Jaitea

Bingowings said:

Imrahil said:

Bingowings said:

Or better still make films based on the Foundation series and forget about Star Wars altogether.

Oh Disney didn't buy those rights.

So if it doesn't have Padme featured, it won't be Star Wars? Good to know.

Welcome to HYPER-BOWLS.

Of course you could make a film in the Star Wars universe without Padme or any reference to the PT, or the OT for that matter.

I'm merely pointing out that having a maternal trilogy (in the same sense that the OT is a paternal trilogy) is a possibility and one that need not be rubbish.

That characters that aren't good in the PT need not remain that way in a ST.

I also don't think that ignoring the continuity of the first three episodes of a series currently only twice that length is necessary or necessarily desirable as despite my dislike of the PT they are for some as much Star Wars films as the two I really like and the one I like bits of.

I find the resolution of ROTJ actually rather sexist as it stands.

Luke spends a whole trilogy obsessed with his father and mentions his mother in one line (the response to which is rendered bizarro by the PT) an SE would be an ideal way to redress the gender balance a little.

With Leia and Padme being the main representatives of the older generation and Luke and Han being the respectable secondary representatives.

The main weight of the story should be a new generation of characters whatever direction the writers go in but keeping a trail of breadcrumbs through the saga makes it a saga rather than a lose selection of special effects films.

If there is a sharp disconnect to appeal to one group it will be as divisive as what George did with the SE and the PT.

I would also like to see the Foundation books turned into films.

I hear what you are saying but this is a chance for fresh new ideas, the start of perhaps a new trilogy which could get Star Wars its credibility back.

The twist in the OT was that in the second act Luke discovers that the man who he had been told murdered his father was in fact his father, in the third act he became obsessed by his father, not the whole trilogy.

Unless the writers come up with some really fantastic twist involving Padme & Leia, your suggestion of connecting the PT to the ST by making them the 'Maternal Trilogy' does not sound like a successful way to make movies.

If Disney get this right (which I do think they will) they will shift into a higher gear and leave the Prequel stories a distant memory

J

Bingowings said:

How many people have a Rubiks cube in the shape of Satan?

The thing is Mauel was a very distinctive look, he did look cool...that shot of him standing behind Palpatine in hologram was menacing. The fact that he wore no armour, his mask was just face-paint meaning that Ray Park could optimise his martial arts ability that made Vader look like a zombie.

Faster more intense....but he was killed off

If he had been kept as the main Sith assassin throughout the movies....he would have maybe made it into the top 100.

J

Is there not an off topic thread?

J

Well Spotted, I was Testing you with my capital I's

J

Na, doesn't excite me, sounds a bit Suzannah York Superman III, andwe don't need to constantly explain things,....thats been done too much in SW recently.....time to move on

In regard to the Clone troops, I think because they have accelerated growth they burn out quickly...(The candle that burns twice as bright....etc, etc)

If the Empire was still using them at the time of Luke & Leia (which I don't think they were) they would all have died out by the ST.

Throw the PT out the airlock

J

Bingowings said:

Character design and brand recognition sadly isn't the same thing as character and story.

Exactly,...it is a pity that the character design for Jir-Jir & Darth Meul are very good, but sadly their brand recognition doesn't hold with the public and their characteristics and story is forgettable.

Nat Portman is a beautiful woman, she has shown that she can act (well before she appeared in any Star Wars movie and since) but her character was written poorly, she was there to explain the parentage of the Skywalker Twins.

She showed potential in AOTC, but disappeared into the CG background in ROTS

Its a shame you have this mindset, using the ST to connect to the weakest strand of the PT just to try and elevate the PT..........!

Cut that strand and use the strong elements of the OT = Success

J

They are recognisable.....but they don't register as memorable or iconic, I honestly think Disney will have the sense to ignore the goings on of the PT, Ok perhaps a nod of a cameo, a broken down Battle Droid, a beat up Naboo Fighter etc, just to acknowledge the existence of the PT....but to try and integrate characters, especially characters that were lame like Padme, would ruin the potential creating movies that would blow our socks off.

