JakeRyan17

^^^All of that^^^

Knight of Kalee said:

Wasn’t Jango’s jetpack damaged by the Reek beast rather than a saber?

You could be right. Haven’t watched AotC in a long while.

The difference is your character is not living in a trading outpost with implied off-worlders and already shown speaking multiple languages.

Even looking at the chain of stealing, Rey seems to know the person that stole the ship from Han, as she says his name with familiarity (similar to Teedo).

For this to go against the background presented, it would have to be things that aren’t part of the background presented. Her entire presented background is what’s being labelled as a Mary Sue (good pilot, speaks multiple languages, good with melee weapons, etc.). All of that is established when we first see her: piloting her speeder, speaking multiple languages at and around a trading outpost, fighting with her staff. That is her established background.

Again, it’s far more strange that Finn would be good with a blaster or on a firing squad when he’s a janitor. Even him flying the speeder in the Battle of Crait is suspect based on how quickly it takes place after the film that establishes he doesn’t know how to fly.

But with the woman, we have to tear apart every detail of every frame and waveform to complain that she’s a Mary Sue. It just doesn’t make sense to me, these films have bigger issues and this “issue” was addressed in the original films, as released.

I guess we see her speak a couple other languages there with other people at or around the outpost.

I guess to me… I get the criticisms with her Force abilities, but beyond that it felt like looking for excuses to describe her that way.

Her having skills learned offscreen isn’t being a Mary Sue; it’s far more surprising a janitor is part of a firing squad to me than Rey is a good pilot and can speak to droids and Wookiees.

I could see them doing that down the road, but I think like Rebels it’ll avoid any of that in the first season to get its own identity.

TestingOutTheTest said:

Movies Remastered said:

SparkySywer said:

I wonder what might be able to be done in an edit of TRoS that makes the trilogy more cohesive without sacrificing TLJ. Most edits of the ST try to reconcile TLJ to TRoS, but that’s kind of a shame. Like TLJ or not, it’s the one that actually has an artistic idea behind it. Especially compared to TRoS.

I’ve tried to make a cohesive trilogy but making Rey less of a Mary Sue in TFA, Both she and Finn get beaten badly by Kylo and their first face to face battle is in TROS. I’ve tried to link TLJ and TROS as much as possible but removing the “undone” moments in TROS and tried to add more seeds to TROS in TLJ.

I seem to be one of the only people that like the fact Luke became a hermit like Obi-wan. He’s a broken man after watching everything burn. It seems even more poignant with the end of The Mandalorian now.

Do you plan on removing Rey understanding what Chewie is saying in TFA and TLJ? That is commonly seen as another aspect of what is felt by many to be her Mary Sue status.

I don’t understand how this makes her a Mary Sue. She lived and worked at a trading outpost, it’s not unbelievable that she’d learn to speak it… and it makes sense that a farmer (Luke) or troopers in a human supremacist society (Finn) wouldn’t know the language, but someone regularly interacting with all sorts at a trading outpost seems different.

That’s what I mean though, it won’t be more abandoned episodes, like season 7 of The Clone Wars was, it will instead move forward to show what happens next.

Familiar locations and characters, sure. But it won’t be the Batch on Kashyyyk with Yoda, know what I mean?

WtarSars said:

fair enough thanks guys, here’s another one. So Boba’s armor is now canonically beskar yes? if so how does his jetpack malfunction from a staff on jabbas barge but Din’s can take a lightsaber hit?

It might only be his armour, as Jango’s jetpack was damaged by lightsabers back in the day wasn’t it?

I don’t think it will explore abandoned plot lines, I have a feeling it will focus on exploring its corner of the timeline more though…

Blasters have been jammed before too

Movies Remastered said:

SparkySywer said:

I wonder what might be able to be done in an edit of TRoS that makes the trilogy more cohesive without sacrificing TLJ. Most edits of the ST try to reconcile TLJ to TRoS, but that’s kind of a shame. Like TLJ or not, it’s the one that actually has an artistic idea behind it. Especially compared to TRoS.

I’ve tried to make a cohesive trilogy but making Rey less of a Mary Sue in TFA, Both she and Finn get beaten badly by Kylo and their first face to face battle is in TROS. I’ve tried to link TLJ and TROS as much as possible but removing the “undone” moments in TROS and tried to add more seeds to TROS in TLJ.

I seem to be one of the only people that like the fact Luke became a hermit like Obi-wan. He’s a broken man after watching everything burn. It seems even more poignant with the end of The Mandalorian now.

I definitely like the choices made in TLJ. I also made cuts to some of the Undoing (staring Nicole Kidman, jk). I took out the line about never throwing away a lightsaber, etc.

