JakeRyan17

Gotcha, their fight in the forest is important to keep.

I guess, the tension of Din being hired to kill her and her condition of taking the village are major moments in character development for me. I feel like it can be trimmed down, make it more guerrilla rather than one-woman army. It also sets up that his quest may fail, especially as Ahsoka is similar to Luke in TLJ in resisting the urge to pass on her knowledge. It heightens the unknown, seeing her as a stealth warrior, like a ninja. This is in contrast to Luke bombastically cutting down Dark Troopers that no one else could manage (Ahsoka fought soldiers that Din was just as easily dispatching). That contrast is still there, we’re just seeing more tug of war between Din and Ahsoka, and what they believe they must do.

I don’t feel like her using lightsabers takes away from Luke, any more than Ben using a lightsaber in the cantina takes away from Vader showing up later.

This episode introduced Din to the concept of the Jedi, as well as serving as a warning to what they could be. This is Din getting a glimpse of what could become Grogu’s future. That’s fairly significant. Her reluctance to help and her prowess in battle feed into that insight. It all gives Din a choice of whether this is the path he wants for Grogu or not.

Check Rebels too, she’s only in a couple episodes there. Let me know what episode if you find it.

And there’s no way to use the moment when Bo-Katan mentions Gideon on Trask/Imperial ship? Even using Din’s dialogue from another episode in the scene?

Around 26min mark you could use Bo-Katan saying “him” and swap it out for one of the times she says Gideon, and add Din saying he’s dead or something. They’re both wearing helmets, so adjusting the dialogue shouldn’t be too tough, and if Bo-Katan only says it with her helmet off, it shouldn’t be too difficult to replicate the sound of her helmet (not nearly as distorted as Kylo’s helmet, for example).

Yeah, Obi-Wan intentionally misled Luke, and it’s addressed.

TRoS presents Luke as spending years searching for Exegol and the Wayfinders. It doesn’t frame it as the Force Ghosts lied to him about where they were, it doesn’t frame it as anything other than a man looked everywhere and asked everyone… except the one person who knew, who he uniquely could communicate with.

It becomes a plot hole because we’re told a character exerted himself, almost desperately, to find something without trying the most basic thing that would also have worked. Like, did Luke get bitter with his father’s redeemed spirit?

Maybe, if it’s not a plot hole, we can at least agree it’s an unnecessarily stupid plot contrivance setting up the videogame-style trading sequence of multiple MacGuffins that we have instead of a story.

TestingOutTheTest said:

It is never mentioned or implied in the film that the Wayfinder belonged to Anakin specifically.

It was on Mustafar, stated in the novelisation, stated in the deleted scenes, and the current Darth Vader comic has him acquiring it directly.

The Alazmec of Winsit, whom Kylo Ren fights to obtain the Wayfinder, are a cult following Vader.

It’s pointing out that Anakin’s Force Ghost could’ve told Luke where his Wayfinder was, basically pointing out the massive plot hole in The Rise of Skywalker.

So, you want to cut the character development out? That doesn’t make sense.

Luke is very clear about what he did and why, and SparkySywer did a great job summarising it.

Yes. 👏🏻

TestingOutTheTest said:

Replaced the Imperial TIE Kylo took to Exegol with an Imperial shuttle, because ANH had made a point to establish that TIEs don’t have hyperdrives, whereas shuttles have been depicted onscreen as using them.

There was absolutely no indication that Kylo Ren had the TIE fighter jump to lightspeed from Kef Bir to Exegol.

Except that everyone else used light speed to traverse that expanse, including the crazy nebula (as they exit hyperspace when they come out of it). That’s an indicator, even if we don’t see the ship make the jump.

It’s not something that bothers me specifically, but it is definitely implied by the nature of every other ship that travels back and forth.

I do think it’s plausible that post ANH that TIE Fighters gained hyperdrives, especially since Vader’s TIE had it. It’s never commented on in canon other than in A New Hope, and we know it’s being developed.

