JakeRyan17

Hoop28 said:

axlanian said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I moved all of this victory montage after the Resistance victory scene on Ajan Kloss. That way it can be The Resistance and their new fleet aiding in taking down the First/Final Order.

Hal, are you gonna do this? It makes more sense than “suddenly, unpopulated Jakku took down a Star Destroyer”

I feel it doesn’t flow as well if you move it after the Ajan Kloss celebration, especially given the musical cues and Finn’s line of “people are rising up all over the galaxy”.

I changed the music around a little bit anyway, and cut Finn’s line (also cut him seeing Rey leave, because that’s just odd to me with the way they react when they meet at the celebration).

Just a thought though.

Knight of Kalee said:

TK-422 said:

Unrelated, but do you think it would work to move the scene from TROS where Palpatine’s speaks with General Pryde into TLJ? To make it work you would have to sprinkle in some small mention of him earlier in the film, whether it’s from Snoke, Kylo, or whoever. “Pride” is a fairly common word, so I don’t think it would be impossible to find a clip of Andy Serkis or Adam Driver saying that. This is also operating under the assumption you’re using something like Poppasketti’s ending, with Palpatine speaking to Kylo. This scene with Pryde would happen right after Kylo hears Palpatine’s voice on Crait. The Emperor’s mouth is covered by his cloak and the hologram blur in this scene, so you could add in other lines from Palpatine to replace the existing ones without worrying about his lip movements. I haven’t tested this out, so maybe it’s just not worth the effort, but I think it could do a few things. 1) You establish Pryde and Palpatine early, so the films feel a bit more cohesive. 2) It adds a bit of characterization to Pryde and the First Order at large, showing how chaotic it is after Snoke’s death. Pryde is working directly for Palpatine, Kylo is off doing his own thing, and Hux is trying to sabotage him. Making this scene our introduction to Pryde recontextualizes a lot of what he does in TROS.

Anyway, it’s just an idea. Like I said, it might be too much work for something that may not add a lot, but I think it would make the characterization of both him and Palpatine more interesting and bridge the gap between both films.

I don’t know how plausible that idea is but it kind of makes me wish Pryde had an overarching presence across the three films, or merge Hux and Pryde’s roles as a more competent right hand man for Kylo.

Pryde’s disdain for Hux comes from his failure at Starkiller Base, so I can’t see Pryde having a presence in TFA.

Finding a way to put the “board room” scene into TLJ somehow, would help establish their relationships… but you’d have to move Kylo discovering Exegol into TLJ (I put it at the end of TFA to replace Rey travelling to Ahch-To). Maybe you could cut the start of the scene about the spy from TRoS, and add the rest of the scene before the Battle of Crait. This gives the Resistance time to kinda regroup and attempt to send out their signal across the galaxy. Maybe Kylo’s helmet being reforged could be between Luke interrupting Kylo & Rey touching hands on Ahch-To and Rey arriving to see him unmasked. Or it could be right before the board room scene.

TLJ is already insanely long, so I don’t know if that would work.

HyperDown said:

Forgive my terrible memory, but why are all these Star Destroyers exploding over random planets? (I only saw TROS once, so I might be forgetting something).

There’s a line about people rising up all across the Galaxy I believe? But the real reason is convenience.

I moved all of this victory montage after the Resistance victory scene on Ajan Kloss. That way it can be The Resistance and their new fleet aiding in taking down the First/Final Order.

TK42-WAN said:

I think the sabre hidden in the rocks should be Ben’s. The one we see in the flashback in TLJ. It could be easily implied that he abandoned his sabre after destroying the temple, and Luke found it and hid it the walls of his hut. Metaphorically, Rey repairing Luke’s mistake. Also, it’s as if the force is aware that Ben has turned and his calling for his sabre to be returned to him.

The tricky think is Ben uses Anakin’s saber throughout the third act, while Rey uses Leia’s. It would take a lot of work to swap out the hilts for every shot.

dgraham414 said:

bbghost said:

dgraham414 said:

Sorry for the quick small posts but should the shot change from Coruscant to Naboo right on the swell of the music? I don’t know if that type of editing works for a film, my only experience is Music Videos

JEDIT: Or a beat after where it comes in would work too

The purpose of the shot’s inclusion in the first place was to not have to mangle the music edit due to moving the Endor shot earlier in the film, I’m not sure there’s a way to make that work smoothly.