SparkySywer said:

I wonder what might be able to be done in an edit of TRoS that makes the trilogy more cohesive without sacrificing TLJ. Most edits of the ST try to reconcile TLJ to TRoS, but that’s kind of a shame. Like TLJ or not, it’s the one that actually has an artistic idea behind it. Especially compared to TRoS.

To me, the only thing would be to change Palpatine’s introduction.

What I did was get rid of Luke’s cliffhanger in TFA and added a couple of those shots back to when we meet him in TLJ. I then replaced that sequence with Kylo travelling to Exegol (sans-Mustafar) and finding out about Palpatine (and thus revealing Snoke is an aspect of Palpatine) at the end of TFA rather than start of TRoS. This reframes but doesn’t change Kylo’s seeking independence from Snoke, just solidifies the urgency by which he tries to recruit Rey and install himself as Supreme Leader. I then put Palpatine’s Fortnite message during the battle of Crait, as the Resistance is waiting to hear back from allies just before Luke’s appearance. This helps escalate Kylo’s anger, as both mentors he sought independence from have returned to challenge him and his desired power.

I also recommend getting rid of an exchange between Max and Rey, where Max says “but there is someone that still could.” And Rey replies “Luke…” This would help take away the implication that Luke is her family. You could also remove the line and put ominous music under a reaction shot of Rey, to help imply her family is alive but evil.

I feel like the changes are conservative, keeping character arcs intact while making the trilogy more cohesive. I made more extensive changes that might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but that’s the backbone of bringing the trilogy together without disrupting what the two filmmakers were aiming for.

Kingj3489 said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Cutting The Jedi also cuts his new weapon that he uses to fight off Gideon.

I’d simplify and condense that episode, but not cut it. I’d keep some of the conflict there, including his being hired to kill her.

It also gets rid of the whole reason they go to Tython, meet Boba and the reason Luke shows up at all.
Ahsoka cannot be cut.

I agree with all of that, just pointing out what trying to create the Tyrhon dialogue with Bo-Kayan instead would miss.

It’s also worth noting that this is building up to an untitled crossover series between The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, and Rangers of the New Republic that’s likely cantered on Thrawn. It might be better to seed some of those plot elements here with her episode.

Cutting The Jedi also cuts his new weapon that he uses to fight off Gideon.

I’d simplify and condense that episode, but not cut it. I’d keep some of the conflict there, including his being hired to kill her.

I think my recommendation has stayed consistent.

Have a crawl that establishes Din is searching for more Mandalorians to help him locate Jedi. Pan down to Razor Crest’s approach to Tatooine.

Start with the opening of The Passenger, showing Mando enter the cantina with Fett’s armour, get the job, cut from dangerous to approaching Trask in The Heiress. This becomes Act I.

Pretend the Mon Cala actually repaired the ship, use the tease from the end of The Siege to set up Gideon’s return later. The Jedi and The Tragedy become Act II.

Cut down The Believer to have the face reveal, as the low-point. You can even have the events narrated with them describing the dangers, kinda like a heist movie, where them describing the plan is over it happening until something goes wrong. This beat, along with recruiting Bo-Katan can be the gathering of the team moment, similar to the first film when he goes to find Cara.

Use The Rescue as Act III.

SandMTV said:

I really love Boba killing Fortuna at the end of Season 2.

I feel like that more belongs in The Book of Boba Fett cut down into a film than here though.

Luke was a disappointment for me, but it does bring closure to this part of the story.

Ben is the one I felt needed to be there, Anakin had his moment as a ghost approving the next generation already anyway.

She knows of Vader and trained with his daughter for a year… ostensibly she is aware.

Ed Slushie said:

RogueLeader said:

ben_danger said:

The whole child-soldier thing really bugs me about the ST. In the OT - I felt the battle between the empire and the rebels was fairly morally unambiguous. The empire was evil - the people fighting for it were likely culpable. But the element of recruiting child soldiers in the ST really makes me feel bad for the Stormtroopers and Officers who are killed.

Option B) Keep stormtroopers being child soldiers, but alter Finn and Poe’s blaster effects in IX to make it seem like they are stunning stormtroopers rather than killing them. This would at least make it seem like they are aware of the implications of their actions, and are actively trying to avoid killing people who were child soldiers, just like Finn. And you could potentially give the Sith troopers clone voices as well. Technically they’re child soldiers, too, but they weren’t taken from a family like Finn and Jannah were.

My time has come!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGhmnuG6WI0&feature=youtu.be

That’s an impressive colour change, but they still don’t look like stun settings. Stunners are either blue circles (like storm troopers in A New Hope, et al.) or what looks like a ball of electricity or lightning (such as Ezra’s stunner built into his first lightsaber).