J

Not so sick now...ehm?

J

Bingowings said:

I think you underestimate the powers of the Gungan.

Darth Maul is probably as recognisably Star Warsian as Boba Fett or Jabba.

We are old and jaded, we forget the impact TPM had in the day.

Yes indeed, it was popular in '99, but the Characters from the Classic films are built with good foundations, unlike the Prequel sandcastles on the beach.

Did you ever see the BBC's 'The Long Way Down' in which Ewan McGregor & Charley Boorman travelled from John o'Groats to Cape town in 2007?

On the way they stopped at the Lars Homestead filming location used in Star Wars, the place was full of tourists and no-one recognised him, he was even wearing a T-Shirt with MCGREGOR on the back of it, the place was full of Star Wars posters....and one magazine cover sized pic of AOTC...with Ewans face on it.

He said he thought he'd be mobbed.....

Hopefully Michael Arndt & the writing team can leave the Prequel mistakes to dissolve and be forgotten, and build on the strong points of the Classic Films

Check out Empire Magazine's top 100 movie characters,...Darth Maul isn't thought about along with his Prequel friends:

http://www.empireonline.com/100-greatest-movie-characters/default.asp?c=2

J

Bingowings said:

So you are saying if the multi-award winning actress Miss I Can't Believe It's Not Keira Knightly was headlined to feature in a Star Wars film without George's paws on it you wouldn't see it?

Not out even out of morbid curiosity?

Not even if her role and Carrie's tied into an interesting new character?

Doesn't sound like a Star Wars blockbuster to me, maybe a Star Wars version of Mamma Mia,....I'm looking forward to a film were all hell breaks loose, and a movie that throws you into another galaxy on a roller coaster ride that you would line up to see again and again, the film you are painting sounds like an episode of Desperate Housewives.

J

BmB said:

I'm sorry is this OT.com?

I can't believe what I'm reading.

JP3 is to JP and TLW as TPM is to SW and ESB

Yes, you are right this is the OT.com

J

So lets build on the weak parts (to try & repair the Prequels).....that's the ticket for success.

Easterhay said: There are some fans who want to rewrite reality in the way that Lucas is accused of doing - ergo, "when people think of Star Wars they think of the OT".  Maybe some people, but by no means all.

Recently in the UK a leading electrical retailer (PC WORLD & Currys) spent a fortune on advertising, all their ads used OT characters (Vader's Shuttle landing in the customer car park, Chewie with a hair dryer etc), even though EP1-3D was due in cinemas.....the OT in peoples mind is Star Wars, & it sells.....it is the premium.....

J

The dad story worked because the Villain......probably the most iconic bad guy of that time (& even now) turned out to be the protagonist's Father.

What possible draw could be built into a story about Padme in the new films

It just doesn't compare, If I heard this was the plot line, I definitely would think they had f**ked up again

J

Bingowings said:

We have had the dad side so why not the mum side?

Because no-one would want to see it

J

The main one (which Spielberg admits annoys him for cutting the scene out) is how did the crew of the ship die & where are the killers.

I remember the internet went crazy about that one.

After I first saw it I remember driving home asking my mates did I nod off at any part of the film

J

I really hope that the writers can see that when people think of 'Star Wars' they think of the classic films, not the disposable trilogy, and build on the success of that, not on the recent mistakes

J

I actually prefer JP3 to TLW, the massive hole in the story of TLW has ruined the film for me. I think Johnson is a fine director.

J

Bingowings said:

Or my Uncle Bob's.

Did a google search for your Uncle Bob, couldn't find any good pics

J

Bingowings said:

If the films need to pick up one thing from the PT it's Padme.

Luke has had his relationship with his father dragged out over three films.

The character of Padme kind of rolled into the dirt in ROTS.

Wouldn't Luke want to know more about her?

Wouldn't Leia become closer to her fragmented memories of her now that the Empire is gone?

If the OT was about absent fathers I think this one should be about absent mothers.