You wouldn’t adjust the audio at all, just shortening or lengthening different shots, leaving the audio alone.

I think they have limited shot lengths anyway, as even these created shots are based on existing footage.

dgraham414 said:

It’s already been said, being the third person to tell people to get back on topic isn’t helpful.

Brewzter said:

I get that Luke and Rey used it for extended periods of time, I just think it’s strange to call it their’s when Anakin also used it and built it. If all three used it, why wouldn’t the named ownership go to the one who built it and first used it? This makes even more sense given that Luke and Rey both built their own sabers.

Especially when the color of the blade comes from the crystal harmonising with the person building the saber.

Icecream2448 said:

Does it really make that much of a difference if it was 3 or 5 years, people? Why is this message board getting bogged down with so many off-topic discussions?

Because people make thematic points and their opinion gets attacked despite validity.

This started by asking about re-focusing the ownership of the lightsaber as Anakin’s/Leia’s Father’s. This would reinforce the fact that Anakin made the saber, as well as Kylo’s obsession with it. Kylo also reclaims the lightsaber after he follow’s Anakin’s path away from the Dark Side.

All of that was contradicted with “Luke had it for two movies so it’s more his!” Then I gave a rebuttal of looking at instead of live action film screen time, in-universe character time. People attacked that too.

But this started as something on-topic.

It would be a dumb claim and easy to disprove if I was lying. I don’t know how you want me to prove it. I don’t even know how to embed photos on a post here anyway, and I’d have to be careful what photo I posted anyway.

jarbear said:

Disney Star Wars canon can be described as Swiss cheese.

The old EU/Legends was far worse… I think everyone at Lucasfilm treats the rules of canon similar to before the Disney buyout: if it happened in the films or Lucasfilm TV, that is priority over publishing, etc.

StarkillerAG said:

Well, this is… unexpected. I really hope you’re telling the truth.

Even if you are, I think the personal decisions of people working on the Clone Wars show is different than what the canon has been saying for years. Even after the show was aired, all canon sources still said it was 3 years.

Canon sources said Ahsoka buried green lightsabers and that Rex, Gregor, and Wolffe all had their chips removed together.

Which canon sources trump which when they contradict each other? Ahsoka can’t age from when she’s introduced to where she ends up in three years. The final season alone takes place over the course of six months, Ahsoka’s walkabout taking place first, followed by The Bad Batch arc, followed by the Siege of Mandalore.

I work at Lucasfilm Animation on The Bad Batch, all of my coworkers worked on The Clone Wars’ original run and I helped with some final delivery and archiving of the final season.

But feel free to believe Wookipedia over the people making those decisions.

Tobar said:

JakeRyan17 said:

If you instead wanna go by years, Anakin had that saber throughout the five years of The Clone Wars, Luke had it about 2-3 years, and Rey had it for a single year. With that, then we have Anakin building it and using it for longer than Luke and Rey combined, and Luke building and using a different saber for 25-30 years.

The Clone Wars were only 3 years though.

Anyway, I can see the logic behind the edit idea, it just doesn’t seem necessary.

It was five years. When the movies were first coming out, they said it was two years in old EU materials. But as The Clone Wars series was being developed, that team decided that overall it would take place over the course of five years (mainly allowing for Ahsoka’s development and growth).

Tobar said:

Brewzter said:

Has it been considered to change all of the dialogue about Anakin’s saber to reflect that it’s his? For example, Maz’s line in TFA is fine: “That lightsaber belonged to Luke, and his father before him” but there are lines in TROS that call it Luke’s when it’s, well, not. Luke built his own. For example, when Rey tells Leia “I will earn your brother’s saber” could brother somehow be replaced with father?

Luke owned it for two films while Anakin only had it for one. It was definitely Luke’s just as it was Anakin’s before that.

I think it’s more that even when Luke used it, he treated it as his father’s lightsaber. Just as you’re making the connection that Luke used it for two films, Rey used it for three. If you instead wanna go by years, Anakin had that saber throughout the five years of The Clone Wars, Luke had it about 2-3 years, and Rey had it for a single year. With that, then we have Anakin building it and using it for longer than Luke and Rey combined, and Luke building and using a different saber for 25-30 years.

With all of that, I understand re-emphasising the lightsaber as Anakin’s rather than Luke’s, especially with Kylo’s desire to obtain it as part of his devotion to Darth Vader (as it was Vader’s first lightsaber as well).