It might be easier to replicate Exra’s stunner, rather than cutting the laser bolts completely and building the circles from scratch. If you can do the visuals though, I can help you get the corresponding audio in those scenes.

Well, if Bad Batch follows the pattern from Rebels, they’ll stun everybody and not a single stormtrooper or villain person will die from the heroes’ hands. 😂

That could be cool.

It’s really a plotline I wish they delved into more. So many people are raised in hateful backgrounds and conditioned into “evil” mindsets, those who don’t conform or always question it stick out more. I felt like that’s what they wanted (even as a slight political commentary), but they had too many other things they were focused on.

Because it costs money to make and market physical media, and the profits make have to pay that off and the remainder has to be shared with retailers. It’s nowhere near as worth it, when they can simply have more profit from controlling the entire pipeline themselves and not sharing profit with anyone else.

We all what a physical media release, but people keep bringing up what would be outliers when the average fan will just keep the subscription. It may not even sell enough physical copes for them to make their money back off of physical media production.

So, the heart of your question is, why don’t they go away from their new business model to potentially split their profits by competing with themselves, sharing their profits, and spending more money before any profit can be seen, instead of the new model where they get all of the profits and people are constantly being exposed to their other content to keep them bringing in profit, and becoming word-of-mouth marketing for the service? There’s no reason for them to go back to higher risk and lower profits.

LexX said:

JakeRyan17 said:

LexX said:

Let’s say The Mandalorian lasts 4 seasons. Who is going to subscribe to Disney+ solely because of The Mandalorian after that? If they want to get more money out of that show, the only way is to make it available on physical media. If they do that, do you really think they would lose subscriptions at that point with 37 new shows coming up already?

That’s the point though, they keep adding new content to keep it going, but let’s say someone hates the new show but still loves Mando: they’re more likely to keep D+ (especially if there’s one other thing they’re curious about it enjoy) if there’s nowhere else to get it.

Years after it’s finished? Unlikely, or just unwise.

People subscribed to Netflix for years and only watched The Office and Friends. It’s more common than you’d think… and the people who don’t want to rewatch the show won’t be buying the physical media anyway.

LexX said:

Let’s say The Mandalorian lasts 4 seasons. Who is going to subscribe to Disney+ solely because of The Mandalorian after that? If they want to get more money out of that show, the only way is to make it available on physical media. If they do that, do you really think they would lose subscriptions at that point with 37 new shows coming up already?

That’s the point though, they keep adding new content to keep it going, but let’s say someone hates the new show but still loves Mando: they’re more likely to keep D+ (especially if there’s one other thing they’re curious about it enjoy) if there’s nowhere else to get it.

That continued subscription then encourages those people to watch other shows, since they’re already paying for it, etc. It keeps their content being talked about which keeps drawing in new subscribers. That’s how they make the real money, without having to pay for production of physical media. They get a larger percentage of more sales.

sade1212 said:

Hmm, so far no streaming service has managed to stop piracy. It doesn’t necessarily matter how difficult they make it for an individual to rip content, since as long as there’s some scene group somewhere who successfully works around their protection, the resulting files get shared just as readily as they would have if they had come from a traditional physical source. It’s those piracy “end-users” I was referring to as getting the better deal - as it currently stands, they can just visit some site and get a permanent .mkv of the latest Mando episode within hours of airing. Meanwhile here in the UK we didn’t even start to get the first season of Mando until after the entire season finished in the US, which I’m still salty about…

If they do eventually start hiding some kind of unremovable trace of the identity of the user who rips the episode, it just begins an endless whack-a-mole for them.

There’s also the fanediting angle. I know Fanedit.org refuses to allow fanedits for anything without a physical release, but elsewhere there’s a lot of ROTS x TCW Siege of Mandalore edits, even though the Siege of Mandalore doesn’t have a physical release yet. Those faneditors could be buying and ripping their own discs if Disney would make that an option.

It’s still fewer people making the original rip, which means fewer people to track down to have the content removed from.

Localisation is a whole other thing. I too wish release dates were universal, but there’s a lot more to that. There are other contracts in place between media companies and governments that simply make it complicated. Even now, Disney+ and AppleTV+ are risking becoming unavailable in the EU because not enough of their content is produced there.

Disney isn’t exactly supportive of fan editing, at least not the people who are in charge of those decisions… none of whom are at LFL, it’s out of their jurisdiction. It’s a distribution call, and the entire company just restructured the entire way they do business to focus on DTC.

And at the end of the day, streaming has made the amount of piracy that takes place go down. Some people still do it, and always will, but far more people pay for streaming services continuously than buy physical media. It’s more profit with less risk and less cost.