Both are mythical tropes and it would be interesting to explore the Star Wars universe from a more female perspective.

That would be crap......Star Wars the chick Trilogy

Bingo are you going to see the new Twilight movie?

J

Sluggo said:

...........Lastly, and this is the most exciting possibility for me (although it is a minute one) is the idea of rebooting the prequel trilogy.  C'mon Disney, take a page from your other adopted son Marvel.  Hulk, remember that?  Of course you don't.  Nobody does.  It was rebooted before Banner had a chance to go buy purple stretchy pants.  Spiderman?  Yup, same thing.  Do the right thing, Disney.  Reboot the prequels to actually match the classic trilogy and to give this sequel trilogy some roots.

Yeah THAT would be amazing, .....but would be a long way off.....sigh

It's just a pity they didn't just make sequels instead of those awful Prequel films

J

Yeah, I agree with Harmy, I think Lucas consciously tried to move his style away from the OT to try and break boundaries, he could continue this decision and make the new films even more different....leaving the OT more isolated

J

RATLSNAKE said:

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Sources say that restored prints of the OUT are in the works, so a bluray release is a shure thing IMO. And I personally hope the Disney restored prints are what the 3D versions are going to be from and not from the ones on the current bluray.

I won't believe this until I see them on the shelves. Not even a press release is enough, as then there is still room for a decision chance to occur and it not happen. Call me pessimistic but after so long this is where I'm at. Until I can buy it, and I watch and I see it is what we have wanted for SO long, I won't believe it. No matter how many rumours or from where.

Especially as George will still have a hand in LucasFilm as an advisor, I can't see Disney saying "we're giving the fans what you wouldn't" and him just kicking back not caring. Otherwise what was the point of the last 15 years?

If they are still going ahead with the 3D releases, it would be believable that the Original prints were being rescanned and the SE elements are likely being re-tooled, so hopefully with the 3D Blu-ray release of the film we get the new scan of the OUT......please

J

Yeah, I'm looking forward to returning to a battered & used universe

J

Oldfan said:

Jaitea said:

I dont think he hates the fans who desire to have the Original's back, it's the fact that if the Original films were to be re-scanned at the quality that restorers use now usually 4K (Recently Raiders of the Lost Ark) or 8K (Wizard of Oz), they would be incredibly superior to the scans that he made in the 90's that he has been using right up to now for the BD release, which were roughly 2K.

All the CG additions from the 97SE, the 2004DVD & the Horrific BD versions were all tooled at 2K to suit the canvas they were working on.....all this work would be very hard to reintegrate into a higher scan....it would mean starting again.

If it was me.....I'd probably do the same.....right I'm out of here,....Disney, good luck with that!

J

 

Just the money spent on the latest bunch of digital changes for blu-ray probably could have covered a good part of a proper and full restoration of the original untouched films. Many have stepped up to bat to offer their professional services. Certainly with the money they have spent since the SE first hit they could have surely done a proper new restoration. And since we are really only interested in the original untouched version, he wouldn't have to re-create all the SE CGI effects again, like what Start Trek: The Motion Picture is facing.

 

 

Yes but he wants his SE version to be the preferred version, he couldn't release a higher quality unaltered version, that would make his true vision of the movie redundant......I would say if there were plans to rescan the films again and release them unaltered he would want to redo the SE's first and give us the unaltered as a bonus disc. Thats his real reason for not giving us the originals.

Now with his grip loosening......who knows

J

I dont think he hates the fans who desire to have the Original's back, it's the fact that if the Original films were to be re-scanned at the quality that restorers use now usually 4K (Recently Raiders of the Lost Ark) or 8K (Wizard of Oz), they would be incredibly superior to the scans that he made in the 90's that he has been using right up to now for the BD release, which were roughly 2K.

All the CG additions from the 97SE, the 2004DVD & the Horrific BD versions were all tooled at 2K to suit the canvas they were working on.....all this work would be very hard to reintegrate into a higher scan....it would mean starting again.

If it was me.....I'd probably do the same.....right I'm out of here,....Disney, good luck with that!

J