As many others have mentioned, I would love access to these. I’m always worried about scratching the double-sided DVD… a paranoia from childhood that never went away, and the unavailability of the discs now makes me extra cautious.

Where could one find the 4K upscales? I’ve been making due with my interlaced iTunes copies from back when the series was available there. 😅

NeverarGreat said:

But if that were the case, it would disconnect from our POV as Finn since he appears to believe that Poe went down with the ship.

The other films and the third act elevate Poe to a POV character anyway, so following him earlier in the movie isn’t a big deal.

You could potentially rework scenes from the Resistance base on D’Qar, including the deleted scene where someone asks “any word from Poe”, and you could engineer a new reply of “we found him” or something.

How many replies saying it should be in another thread before it’s okay to tell those people to get back on topic?

Brewzter said:

I agree that’s a message to take away from TLJ, but there’s something to be said about honoring the past too.

I feel like it does honour the past, but it focuses on the past’s ideas and flaws rather than just reusing props and plot ideas. Again, look at how Yoda was used, and the overall message of the movie. It was never disrespectful. Look how it treated Luke, imagine how disrespectful to the character to pretend that he just paused for 30 years with zero growth— especially with Abrams making him a macguffin, where he has let this new empire rise and Han die. If he was as we remembered him, that plot point should never have happened.

The message of The Last Jedi is stated most clearly by Yoda:

“We are what they grow beyond.”

It’s about letting go of the past, but it shows that there’s a heathy and an unhealthy way to do that. Luke and Kylo do it by destroying the past that they’re unable to be rid of. Poe, Rose, and Rey learn to release it, grow from it, and protect others from making their mistakes.

I didn’t want her building it, I just wanted it to appear, like Luke’s appeared.

As for treating it like a joke, I don’t feel that’s as out of left field as is being suggested. It’s being tossed to show that it’s not a holy object, and given where Luke is at spiritually makes the most sense for his character to do. Calling it a laser sword is quoting the original trilogy, and again echos the dismissiveness that fits Luke’s character. As for porgs playing with it, that’s no more silly that Luke about to stab himself in the face in A New Hope or Anakin’s previous lightsaber being chopped in half and Anakin treating the moment like his parent is gonna ground him for getting a bad grade on homework.

jarbear said:

Thought those are fine reasons and whatnot, I don’t mean to derail the conversation since it’s more on the “Man, what the heck Disney” with the sequel movies.

But still, even before all of this with the lightsaber stuff, it is still a bit silly.

Anakin went through many lightsabers. Luke lost the “skywalker” saber. Some how the saber returns (don’t get me started on the comic) and calls out to someone. And at the end? Rey buries it.

Sorry I really don’t mean to derail things, things have just been handled so … ugh.

That’s why I liked Luke throwing it away at the start of The Last Jedi, it was tossing away the silly reverence of that particular blade being special. Then it also destroyed the lightsaber (setting up Rey to start Episode IX with her own saber she built, similar to Luke at the beginning of Return of the Jedi).

But we needed more ‘member berries…

omnimuffin said:

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

To address an idea from Dom’s thread: I will more than likely end up releasing the regular (Rey Palpatine) version before a Rey Nobody version. In case there’s some huge issue that gets glossed over, I’d rather just fix one than two!

That makes sense … things always come up.

I was thinking about things … well, mainly how Disney screwed the pooch with Star wars sequel trilogy, that the whole “Skywalker Family Saber” arc is quite silly-er. Especially with Rey being a palpatine, the scene in TFA makes even less sense … why would the saber call out to a palpatine?

Anyway, nothing to do with this edit specifically … just how … disconnected these movies are and add things that just don’t makes sense.

Sigh.

Because it’s an artifact with a lengthy history of being used by powerful force users and a living, force-sensitive crystal inside it, and that’s the sort of thing that calls out to force users, especially ones with an important destiny?

Yeah, that’s how I explained it away. The Crystal is alive and even more attuned to the Force and the micro-biotic Whills and their will… or whatever.

“Sacrificed” himself.

Hal 9000 said:

Only if there’s a LUT for it, but it may introduce unintended effects to shift so radically.

I also intend to apply the main LUT at something like 66% in order to benefit from it overall and hopefully avoid some of its more extreme effects.

It will be difficult to have a LUT without keying out the lightsabers and force lightning, as those are also blue.

Unless you guys are only referring to exterior scenes.