My head cannon is that ESB is accidentally more accurate than the rest of Star Wars, Nolan’s Interstellar-style. Time might pass differently on the surface of different planets versus space?
Here’s the civilian fleet! There’s still gonna be room for more submissions until I render out the final edit at some point.
Well that’ll be a challenge to subtitle 😮
Nah, you would just put the distinguishable lines and then “comlink chatter”.
I was re-going through my TFA edit, and I’m sure you could use a lot of those cockpit shots above Starkiller Base to help lengthen the despair before the fleet arrives.
That’s a good idea. If Hal’s edit of TFA left out some cockpit shots, they’d probably be perfect to repurpose.
You could likely just re-use them, similar to how Rogue One re-used some shots (and also used some previously unused shots). Changing the context of the shots, getting rid of the Starkiller-specific lines, and doing away with the TFA music should make it feel fresh.
I would have loved if the film had a small Endgame moment with many familiar faces coming back from retirement for the ultimate battle. They wouldn’t even need to be named characters, but showing like, a Mon calamari bridge, or at least close-ups of the ships involved, would have sold the moment better.
Admiral Raddus would be a good Mon Calamari character to add, you could adjust his skin colour to make it look like a different older Mon Calamari.
I was re-going through my TFA edit, and I’m sure you could use a lot of those cockpit shots above Starkiller Base to help lengthen the despair before the fleet arrives.
I’ll include “Kylo searches the Falcon” in my edit, so eventually I’ll be able to share my version of that. Same thing with some of the TLJ scenes, but I’m focusing on TFA for now.
Were you ever able to fix this scene? This and Finn with the Villager are two scenes that I’ve been trying to remove the timecode from with no success.
I dunno if the clones would still be alive. They age at double the rate, making them in their twenties at 10, nearly 30 at the end of the clone wars, and in their late 50’s during Rebels… add another 10 years, they’d be in their 70’s during The Mandalorian, add another 30 years and they’d be around 130 years old during Rise of Skywalker.
Baby Yoda’s age would be roughly eight, if he’s roughly 5 during The Mandalorian, but his face is so underdeveloped that it suggests he’s possibly a younger equivalent age. Either way, his facial features should have developed more over those 30 years, rather than just being a slightly larger creature.
Not trying to tear down the idea, just trying to explain why I disagree. I think it’s a fun concept to add to your edit. I think, if someone were to attempt re-shoot elements to drop in, Hera and Jacen on the Ghost would be pretty cool.
Yeah, it would need to be people aged appropriately… even Baby Yoda would be older with another thirty years. I agree we need more characters we recognise, but it should be clear they’re present in the scene, rather than flashbacks. Without reshoots, I dunno if you can naturally add them in.
Yeah that’s why I don’t really like Snap. Glad to have removed his cheering at the end of TFA. He shouldn’t have been in TROS if you ask me because where was he in TLJ?
(I know there’s a canon answer, but come on.)
Yeah… I’m my cuts i try to limit his and Zorri’s screen time as much as possible. He has a bunch of reaction shots to Leia, those are all gone with how I restructured her sending the “memory” of Han to Kylo.
I agree with restructuring the battle a bit. The “cavalry to the rescue” trope works best when the characters have all been through their darkest hour for a while. In the original movie, Poe goes from mourning Snap to losing all hope to happy again when Lando arrives, all in a span of like, one minute.
That was the only scene with Snap that I liked, haha. So many of the director’s friends had unnecessary cameos.
I think Anthem of Evil was used too sparingly in the film. I only really noticed it after a few watches, definitely needs to be emphasised throughout.
Yeah, that’s one of the examples of “great music” I was talking about. I think re-scoring the entire movie using old music is the wrong approach. Instead we should emphasize the music that’s already there, and bring the score more in line with Williams’s intentions.
Oh, I wasn’t talking about replacing everything with old music… quite the opposite. I think far too much of the score relied on old music for nostalgia rather than new music. Even the soundtrack album has more music in it than the film.
