do with going forward?

I suppose her cover up could work as a way to preserve the entire Jedi Order’s reputation, still.

I’m assuming you will be removing the Yoda cameo? I’d be wary of removing the Plagueis cameo, because at least that explains how Quimir and Osha are screwed.

Yeah that video is basically what Hal was joking about in his post on here lol.

But I could see it working in the ways you’re describing. We could have her say something to Rey at the end of their conversation after “I think I’m just tired, that’s all” or perhaps to Snap when Rose is storming off. But I can’t seem to think of any instance where she has a visible line we’d like to replace or where her face is even visible for our current AI lines.

EDIT: Perhaps there’s enough visible space after Leia tells Rey “No” concerning finding Palpatine?

Oh. It should be fine, then. I was just wanting to understand your perspective on why it wasn’t up to par. If it sounds good to you now, then I’ll take it.

Would you be willing to make a test of the Threepio lines I posted? If not, I can see about making a third batch of lines to choose from this weekend. There’s a delicate balance to strike between having an emotive line and one that sounds too human in this case.

Yeah, like the line of “I was beginning to think you weren’t coming, Master” would probably work. It’s everything after that which is kinda off-limits to us because their lightsabers are active. But I’d be worried about starting off with his voice at the correct pitch, going deeper mid-scene, and then reverting to the correct pitch for the rest of the movie. That’s two transitions instead of one.

I’ve tried to repitch Hayden’s voice before with the ElevenLabs tool that takes existing speech dialogue and basically applies a filter over it. In this case, the filter was a chunk of his dialogue from the beginning of AoTC. It worked great - except when there were lightsaber noises in the flashback scene. As far as I’m aware, it isn’t possible to separate those noises from the speech in the audio track. So in order for this to be possible, his dialogue would have to be generated completely from scratch and all of the scene’s audio tracks entirely remade (would take a ton of time and effort).

Sounds pretty good to me.

I went ahead and merged the two Threepio folders to have the lines I was pointing out earlier:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1j7sTrxCcCTn0uyViaGwEhxGWWLYieOmK?usp=drive_link

I think Nev was also considering inserting the unused trailer footage of Maz handing the lightsaber to Leia into Rey’s vision. It would be played in reverse to make it seem like Leia is handing it to Maz and then there would be an AI line from Leia basically saying something like “Keep it safe, old friend.”

Now, as for why Leia got the lightsaber, maybe she only happened upon it when Luke was already in hiding. I dunno, I suppose it’s better than it ending up with Maz inexplicably and she never even considered returning it to the Skywalkers (over the course of 30ish years) despite being close with Chewie and Han.

Ideally I’d like to modify Poe’s AI line since it was using an outdated model from the Lego game instead of the actual scene it’s integrated into.

I’d prefer a direct callback to Padme’s line from TPM: “Wary to condone any action that could lead to war…”

I can’t identify any issues with it. Nicely written!

Yeah that would be because it’s trying to replicate realistic human speech, but doesn’t realize that I gave it a robot talking as source audio.

I’d recommend the first line in the original folder, followed by the new lines that I provided. These don’t have much breathing (if at all).

Here are some Threepio alternatives:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1j7sTrxCcCTn0uyViaGwEhxGWWLYieOmK?usp=sharing

And the original folder:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yqdpXVvX-lVH1Ki8_SLrB6_TJ5O3DD5D?usp=sharing

I’m sure if you mix and match them something will suite your tastes.