DZ-330 said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NYT-nY7EtXb-FL32fRLnJe7gCNUTe7sD/view?usp=drivesdk

That’s hilarious.

When did he ever age out of that childish hero complex? Seemed to last with him until it nearly drove him to killing his nephew. Never grew up enough to have the wisdom of Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, or Yoda until his 40’s or 50’s.

JEDIT: didn’t see the sarcastic gif, but I’m only teasing with this response anyway.

The Force willed that Palpatine return and that Luke failed in rooting out the evil of the Sith.

It’s focused on, but still doesn’t address that Anakin knew of the Wayfinder he kept at his castle that Luke was searching for…

And as they’re effectively holocrons that communicate and can be felt in the Force, it’s even stranger that Luke didn’t sense the Wayfinder on the Death Star, in addition to Anakin not mentioning the one at his Castle.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJ3g9tSc/

I like the idea of Luke becoming a grumpy hermit. I’m tired of people hating on Johnson for a plot element from Abrams’ script and film. My annoyance is that almost everything people complain about with The Last Jedi is due to how half baked The Force Awakens is, yet they don’t want to blame the responsible party, but rather the man who came in to clean up the mess.

Those earlier comments were all centred around The Last Jedi, but angry at a plot point created in TFA. So, forgive me for being glib.

Also, Luke hadn’t fallen to the Dark Side. His “grumpy” desire for the Jedi to end was in fact him resisting the Dark Side.

As for nearly killing Ben after his arc being complete, people aren’t video games. While his arc was complete then, to assume any character development he would ever undergo happened in the roughly five years that the original trilogy takes place and not at all during the subsequent 30 years is just dumb. People regress all the time, people make mistakes all the time. It’s part of being human. Had Luke just stayed a stoic and perfect hero, as people are pretending The Mandalorian retcons, it would’ve been the most boring film ever, and even far worse than The Rise of Skywalker as it was already delivered to us. Fan service for the sake of fan service is asinine.

So, y’all still complaining about JJ Abrams making Luke abandon everyone he cared about in The Force Awakens? Or are you still blaming the person who had to pick up and tell that story thread rather than the person who came up with it?

Ed Slushie said:

I just had kind of a crazy idea:
What if we use the audio from that deleted scene of Finn confronting Phasma and had him say it earlier - like, when he’s about to be executed? Then the stormtrooper turns around and decapitates Phasma (this wouldn’t need to be shown in too much detail, since the scene is intercut with a lot of other stuff. Maybe just add an animation of the lightning-axe-thing swinging over one of the shots of Phasma turning her head). Then, remove the fight and have Finn and Rose go straight to the shuttle - but while this is happening, repurpose some of the shots from later of stormtroopers running away to make it look like they’re escaping too.
And this is the tricky part - change the conversation between Finn and Jannah in TROS to make it so that she was the executioner.
You could even take it a step further and reinstate the deleted scene of Finn convincing a Stormtrooper to let him go, but edit a black “executioner” stripe onto his helmet, and dub him with a female voice to that it’s also Jannah.

This seems like a cool idea, not sure if it can be pulled off though. Can you mock up a version with how you’d redo the execution scene and the scene where he meets Jannah?

That motivation would be trickier to pull off, but likely possible.

Making Rey Luke’s daughter would be the cleanest and simplest way to go, especially since it’s very nearly spoken in dialogue between Maz and Rey in TFA.

Anyone else and you would need new scenes that didn’t exist.

Gotcha.

I guess the confusion came from Rey and the Wayfinder no longer being what leads people there, but instead D-O. So… why are they going to Pasaana, Kajimi, Kef Bir, etc.

But it’s not established in the edit?

TestingOutTheTest said:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/A-Palpatine-less-Edit-of-The-Rise-of-Skywalker-Released/id/74454/page/1

I read through the overview, it seems unclear what drives the plot. Why are they going from place to place to place to place if not to get to Palpatine?