So comparing this to the scene let’s be real we all know TROS was inspired by, look how much time eclipses between the >“we’ve lost” moment to the “everybody’s here!”. There’s this tension that’s slowly building as the heroes gather >together. It’d be so jarring otherwise (as we see in TROS).
https://youtu.be/xp2YlHPAyVI?t=62I was so sure you were gonna link to RotJ! Besides, Endgame wouldn’t have been out when the script for RoS was finalized. The cavalry arriving to the rescue is just a classic trope.
It’s even in Trevorrow’s script.
In fairness, Trevorrow’s script had that being an actual mission the heroes were on. Not vague dialogue with a cameo character who comes back as a deus ex machina, especially one that’s so telegraphed but not earned.
Trevorrow had it being the main characters actually contacting these people and bringing them in. It was part of the main plot and mission.
I think that with so many of those extra ships being ships from the rebellion helps make it less “just people” coming to save the day as opposed to those that hadn’t organised yet. Similar to the concept in the Rebels series and Rogue One that there were small rebel cells before forming an Alliance.
I am someone who isn’t a big fan of the Tatooine scene at the end. Between not having Ben present, to Leia’s only visit to the place was when she was a sex slave to Jabba after failing to rescue Han, to Luke leaving the place with intent to never return, etc.
With Rey choosing the name Skywalker, and that being the moment referenced in the title, I wondered how I might adjust that part. I decided to make it a more active choice as she faced Palpatine, as she rose to face him after the ghosts gave her a pep talk. Here’s my most recent version:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PgWPmFNwS-8gVolohSmydxuRMPrsVBgi/view?usp=sharing
Re-scoring the entire film seems like so much work… even though it’s needed. I know for my cut, that’ll be what I do last.
Finn was way more comedic in TFA. the fact it didn’t go anywhere, again, can only be laid at Abrams’ feet. TLJ is where he became a person beyond those trailer moments. Poe was never even meant to be a main character, TLJ gave him an arc to make him into a character, but Poe surviving the crash in TFA is a big part of why Finn gets sidelined later on: the two characters are too similar.
He has an impact in TLJ. Just because that impact is a failed plan (to disable the hyperspace tracking) does not mean it didn’t have an impact. Had they not gone on that mission, with Poe’s blessing, Holdo’s plan to escape to Crait would’ve worked. The Canto Bight sequence is immensely relevant to the story.
Which is? Stormtrooper uprising?
I think they’re referring to Duel of Fates rather than Rise of Skywalker. Or they’re referring to the pre-Trevorrow outline that Johnson wrote. Or both. Basically, there was a great starting point for the character to have an arc in the third film, and instead Abrams made him little more than a shared sidekick.
Then we have the new characters introduced in 2 and 3. Did most audiences really care about Holdo, Rose, the literally unnamed DJ, Jannah, or Zorri? Snoke had potential but that was cut off before anything could grow.
The difference is in TLJ the secondary characters move the character arcs along, whereas in TRoS they’re just kinda there.
In the end, there was no real arc for Finn, so that renders most of TLJ’s characters kinda there. Canto Bight, DJ, Rose…if Finn HAD died in TLJ, it would’ve been at least some form of resolution. The fakeout is basically the end of his character path in the sequels and it’s pretty weak.
Finn had a clear arc in The Last Jedi, and the clever thing was it was inverted from Rose’s even though the same experiences teach them the lessons. Rose and Poe’s arcs are to go from an “at all costs” approach, ready to sacrifice everything, to understanding that sometimes doing whatever it takes isn’t the same thing as doing it at all costs. Finn’s arc goes from a man without a cause, driven by fear, to becoming someone that understands there are things worth fighting for, even being ready to sacrifice himself. A lot of people say his arc is ruined since he doesn’t sacrifice himself, but that’s not true since he was actually ready to sacrifice himself. He was still making that choice.
As the boy pulls the broom to him and begins sweeping, a voice crackles into a distant speaker. It is Poe, saying ‘We are not alone. What our mothers and fathers have fought for we will not let die. Today we make our last stand…for the galaxy!’ Many ships jump into hyperspace here, not just one.
Goosebumps.
Edit: Since Crait is now the opening of the film do you plan on including palpatines broadcast in there in some capacity? After the galaxie’s decline to help, hearing the broadcast could be what sets up the rallying of the people’s Fleet at the end of the film.
I integrated the Broadcast into the Crait sequence here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tUe4Nz4dKptm5UzcBu2QhX9N9FuaISoa/view?usp=sharingIt still may not be useful, but its definitely possible to integrate.
This is pretty cool, but I think another possible area to integrate it is when the resistance has already fled the base and Kylo is staring at the disappearing dice. The camera lingers on the radio equipment inside the makeshift base. You could have the broadcast play here at the end of TLJ and have TROS pick up with Kylo obsessed with finding Palpatine or the origin of the broadcast at the least.
I had added Kylo travelling to Exegol to Force Awakens (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rARUzDyLV0hM6eQX4m5U7MkG7AEWxRmU/view?usp=sharing), and established Kylo and Palpatine’s telepathic communication as the dice disappeared (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s-thAiSISTEYqjn0oiyRuoWgdiBScyZ-/view?usp=sharing).
I wanted the broadcast to happen before Luke appeared, because then you have both of Kylo’s masters coming back at once. Kylo seems to be seeking autonomy throughout the franchise, from his father in TFA, from his mother and masters Snoke and Luke in TLJ, and from Palpatine in TROS. By making Snoke and Palpatine one in the same sooner, Kylo offering his hand to Rey takes an extra meaning, and after that fails both of his masters confront him again. That’s all a bunch of stuff for my edit, but that’s why I placed it where I did.
Also if there is a way to insert that the resistance believes there is a FO spy onboard then I think it would lend more credibility to Poe/Holdo’s cat and mouse game with each other. Plus it would also pay off one film later when Hux is revealed to be a resistance spy in TROS kind of lending credence to their suspicions of a FO spy in this alter version of TLJ.
I always assumed that it was obvious they thought there could be a spy. Hyperspace tracking is set up as being so impossible, and of course Poe was a suspect with the new Admiral… He just destroyed the bombing fleet and most of the other pilots died in the attack of the ships. Since it seems to be so unclear, I think I might add some Rise of Skywalker dialogue into The Last Jedi as background murmuring either in the scene on the bridge when the First Order catches up to them, or just before Holdo is introduced.
JEDIT:
Maybe something like this? It’s tough, as it seems Rey is the only one that asks about a spy. I tried to modulate her voice a little… but I’m not sure if it works. It’s still subtle, but might help plant the idea.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11n00KDCqIMSldbSeTka8h3jr1jVMhnwh/view?usp=sharing
Everyone forgets how much Empire Strikes Back was hated when it came out for that twist we all find iconic now. They complained it went against everything we knew in Star Wars… similar to how people reacted to the Last Jedi.
Last Jedi is the film that adheres closest time the original concept for the sequel trilogy. Abrams’ films just mishmash and reuse ideas from the original trilogy.
As for new characters that were introduced in Rise of Skywalker, the two most prominent were both added to the script for the same reason: to shout “No homo”. Zorri doesn’t serve the plot, and is only there to be a romantic interest from Poe’s past. Jannah is meant to be a romantic interest to replace Rey (for the sake of Reylo shippers) and Rose. And there was no way we could allow Poe and Finn to have a romantic connection despite their chemistry, fans, and even actors’ desire… but it’s good to know there’s a line JJ won’t cross for fan service.
^^THIS^^
There’s plenty of world building. Every scene adds a new element to the lore. It’s suffocating. Whether they explain how those elements make sense or not doesn’t matter.
I mean, if that’s the threshold, then every film has plenty of world building.
World building is overrated. It’s one of the many things that killed TROS.
What world building was in Rise of Skywalker? Or do you mean in The Rise of Skywalker novelisation?
I’ll try that. Since the first shot of the transition can be as long as it needs to be, there’s less of a need to follow the original wipe closely to minimize loss.
Yeah, I cut down the intro to Rey in my version a tiny bit to fit. I don’t even think I included a wipe at all, just cut from the nearly all black to a frame where the dark green of the leaf takes over the whole picture before that dolly in toward Rey.